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The best magic is from Final Fantasy 9. The trick is not to double up on items that teach the same skill at the same time that way you're constantly learning new abilities.
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The best magic is the one that was inside you all along!
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Feb 16, 2019 00:17
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As a fantasy fan I find it most interesting when magic is either a force leaving the world or a force coming back into the world. Then there’s some automatic conflict of characters navigating new circumstances. It’s least interesting to me when used as the on page version of an unchanging video game mechanic.
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Feb 16, 2019 02:02
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This loving audiobook I guess the mayor is just going to continue to be a loving rear end in a top hat, huh? There is 0 literal pay off for curing the mayor's poisoning, getting him some noble pussy, getting his taxes back by securing the highways This whole book goes loving nowhere, I regret reading any of this.
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Feb 16, 2019 02:21
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ElGroucho posted:This loving audiobook He gets uh, his tuition paid for, and he promptly defrauds the guy.
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Feb 16, 2019 02:28
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The best magic is the magic of friends- There is no good magic. Ever.
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Feb 16, 2019 04:17
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Rothfuss should totally Star Citizen his next book. Hold a kickstarter and propose expanding the scope of the book by 3, as well a hiring an illustrator and specialist linguist for the languages. Every week Rothfuss can post updates and small pieces of world-building lore, while promising ever more fidelitious writing, larger worlds, more characters, better illustrations and complete transparency on how the books are progressing. People would pay monthly donations for that.
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Feb 16, 2019 04:37
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pseudanonymous posted:He gets uh, his tuition paid for, and he promptly defrauds the guy. I still don't understand how that defrauding is supposed to work either. If memory serves he's splitting the overcharge with the bursar. So he bombs his exams, gets a high tuition, the bursar charges the Maer more, and they split it. Why not just have the bursar make up the fee with out bombing the exams?
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Feb 16, 2019 05:28
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Solice Kirsk posted:I still don't understand how that defrauding is supposed to work either. Yeah we worked out a few years back in the prior thread that the explanation just didn’t work if Kvothe was looking to defraud the Maer with the bursar’s collusion and in fact would have less of a chance to go wrong if the bursar just bumped up the number on the invoice to the Maer.
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Feb 16, 2019 05:33
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Right, so he bombs and gets a tuition of 5k jots or what ever then they charge the Maer 10k jots and split the difference. Why not just do well and charge him 10k jots so the school and him get more money? Rothfuss sucks at both fraud and music. edit: And he had to invent an insult to give his character a sick burn. Green pants.....loving incredible.
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Feb 16, 2019 05:37
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ElGroucho posted:This poo poo honestly writes itself. lol no it doesn't
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Feb 16, 2019 06:06
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Solice Kirsk posted:I still don't understand how that defrauding is supposed to work either. If memory serves he's splitting the overcharge with the bursar. So he bombs his exams, gets a high tuition, the bursar charges the Maer more, and they split it. Why not just have the bursar make up the fee with out bombing the exams? Because then... he wouldn't be the cleverest boy only doing bad on exams because it makes him money. But even how does the Maer pay for it, like a money lender in the city (can't remember the name), letters of credit (economy doesn't seem that advanced) or what. Honestly the whole tuition thing is kind of stupid if you start to really think about it. I could see some kind of variable tuition, like 5 butts and then up to an extra 5 butts if you do poorly on exams, but the idea tuition is just all over the place is sort of insane. Has any school ever operated like that? What if everyone does good on exams and the school runs out of money? What if the teachers are just greedy as gently caress, who knows?
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Feb 16, 2019 06:31
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:lol no it doesn't check out the Tolkien thread pretty soon it (a computer) will
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Feb 16, 2019 06:31
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Solice Kirsk posted:And he had to invent an insult to give his character a sick burn. Green pants.....loving incredible. 
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Feb 16, 2019 06:44
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:lol no it doesn't lmao
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Feb 16, 2019 11:01
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Rothfuss is another nerd writer who liked school There are two types of authors: school loving sucks - everyone School is coooooooooool! : Rowling and Rothfuss
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Feb 16, 2019 11:03
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Too cool for school
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Feb 16, 2019 11:18
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pseudanonymous posted:Because then... he wouldn't be the cleverest boy only doing bad on exams because it makes him money. But even how does the Maer pay for it, like a money lender in the city (can't remember the name), letters of credit (economy doesn't seem that advanced) or what. Chinese universities sorta operate like that. If you do well on the gaokao you go to a cheap and good school. If you do poorly you go to an expensive and bad school. This requires a government to be behind the good schools who are subsidizing the smart students tuitions though. It’s possible I’ve just forgotten all of Rothfuss’ work building but what is the state of the government in his books? For a story about killing a king I don’t even know where the royals are located in respect to the university or tarbean or anywhere Ccs fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Feb 16, 2019 |
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Feb 16, 2019 23:06
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ElGroucho posted:Rothfuss is another nerd writer who liked school Rowling at least made her school somewhat interesting, even though it couldn't help but consistently hire evil people as their defense against the dark arts teacher, or the fact that one of the houses was literally the "we train the evil and powerhungry wizards" school. ...ok so it was a pretty stupid school but at least it managed to entertain. Rothfuss makes school so boring that it's surreal. A school of would-be mages, artificers, alchemists...etc? And they're literally down the road from the anti-magic inquisition? It takes a special talent to make that setting be as boring as he did.
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Feb 16, 2019 23:59
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Evil Fluffy posted:Rowling at least made her school somewhat interesting, even though it couldn't help but consistently hire evil people as their defense against the dark arts teacher, or the fact that one of the houses was literally the "we train the evil and powerhungry wizards" school. ...ok so it was a pretty stupid school but at least it managed to entertain. Rowling was drawing on a huge, existing literary tradition of "boarding school" books, where inevitably some teachers were nasty, some good, and some initially overly strict and scary teachers turned out to have a heart of gold. Think of the number of young adult novels Blyton alone turned out on that theme alone. Rowling added magic and a religious mythology to that, and captured a zeitgeist.
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Feb 17, 2019 01:51
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Ccs posted:It’s possible I’ve just forgotten all of Rothfuss’ work building but what is the state of the government in his books? For a story about killing a king I don’t even know where the royals are located in respect to the university or tarbean or anywhere I literally couldn't tell you. The magic school, its city, and the lovely city where Kvothe is an orphan at are all in the same 'Commonwealth' but... uh... That's about all the information we have on the Commonwealth! Like we know a LOT more about Vintas where only part of the second book takes place. We don't know where the Waystone Inn is either. It's just in a village called Newarre. Where is Newarre? Who knows!  People suspect that the titular King that's gonna be slain is the Vintan King and that the Waystone is in Vintas because that's literally the only place we have information on, much less one that involves a king in a book series called the Kingkiller Chroncile.
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Feb 17, 2019 04:43
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These are the sorts of problems you run into when you're just transcribing the setting of your D&D campaign
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Feb 17, 2019 04:50
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It's a dumb meme but I always got a chuckle out of "As everyone knows, there are four types of children: brave, smart, evil and miscellaneous."
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Feb 17, 2019 04:50
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So the little speech Kvothe gives at the beginning of the novel: do we have a checklist of what parts of it he's actually accomplished in the story? I don't remember it and don't actually own the text so I can't really do it myself. I'm just fairly sure like 75% of his listed accomplishments are in the last book that won't ever come out because Rothfart didn't plan this very well.
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Feb 17, 2019 04:55
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He got a get out of jail free by doing the “legends aren’t reliable” thing. Hey turns out book 1 and 2 covered everything Kvothe actually did. All the other stuff was some other red head who got combined into the kvothe myth. And Kvothe just likes being a bartender more than a mage. Okay story sorted, where do I pick up my check.
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Feb 17, 2019 05:02
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I still can't get over Kvothe's exploits fading into the mists of legend after, at the absolute most, twenty years.
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Feb 17, 2019 05:14
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The books don't get how people are created, much less legends.
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Feb 17, 2019 05:31
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Sham bam bamina! posted:I still can't get over Kvothe's exploits fading into the mists of legend after, at the absolute most, twenty years. According to this it's been less than 10: https://www.tor.com/2012/03/08/rothfuss-reread-timeline/
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Feb 17, 2019 05:55
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Malpais Legate posted:So the little speech Kvothe gives at the beginning of the novel: do we have a checklist of what parts of it he's actually accomplished in the story? I don't remember it and don't actually own the text so I can't really do it myself. Actually he does most of them in the first two books. Name of the Wind posted:My first mentor called me E'lir because I was clever and I knew it. My first real lover called me Dulator because she liked the sound of it. I have been called Shadicar, Lightfinger, and Six-String. I have been called Kvothe the Bloodless, Kvothe the Arcane, and Kvothe Kingkiller. I have earned those names. Bought and paid for them. E'lir, Check Dulator, ... Uhh I don't think it's ever actually mentioned in the books. I'm not even sure who he'd count as his 'first real lover'. He's had like three. Shadicar: Never mentioned. Lightfinger: Never mentioned Six-String: 'Cuz his seven-string lute broke Bloodless: He ate some medicine Arcane: 'Cuz he's good at magic Kingkiller: 'Cuz he killed a king, but honestly it's never been mentioned. Stolen princesses: Nopearoo Burned down Trebon: Yep Felurian: Yep Expelled: ... Kiiinda? It's a loving lame-rear end cop-out actually. Tread paths: He probably believes this Gods: Pretty sure it heavily implies that this one guy is secretly a god, whatever Loved women: So he claims Written songs that make minstrels weep: Check. So it's mostly his nicknames and like two of his legendary exploits that haven't been covered. Sham bam bamina! posted:I still can't get over Kvothe's exploits fading into the mists of legend after, at the absolute most, twenty years. Like 5-10 years at most. He's like literally twenty-five at most in the framing story. Yep.
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Feb 17, 2019 06:01
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Kchama posted:Like 5-10 years at most. He's like literally twenty-five at most in the framing story. Yep. quote:As he turned the bottles in his long, graceful hands the familiar motion eased a few tired lines from his face, making him seem younger, certainly not yet thirty. Not even near thirty. Young for an innkeeper. Young for a man with so many tired lines remaining on his face.
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Feb 17, 2019 06:27
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Does it bother anyone else that he says most of the names are earned and then says "few were unearned" like a few sentences later? It really grates me how bad the writing is.
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Feb 17, 2019 06:53
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Sham bam bamina! posted:There's some wiggle room. It's definitely emphasizing that he's under thirty though. I will confess, I mostly got mixed up because I was thinking of the whole fact that only 10 years could have passed at most since it's implied that his inn is well-established and he's been there years. So the whole timeline is... real shaky.
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Feb 17, 2019 06:53
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Atlas Hugged posted:Does it bother anyone else that he says most of the names are earned and then says "few were unearned" like a few sentences later? It really grates me how bad the writing is. Edit: The repetition of "tired lines" in the quote that I posted is awful, though. Sham bam bamina! fucked around with this message at 07:17 on Feb 17, 2019 |
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Feb 17, 2019 07:14
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I don't have an issue with him setting up the contrast, it's the repetition of "earn/unearned" that jumps out at me. There has to be another word he could use or a better way to phrase it.
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Feb 17, 2019 07:36
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i'm almost thirty and the deeds of my youth have already faded into legend
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Feb 17, 2019 07:36
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Atlas Hugged posted:I don't have an issue with him setting up the contrast, it's the repetition of "earn/unearned" that jumps out at me. There has to be another word he could use or a better way to phrase it. Sham bam bamina! fucked around with this message at 08:00 on Feb 17, 2019 |
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Feb 17, 2019 07:57
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Ah sorry I misinterpreted what you wrote previously.
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Feb 17, 2019 08:10
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All of Kvothe's legends fading from memory before he's 30 makes sense if you assume Rothfuss is writing from the perspective of all of life being like college, where you can be the Biggest Man On Campus and have so many nicknames and exploits, and they'll all be (completely sensibly) forgotten within a year or two of your graduation. What little I know about Patrick Rothfuss makes it hard not to imagine him as the guy who goes back to college five years after he graduated, is appalled that none of the current students remember the immortal legends of his time there, and then proceeds to write 2.5 novels about how glory fades (and how he had all this no-strings-attached sex with these crazy chicks, maaan, even if that bitch Jenny from East Quad never hosed him).
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Feb 17, 2019 08:40
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Apparently I was actually right when I said he was 25 in the framing story, as the people at the Tor reread apparently calculated everything and it comes out to 10 years since Wise Man's Fear, if you believe them. So everyone forgot what the guy who killed the king did. Also, did they hate the king or something? Like, everyone treats him as like this amazing, awe-inspiring figure when generally the dude who murdered the local king and then had to go into hiding should be the person they treat like the devil, not a celebrity. EDIT: The Books posted:He’s so young, Chronicler marveled. He can’t be more than twenty-five. Why didn’t I see it before? He could break me in his hands like a kindling stick. How did I ever mistake him for an innkeeper, even for a moment? Oh this probably helped. Kchama fucked around with this message at 12:33 on Feb 17, 2019 |
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Feb 17, 2019 12:30
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I love it. I love Rothfuss.
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