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That Ossan isekai specifically leans into NOT losing his humanity and having a crisis of conscience when he kills a dude and stuff It also has a very cute wolf puppy sidekick
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I've been reading Defeating the Demon Lord’s a Cinch (If You Have a Ringer) the last couple days and enjoying it. The setting is about the most vanilla one I've ever seen (the demons/demon lord are actually evil, and that almost never happens), but the twist is that it's all told from the POV of the priest of the summoned hero's party, who's a grizzled high level veteran exorcist who has had it up to here with the newbie hero's bullshit and constant running off trying to get himself killed. It does a good job of trying to depict a gamey fantasy world in a comparatively realistic fashion without it going all grimdark rape murder.
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One thing I really like about Isekai like overlord and log horizon is how they answer the question "what happens to the npcs?" Overlord's author determined what sort of personality a person who would follow any command at any moment and be content with any changes made to them by their master would have... and so the npcs of nazarick came to life, frightening zealots who are ready and willing to heed every wish of their master, much to his dismay. Log horizon has the npcs as the people of the land who know of adventurers as terrifying beings who can resurrect themselves and kill monsters. Sekai game has all the npcs with their gimmicky personalities interact and clash with each other, so the poison-tounged little girl berates the warrior who would head off to get himself killed by the demon lord 7 days after the game starts. Now the warrior stays back to gather allies. Pharohman777 fucked around with this message at 08:52 on Feb 15, 2019 |
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Y'know, they've been pretty solid from what I've found so far. Anyone have more inhuman isekai to recommend? Sword, slime (Not for me personally) , spider, dragon and Spirit Migration were pretty good so if anyone has anymore that I haven't encountered I'd love to know.
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A Wild Last Boss Appeared! is pretty good, it's basically Overlord if the plot actually went anywhere.
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Bro Dad posted:A Wild Last Boss Appeared! is pretty good, it's basically Overlord if the plot actually went anywhere. That one is weird in that it doesn't really do anything new, it just does existing tropes really well. Also it's the only genderswap isekai I've seen that isn't super creepy about it.
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RareAcumen posted:Y'know, they've been pretty solid from what I've found so far. Anyone have more inhuman isekai to recommend? Sword, slime (Not for me personally) , spider, dragon and Spirit Migration were pretty good so if anyone has anymore that I haven't encountered I'd love to know. Sadly they don't seem to be quite as common as you'd think considering how many of them there are in the top rankings. The king of all isekai is, of course, I Reincarnated Into a Vending Machine. I don't think anyone can top that premise. Dragon-san Wants a Friend is okay, I guess. I haven't checked the translation to see how it is, though. Unlike the other dragon series where they start near the bottom of the food chain, the dragons in this one are the immortal god creature guardians of the world types. The MC is lonely but has difficulty because the only language she knows is ten thousand years old, and everyone runs away from a dragon anyway. Reincarnated into a Werewolf, the Demon Lord Servants isn't exactly the same since the MC can turn into a human and spends a lot of his time as so, but I'm still giving a mention because it's quite good. It's more in the city/country management subgenre, as it starts with the MC occupying a human city with his werewolf military unit and dealing with things from there. Behemoth’s Pet is uh...something. I don't remember it being bad per se, but the main heroine is an elf girl keeping the MC as a pet because she's into bestiality and wants to gently caress him when he gets bigger. It's certainly unique, I guess? There's plenty more if you allow mostly human stuff like vampires, elves, fairies, and the like. I'll give Death Mage a shout out because it's one of my favorites and the translation is pretty good. Pharohman777 posted:Sekai game has all the npcs with their gimmicky personalities interact and clash with each other, so the poison-tounged little girl berates the warrior who would head off to get himself killed by the demon lord 7 days after the game starts. Now the warrior stays back to gather allies. Sekai game is great because it has all the characters acting like normal humans, but their backstories have been twisted to force them into the state they're in at the start of the game, and they're all still bound by whatever programming and events they had in-game, sometimes to the point of being unable to control their own actions, even if they're conscious of it. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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RareAcumen posted:Y'know, they've been pretty solid from what I've found so far. Anyone have more inhuman isekai to recommend? Sword, slime (Not for me personally) , spider, dragon and Spirit Migration were pretty good so if anyone has anymore that I haven't encountered I'd love to know. Wanwan Monogatari (Woof Woof Story) has the MC get reincarnated as a puppy in a fantasy world. Well, not really a puppy so much as an OP wolf god, but since he died of overwork he really just wants to lie around and eat, so he pretends to be a pet dog for a rich family (albeit one as big as a horse, so he isn't fooling anyone but the young daughter). Really cute and funny, but I seem to recall it having some really cringeworthy fanservice in one chapter. Jaryuu Tensei has the isekai hero reincarnate as a dragon, but he almost immediately gets stuck in a human form anyways. The dragon parts were fun, I found the rest painfully generic though. Bremen fucked around with this message at 09:43 on Feb 15, 2019 |
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RatHat posted:That one is weird in that it doesn't really do anything new, it just does existing tropes really well. Well there is the one thing It's not an isekai
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Bakanogami posted:Behemoth’s Pet is uh...something. I don't remember it being bad per se, but the main heroine is an elf girl keeping the MC as a pet because she's into bestiality and wants to gently caress him when he gets bigger. It's certainly unique, I guess? Yeah this one is awful. It's just constant tits(along with the creepy bestiality hints). Also it isn't actually isekai.
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Bakanogami posted:The king of all isekai is, of course, I Reincarnated Into a Vending Machine. I don't think anyone can top that premise. This one's fun. Things get a little ridiculous, but I like the heroine and her friend so I've stuck with the LN so far. quote:Behemoth’s Pet is uh...something. I don't remember it being bad per se, but the main heroine is an elf girl keeping the MC as a pet because she's into bestiality and wants to gently caress him when he gets bigger. It's certainly unique, I guess? This one's...something, yeah. It's about as fanservicey as you can get without stepping right into porn.  Probably worth skipping, honesty. Edit: RatHat posted:Yeah this one is awful. It's just constant tits(along with the creepy bestiality hints). Also it isn't actually isekai. It is reincarnation, even if it's same-world, which works. Still should probably skip it. Onean fucked around with this message at 10:14 on Feb 15, 2019 |
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one would hope, in a thread titled "good isekai" folks would use some discretion about suggesting things that are trash but welp here we are speaking of "what happens to the NPCs" I found one that touches on that very subject: Yuujin ga Yuusha / My Friend is a Hero It's an RPG world setting and the hero's party are able to resurrect but normal folks can't, so every time the hero dies he ends up in heaven with an NPC who died and they hang out and become friends  (and more...)Artwork is a little rough which impacted my overall rating of it but it was a quick and cute read.
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what's sekai game? there are like 5 different manga with both of those words in the title.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:what's sekai game? there are like 5 different manga with both of those words in the title. https://mangadex.org/title/14408/ko...ke-ga-shitteiru pretty sure it's this one, it's funny
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oh, i guess i just don't remember the stuff about the warrior and such.
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the warrior thing hasn't happened in the manga yet, that's why
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Bro Dad posted:Well there is the one thing It's literally 'gamer wakes up inside of the game world'. That might change but I'm avoiding spoilers. So for now, the manga at least is following the Isekai trope. Also here's a super, super chill Isekai : Isekai Nonbiri Nouka https://read.lhtranslation.com/read-isekai-nonbiri-nouka-chapter-1.html The MC became a workaholic and his health suffered as a result. So he died at 39. God grants him resurrection, and asks him what he wants his bonuses to be - so he asks for a super healthy body, and to be a farmer. God grants this, and a magical farming tool and he ends up ridiculously OP. Then he befriends some wolves by treating them like dogs (The wolves are grandmaster chess players), gets a harem, farms a hell of a lot, makes alcohol, scares the poo poo out of every major being on the planet including dragons and demon kings, and it's generally just extremely, extremely chill. There's very few fights and they don't last so the series focuses on just daily farming and stuff. I don't really know if you could call it a great manga, because it isn't - but it's a nice change of pace with few major cliffhangers and just a lot of the MC being relaxed and enjoying life. khy fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Feb 16, 2019 |
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Yeah I'd definitely consider Inuyasha to be isekai. It was alright. One of the few isekai where the protaganist can freely go back and forth between the worlds.
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Yeah, Inuyasha is definitely an isekai and for that matter, Fushigi Yuugi too. In fact, there's a good chunk of fantasy series in the earlier part of the decade that's probably straight up isekai and I remember them having female protagonists and having long intricate plots. Red River probably kinda counts. Historical isekai I guess.
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khy posted:It's literally 'gamer wakes up inside of the game world'. I've read the novel of this and it's...okay, I guess? It's nice and relaxed, and the chapters from other characters perspectives are fun, but It gets really repetitive after a while, and the MC's harem grows so large, encompassing almost every single woman he's ever met, that it starts to get hard to keep track of the characters. The manga might be an easier way to follow it, though, since it has visuals and wouldn't be so bound to the author's awkward style.
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Bakanogami posted:I've read the novel of this and it's...okay, I guess? It's nice and relaxed, and the chapters from other characters perspectives are fun, but It gets really repetitive after a while, and the MC's harem grows so large, encompassing almost every single woman he's ever met, that it starts to get hard to keep track of the characters. The manga might be an easier way to follow it, though, since it has visuals and wouldn't be so bound to the author's awkward style. The 'too many characters' thing is definitely an issue, but not a huge one. Honestly I like it more for the simple fact that it never tries to go too crazy. It doesn't go for big multi-chapter fight scenes, no major cliffhangers where the hero's life stands in the balance. Just one guy, lots of girls, a massive farm, and daily life with ridiculously powerful inferno doggos and immeasurably powerful demonic spiders and lots of booze and fun to be had. Just very relaxed. khy fucked around with this message at 09:52 on Feb 16, 2019 |
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Inuyasha might be isekai, but is it good isekai?
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Yes/No/Maybe so.
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Would Batman Ninja count? Because I watched that last night and it was just beautifully dumb.
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drilldo squirt posted:Inuyasha might be isekai, but is it good isekai? In the sense that it isn't weird incel bullshit: yeah, it's pretty benign, no rape, no slavery apologia, etc. In the sense that it's actually a good series: non-committal handwavey motion...?
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Now and Then, Here and There is the ultimate isekai
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if you don't genuinely like something probably don't talk about it in this thread and definitely don't talk about bestiality series we don't need to discuss literally every isekai
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The Realist Hero's Kingdom Restoration Chronicles was an enjoyable read, although I haven't caught up on it for some time since I lost track of my progress. It's about a large but fairly poor (and badly managed) kingdom away from the front lines of the usual oncoming demon onslaught. The other countries all send monetary aid to the empire bordering the demons' territory but due to the kingdom's sad financial state they opted to summon a hero to send to the frontlines. The problem being, this 'hero' is a normal guy who has no fighting skills whatsoever, so he tries to improve the country's economic state to avoid being sent to the frontlines, and then the king hands over his position. There's a lot of neat arcs that deal with infrastructure and agricultural reforms, some civil unrest (because an otherwordler just turned up one day and is now king, as you'd expect there's some people suspicious about those circumstances) and the MC isn't some superman Kirito godslayer powerfantasy, which I can respect. https://www.novelupdates.com/series/genjitsushugi-yuusha-no-oukoku-saikenki/ e: There's a manga as well! It's not too far into the series however
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Realist Hero is one of those stories like Slime or Release That Witch where you can tell almost immediately what the author majored in. Which isn't to say it's bad. It's unique and fairly interesting since it comes at the genre from a political science perspective. The silly part is that every other volume ends with the author's self-insert having no choice but to get engaged to a beautiful woman for political reasons despite how much he loves all his current fiances and totally doesn't want any more. 
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Compendium posted:Yeah, Inuyasha is definitely an isekai and for that matter, Fushigi Yuugi too. There must be some sort of deep sociological reason why "fantasies of traveling to or being reborn in a fantasy world" transitioned from a thing character of female-oriented media to being mostly aimed at men. (it's probably just a coincidence that it became a popular thing in some shoujo manga in the 90s, though the prevalence and popularity of isekai web novels in the present is definitely indicative of the collective Japanese young adult psyche in some way)
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Ytlaya posted:There must be some sort of deep sociological reason why "fantasies of traveling to or being reborn in a fantasy world" transitioned from a thing character of female-oriented media to being mostly aimed at men. I've been wondering that too since there were quite a few that were famous like Anatolia Story, Crest of the Royal Family, Inuyasha, Escaflowne, etc. A theory of mine I think is the combined popularity of stuff like SAO and maybe even Fairy Tail or at least fantasy anime like it that seem to take some heavy leads from stuff like Dragon Quest or other famous games of that nature. I'm not saying that Fairy Tail is like Dragon Quest, but it was one of the earlier fantasy manga/anime that got REALLY big that had a similar vibe and people saw that there was an easy market to exploit for easy sales while also peddling out their fetishes and whatnot. As for why we don't get as many female oriented ones or at least ones or at least ones that aren't all villain otome ones, I don't exactly know or have any theories.
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doomrider7 posted:I've been wondering that too since there were quite a few that were famous like Anatolia Story, Crest of the Royal Family, Inuyasha, Escaflowne, etc. A theory of mine I think is the combined popularity of stuff like SAO and maybe even Fairy Tail or at least fantasy anime like it that seem to take some heavy leads from stuff like Dragon Quest or other famous games of that nature. I'm not saying that Fairy Tail is like Dragon Quest, but it was one of the earlier fantasy manga/anime that got REALLY big that had a similar vibe and people saw that there was an easy market to exploit for easy sales while also peddling out their fetishes and whatnot. As for why we don't get as many female oriented ones or at least ones or at least ones that aren't all villain otome ones, I don't exactly know or have any theories. I don't think a business decision caused it in this case, because the modern isekai genre primarily developed through self-published web novels. I think the appeal is pretty easy to understand - it basically takes a lot of the stuff that appeals to people in "normal" anime and manga (like shounen battle manga or harem manga) and distills it into its most pure essence. It's easy to understand why "traveling to a fantasy world where you're super powerful and well-liked" has wide appeal; if anything I'm curious why the genre (in its specific modern form) didn't become popular until recent years. There's a decent chance that it's because the platform for making self-published stories of this nature easily accessible (websites like Narou and widespread use of the internet and smart phones) just didn't exist previously. And a big part of these stories' appeal is that, in their original medium (of web novels), they're published extremely frequently. At a rate even higher than shounen manga; many of these web novels would update several times a week. But all of this still leaves the question of why you didn't previously see shounen manga published where the plot was "being reincarnated and becoming excessively powerful in a world where everyone loves you," and that's where the answer might actually have something to do with what readers demand. My completely baseless and unprovable hypothesis is that these isekai stories - which are usually hyper-escapist media - are at least partly a response to an increasingly depressing adult reality for the people who consume them (who are largely, if not mostly, adults - as opposed to the younger primary audience for shounen manga/anime). Maybe teenagers and children still prefer stories with plots, threatening villains, and the typical things the characterize action/fantasy stories, but the adults who read isekai want nothing but the escape of living a pleasant life in a fantasy world. These stories basically give them what even MMOs can't - after all, in MMOs you can't exactly make everyone like and respect you, and you're forced to play by the same rules as other players. edit: I think Mushoku Tensei might be one of earliest (if not the earliest) web novels of the specific mold that tends to define isekai stories today. I believe it started either before or around the same time as the original Sword Art Online.
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Is Mushoku Tensei any good? It's one of the handful of series that never disappears from my Amazon recommendations.
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It's important to remember that a lot of the stuff at the core of most modern isekais is just the same stuff at the core of an awful lot of young adult fiction. Young kid leaves his boring life to go on an adventure, finds friends and/or romance, discovers they have magic powers or some other thing that makes them special, etc. It's an extremely proven formula. I wasn't joking earlier about Harry Potter being an isekai, it's the same story with a different setting. The trends in the industry are all about what target demographic they're aiming at. An awful lot of recent isekai are aimed at and popular with kids around middle school age, so they aim for young adult fantasy formulas. Back in the day they were probably looking more for romance-novel style fantasy stuff for girls. As an example, I remember seeing a Japanese twitter post talking about the most recent big trend on Narou, which is fantasy series where the MC gets kicked out of the hero's party/their adventurer guild/whatever only to later become overpowered somehow and make the people who kicked them out regret it. The post said they had talked to a LN editor who said with the subgenre they were specifically targeting guys in their 30s/40s who either want to quit their job or have experience being laid off, as a power fantasy about your coworkers recognizing the work you do is essential. Shosetsuka ni Narou might be a site for amateur authors in theory, but in practice pretty much anything that does well enough there to get even moderately popular will at least get a print version and maybe a manga, with anime studios increasingly picking up stuff that started there as well. Those amateur authors are gradually going pro or semi-pro, and getting in touch with professional editors who will steer them even more towards business-friendly decisions. Onean posted:Is Mushoku Tensei any good? It's one of the handful of series that never disappears from my Amazon recommendations. I've seen people have varying opinions on it. It's ranked #1 on Narou and on the whole I'd say I liked it personally, but I've seen enough other people dislike it I hesitate to recommend it outright. It's generic, but that's kind of because it's one of the earlier hits that other series copied from. I like that the MC is at a good spot of "strong, but not necessarily OP", the characters are interesting enough, the main villain is a really neat idea, it has some pretty good fight scenes, it handles the passing of time pretty well, it has an actual story with actual twists instead of being predictable generic status quo forever, and they do a moderately good job of worldbuilding. I give it huge points for actually having a map of its fantasy world, which is something extremely useful that almost every big fantasy novel includes, but that I've only seen on this and like one other isekai. On the other hand, the MC can be varying degrees of creepy (his growing past that and becoming a better person is supposed to be a theme of the series, but it's extremely ham-handed sometimes), the opening bits where he's a baby/kid are weak, there's a few dumb deus ex machinas later in the story, in one volume the MC has a motivation so dumb it breaks you out of the story (he goes on a quest to find a cure for his impotence), and it actually treats issues regarding polygamy with some degree of seriousness instead of being a generic anime harem where everything works out. I guess that last one should normally be a positive, but instead it just makes you notice how everything is kind of weird and awkward. There's probably some other terrible thing about it that I'm forgetting but it's been like three years since I read it. If you don't care enough to pick it up, I'm pretty sure it's got an anime in the pipeline somewhere.
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Onean posted:Is Mushoku Tensei any good? It's one of the handful of series that never disappears from my Amazon recommendations. The novel the manga is adapting eventually gets around to slave owning harem stuff, afaik the manga hasn't gotten that far yet. However it keeps emphasizing from the start that the main character is a grown rear end adult in his 30s in the body of a kid, which makes the romance with the girl his own age gross. Also, Wikipedia has one of the funniest summaries I've seen for one of the volumes: quote:Two years after Eris' departure, the psychological trauma left Rudeus impotent. Since then, Rudeus has been adventuring and spreading his name in order to search for his missing mother. Roxy's companion, Elinalise Dragonroad, relays Zenith's location to Rudeus, and how the others wish for him to live his life instead. On the advice of the Human-God, Rudeus and Elinalise enroll into Ronoa Magic University, to cure his erectile dysfunction. LibrarianCroaker fucked around with this message at 10:31 on Feb 17, 2019 |
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