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Godholio posted:Allow me to offset your anecdote with mine: 45 minute/40 mile each way commute at my previous job. Mine isn't an anecdote though?
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ratbert90 posted:Mine isn't an anecdote though? Anecdotes can be true. quote:An anecdote is a brief, revealing account of an individual person or an incident
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Anecdotes can be true. ratbert90 is referring to the fact that they were referencing actual data: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/average-commute-u-s-states-cities/
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I went looking for the underlying data, but was unable to find commute time broken down by actual time, rather than state / metropolis / etc. It would be interesting to see how it breaks down. https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/nav/jsf/pages/searchresults.xhtml?refresh=t
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i have students who commute 2 hours/100 miles each way but that's because that's how far you have to live outside of san francisco to afford an apartment on a student budget
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Sagebrush posted:i have students who commute 2 hours/100 miles each way but that's because that's how far you have to live outside of san francisco to afford an apartment on a student budget Which sure is a thing, but which one of those students is driving a Tesla or even a Leaf to school?
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ratbert90 posted:Mine isn't an anecdote though? Ah, I missed that it came from the article.
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Most people drove 40 miles a day or fewer: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2016/08/shorter-range-electric-cars-meet-the-needs-of-almost-all-us-drivers/
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How is 74 miles the "distance for which half of all vehicle trips could be covered on one charge," while 87% of all trips are 73 miles or less?
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Godholio posted:How is 74 miles the "distance for which half of all vehicle trips could be covered on one charge," while 87% of all trips are 73 miles or less? The 74 mile figure is the median distance at which a 2013 Nissan Leaf will run out of juice, according to their model. It’s just saying that it might get a few miles more or less, depending on weather and other factors.
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Winter miles? This is where I get annoyed by these kinds of claims. If it barely gets the job done under ideal conditions, what happens when I've got 3 fat passengers and we're blasting heat or AC or whatever in traffic?
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Godholio posted:Winter miles? You park at a charger?
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No chargers in this part of town. But that's ignoring the problem.
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Maybe your fat friends could use some walking?
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MrOnBicycle posted:This is the worst thread. No where near it until C-Spam gets deleted
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Godholio posted:Winter miles? A 6-year old Leaf isn't a great winter vehicle, no. A Bolt, a Kona or a Model 3 will have ample winter range, your local charging infrastructure may vary.
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MrOnBicycle posted:This is the worst thread. My man have you even seen the F1 thread?
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big crush on Chad OMG posted:My man have you even seen the F1 thread? No but oh god I can only imagine...
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Goddamn can Nissan make a hybrid or EV Kicks sometime soon? I know it probably doesn't fit with the "dirt cheap" ethos of the thing but I'd be all over that thing if it wasn't an ICE vehicle.
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drgitlin posted:Most people drove 40 miles a day or fewer: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2016/08/shorter-range-electric-cars-meet-the-needs-of-almost-all-us-drivers/ There is a place in the market for short range cars, less battery means less cost and less weight. Just make sure that the battery is managed properly so it can continue to get that sort of range long term. I have an early Japanese Leaf and it its absolutely fine for my usage at the moment but with a few more years usage it's going to be cutting it a bit fine.
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Amazon is tossing Rivian 700 mil, so the likelihood of them actually bringing a vehicle (and not just being another Fisker) to market just got a lot better. Good news for EVs as far as I can tell, I think Amazon sees the missing innovation (or capability) from traditional automakers in the EV space and has so much $$$ it figured, why not get a foot into this market. Bezos and Musk have been (somewhat friendly) tech rivals forever so maybe this is part of that as well.
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spandexcajun posted:Bezos and Musk have been (somewhat friendly) tech rivals forever so maybe this is part of that as well.
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ilkhan posted:Probably mostly this. Also Amazon isn’t stupid, and an EV delivery truck that gets 200 miles to a charge and can haul like 1,500 lbs of poo poo is an excellent way to be able to deliver packages on the cheap with your underpaid drivers who pay you for access to the truck.
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Truck leases, Truck leases everywhere! Monthly pay $2,500, Truck Lease $1,500, Truck charger access $999.
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Ripoff posted:Also Amazon isn’t stupid, and an EV delivery truck that gets 200 miles to a charge and can haul like 1,500 lbs of poo poo is an excellent way to be able to deliver packages on the cheap with your underpaid drivers who pay you for access to the truck. For what it's worth, they've also invested in a self-driving vehicle startup: https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/07/tech/amazon-autonomous-vehicles/index.html
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My company is providing the charging hardware for Amazon. 
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drgitlin posted:I haven’t heard anything of the sort and VW told me it was still on track for 2020 a few weeks ago. So I've seen on another board that the ID ( I think they're calling the hatchback "ID 3") isn't coming to the US, but the cross over and the bus (Crozz/Microbus) are coming for sale in the US. Did VW actually say the hatchback was coming, or just that 'the platform' is coming? Not getting the hatch would be really disappointing. :\
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One week until Zero announces their new bike!
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Ola posted:One week until Zero announces their new bike! I wonder how much they laughed when they saw Harley's offering and the price.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:I wonder how much they laughed when they saw Harley's offering and the price. I hope heartily, and not "heh heh, it's HUNDREDS of dollars more than ours!" Ola fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Feb 18, 2019 |
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Zero's flagship motorcycle, the DSR, costs $16.5k. That's not cheap.
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Nfcknblvbl posted:Zero's flagship motorcycle, the DSR, costs $16.5k. That's not cheap. That's still in the price bracket of expensive motorcycles, not mid range cars like HD.
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Nfcknblvbl posted:Zero's flagship motorcycle, the DSR, costs $16.5k. That's not cheap. And yet, nearly half the MSRP ($29,799) of the Harley Livewire!
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Ola posted:That's still in the price bracket of expensive motorcycles, not mid range cars like HD. My Husky 701 cost $4k less than that, and it's closely related in motorcycle style to Zero's offerings. Husqvarna's enduro and supermoto bikes are at the top of the price range.
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Nfcknblvbl posted:My Husky 701 cost $4k less than that, and it's closely related in motorcycle style to Zero's offerings. Husqvarna's enduro and supermoto bikes are at the top of the price range. In Norway, an optioned out Zero DSR is cheaper than an F850GS. Fair comparison? It's two different apples, but neither is an orange. I'm anyway not expecting the people's electric bike to roll out of a low volume California manufacturer. I bet the next one will be more expensive than the SR, but the most important question is the feature set. The SR is more like the early Tesla Roadsters, no particular fancy tech, no fast charging. Will the next one be a Model S?
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The Lightning Strike and the Zero DS/R both look interesting to me, though probably out of my price range. The Strike especially, as I want the performance more than the off-road, and the existing Zero range is pretty drat bad.
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Ola posted:In Norway, an optioned out Zero DSR is cheaper than an F850GS. Fair comparison? It's two different apples, but neither is an orange. I'm anyway not expecting the people's electric bike to roll out of a low volume California manufacturer. I bet the next one will be more expensive than the SR, but the most important question is the feature set. The SR is more like the early Tesla Roadsters, no particular fancy tech, no fast charging. Will the next one be a Model S? My idiot guess is a higher-voltage battery pack to allow HVDC charging, maybe some rudimentary and easy water cooling to keep complexity down but let them run the batteries harder to get a faster quarter mile for bench spec racers to ogle over. Maybe some integrated traction control stuff as well to keep up with their competitors in that price range. They may get Öhlins or another super-pricey suspension company to buy in at this point, but we’ll see.
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ratbert90 posted:80 Miles a day is a crazy amount. Are they averaging in commute times for people who do not work (i.e. commute == 0 minutes)? I find it really hard to believe that average commute times for people in the San Francisco Bay Area and in LA is less than 30 minutes.
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