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That's it I'm calling Chairman Bob You've brought this upon yourselves
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Kobayashi posted:I don’t understand anything that’s being discussed right now. There are many teams in DSA and they spend a lot of time calling each other liberals or Trots with varying degrees of malice and accuracy.
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Kobayashi posted:I don’t understand anything that’s being discussed right now. This thread is the extremely online caucus they all claim to hate
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Kobayashi posted:I don’t understand anything that’s being discussed right now. democratic centralism is the idea that everyone in an organization should debate and then vote on positions/tactics/etc. and then once something receives a majority of the votes, all members of the organization stand united in support of that even those that were opposed in the debate prior to the vote. this is how most communist parties operate as well as SAlt. DSA is not democratic centralist, and the national bylaws call for people that are members of organizations that are democratic centralist to be expelled, though this isn't enforced right now. entryism is something that a lot of old trotskyist (mostly) orgs would do, which is have a bunch of members join another organization that was close to their beliefs and then through being a united group within the other org, would take it over. this usually would result in a lot of people in the organization being unhappy and they would leave, but not all would so the trotskyists would have gained members by doing this.
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Kobayashi posted:I don’t understand anything that’s being discussed right now. 
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Ace of Baes posted:The difference between the DSA and most trotskyist orgs is 54,988 people. i know 3 people in PSL, thats it
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Feb 15, 2019 07:33
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Kobayashi posted:I don’t understand anything that’s being discussed right now. Just quote some random person and call them a loving liberal, you loving liberal
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Feb 15, 2019 07:40
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what the loving liberal said
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Feb 15, 2019 07:47
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unbutthurtable posted:what the loving liberal said shut up, cop
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Lightning Knight posted:There are many teams in DSA and they spend a lot of time calling each other liberals or Trots with varying degrees of malice and accuracy. Yeah it's lame as hell and feels more like a lovely battle royale than a overthrowing the American nightmare establishment
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Feb 15, 2019 09:08
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dsa being the largest trot org would explain the newspaper
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Feb 15, 2019 11:26
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Kobayashi posted:I don’t understand anything that’s being discussed right now. it seems dumb op
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quote:It is an exciting time for climate action in San Antonio. With the SA Climate Ready plan currently open for public comment, there are many online and in-person opportunities for engagement and input. Check out how to get involved below! This is an email from the climate group San Antonio DSA is working with, by a DSA member. We’re working to pressure the SA government to close both coal power plants by 2025 (currently there are plans to close one but not the other) and shoot for carbon neutrality by 2035. The government’s plan calls for carbon neutrality by 2050. Separately, there are plans in the works to call for more public transportation. If you are someone who is experienced with public transportation advocacy or design and wants to be involved in the San Antonio area, or are willing to travel/telecommute, shoot me a PM and I’ll send you her business card.
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Feb 15, 2019 15:53
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freckle posted:shut up, cop ilu2
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Feb 15, 2019 16:57
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https://twitter.com/HardlyKnowEm/status/1096456874159947776
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taqueso posted:it means chill spam for a reason CSPAM is the cool place to hang out. You can find most of the cool people there. In CSPAM you can just chill and do whatever and totally relax. "Bernie would've won" is the CSPAM motto, for example, that's how laid back it is there. Show up if you want to have a good time. Another good reason to show up is if you want to hang out with friends.
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Feb 15, 2019 19:26
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the left of the possible left of the possible
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Lightning Knight posted:This is an email from the climate group San Antonio DSA is working with, by a DSA member. We’re working to pressure the SA government to close both coal power plants by 2025 (currently there are plans to close one but not the other) and shoot for carbon neutrality by 2035. The government’s plan calls for carbon neutrality by 2050. Separately, there are plans in the works to call for more public transportation. Tell your friend to answer my email! R. Guyovich posted:yep. plus the tactics are straight out of that playbook. it's not some big mystery why springmentum people are attempting to force a split. Suddenly the whole Socialist Majority (Bolshevik) caucus forming becomes even more funny.
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Feb 15, 2019 21:38
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Apparently Bolsonaro is coming to the US in march. Is this on DC DSA's radar? https://finance.yahoo.com/news/brazils-bolsonaro-visit-us-next-month-foreign-minister-025158656.html
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The Dipshit posted:Tell your friend to answer my email! I’ll give her a phone call when I get home from work today.
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Ruzihm posted:Apparently Bolsonaro is coming to the US in march. yes
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cool just making sure 
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Siljmonster posted:Danny Fetonte Dadbod Fettuccini
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Any goons here with Albany/Capital District DSA (I'm still pretty far back in the thread)? I've been wanting to go since moving back to NY but they always have their meetings across the street from the loving police station in Pine Hills and it weirds me out
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They're just making it easy to get back to work after the meeting
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lol DSA is an infinite ouroboros of people calling each other liberals while being liberals.
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Feb 17, 2019 20:21
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Due to the white kkkracka social fascists in the DSA, the southwestern North Dakota chapter of the Democratic socialists of America will be transitioning to the Third-worldist Socialists of America, or TSA
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Ace of Baes posted:Due to the white kkkracka social fascists in the DSA, the southwestern North Dakota chapter of the Democratic socialists of America will be transitioning to the Third-worldist Socialists of America, or TSA https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hUBAx8jbYNs edit: this isn’t the section I was looking for but it’s also very funny and I’ve never seen it before lmao.
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They've fixed it. It's now that photo of Lenin where he's copying the gritty pose. I wish them the best of luck in their glorious future of posting on twitter about fake socialist friends and stealing bullhorns.
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sometimes i think the dsa is the greatest roadblock to building socialism in america lol. seriously if you're middle class just go home. donate money or something but as a proletarian myself i just dont trust you out of hand. and we can always tell. even your lovely yard work clothes look too nice and well-kept to be one of us
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Oh and realchat good news; it's very likely at the next convention there'll be a change to the dues structure. Since folks realize that structure made sense for a small national org with no funds and frankly no growth or real local chapters, and even the 20% structure for sharing doesn't mean much for growing since a small chapter (that needs funding the most) wouldn't see the 20% be actual usable funds. Also at our regional meeting the cool kids in small chapters started organizing a smaller chapter caucus.
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Larry Parrish posted:sometimes i think the dsa is the greatest roadblock to building socialism in america lol. seriously if you're middle class just go home. donate money or something but as a proletarian myself i just dont trust you out of hand. and we can always tell. even your lovely yard work clothes look too nice and well-kept to be one of us  I’m sorry I try, I try to just sit and listen when I go to meetings.
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Larry Parrish posted:sometimes i think the dsa is the greatest roadblock to building socialism in america lol. seriously if you're middle class just go home. donate money or something but as a proletarian myself i just dont trust you out of hand. and we can always tell. even your lovely yard work clothes look too nice and well-kept to be one of us we just need middle/upper class people in DSA to realize they should be doing identity politics on themselves, only for class, if you have money/resources you should be doing grunt work and using all your free time/resources to set up and do work, not to try to dictate from on high because you obviously don't know the priorities or needs of the working class as well as they do themselves Edit: this isn't even a factional/sectarian thing because every ideological faction in the dsa is guilty of this
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I think it's pretty important to get even the workers who are relatively comfortable on our side and realizing they have more in common with us than the rentseekers and parasites. The US is such a capitalist hellscape your family can have a 6 figure household income and you're still 1 medical emergency away from losing everything. But yeah it's also always going to be a weird balancing act, since the more well off are going to usually have the time to organize and assume leadership positions (and the free time to better cultivate that skillset). But we really need to be advocating for and listening to the workers with less and lifting them up. Like a really good addition to our SC had to step down a few months ago because they had family obligations a wealthier member of the committee wouldn't have had. I'm encouraged by folks acknowledging that things like the 2 week notice for the regional meeting was exactly the sort of thing that discourages and excludes those with less means even if we're putting together travel and childcare fundraising. Coolness Averted has issued a correction as of 20:46 on Feb 17, 2019 |
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Ace of Baes posted:we just need middle/upper class people in DSA to realize they should be doing identity politics on themselves, only for class, if you have money/resources you should be doing grunt work and using all your free time/resources to set up and do work, not to try to dictate from on high because you obviously don't know the priorities or needs of the working class as well as they do themselves thats what im saying. if your rent is only 30% of your income in this day and age you might not actually be bourgeois but you're insanely privileged compared to the likes of me lol
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Larry Parrish posted:sometimes i think the dsa is the greatest roadblock to building socialism in america lol. seriously if you're middle class just go home. donate money or something but as a proletarian myself i just dont trust you out of hand. and we can always tell. even your lovely yard work clothes look too nice and well-kept to be one of us The DSA was founded to push the democratic party to the left I don't know why you would expect it to do anything else. Also our lovely yard work clothes look too nice because they are nice; they just got holes in them.
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