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clusterfuck posted:If those projections of mine automation are accurate in the next decade most coal workers will: What if we make mine automation illegal? Mines become too expensive to operate, but you can also market it is "preserving mining jobs". It doesn't solve the problem of people actually losing their jobs, but then I'm still of the opinion that there's no reason we should care about that more now than we have about any other industry. We should have a net to catch anyone who falls, after all.
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snoremac posted:I tried to find answers through government websites but couldn’t: If you cancelled before you start work, you should be fine. It's taxable income, and they'll send you a statement with the exact amount around tax time.
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Tokamak posted:If you cancelled before you start work, you should be fine.
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bandaid.friend posted:Uh wow they absolutely did not give a poo poo before or after the incident Honestly "it was on private land so we can't do anything" has happened before - a few years back there was an inquest about some kid who ran over two of his friends sleeping in a tent on private property and the person running the inquest was frustrated she couldn't do anything because there's this weird legal grey area when it comes to driving on private land (also the kid was the son of a local cop and mysteriously was only tested for drugs and alcohol a day after the incident). So... I'm not entirely surprised.
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snoremac posted:Okay, thanks. Given centrelink and robodebt letters I'd hang onto your payslips and documentation about start date. They've got a great habit of assuming any money earned in the financial year happened during the entire financial year as a steady stream.
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Wait did 7:30 really run a loving franking scare show? Jesus loving Christ it doesn’t matter how hard you schillfor them they’re not going to spare your jobs you hosed idiots
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Solemn Sloth posted:Wait did 7:30 really run a loving franking scare show? Jesus loving Christ it doesn’t matter how hard you schillfor them they’re not going to spare your jobs you hosed idiots Destroy the ABC root and branch. Start over from the ashes. Spare no one.
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Solemn Sloth posted:Wait did 7:30 really run a loving franking scare show? Jesus loving Christ it doesn’t matter how hard you schillfor them they’re not going to spare your jobs you hosed idiots Probably an apology for making Dutton look like an idiot.
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JBP posted:I honestly reckon it's inevitable now. Even if humans are .1% of climate change, once you break a link in a complex system, that's it. Unfortunately this time it’ll just be the redneck survivalists that’ll be left to rebuild civilisation.
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gay picnic defence posted:Unfortunately this time it’ll just be the redneck survivalists that’ll be left to rebuild civilisation. I admit I'm on board to read the story about the survivalist redneck society becoming socialists because they learn the hard way that life's easier when everyone cooperates. Actually there's a book called The Postman about the apocalypse and there's no real event that brings it about, it's just a series of catastrophes, and the randian survivalists make everything significantly worse to the point society can't recover.
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snoremac posted:I tried to find answers through government websites but couldn’t: 100% keep your documentation. They annualise your tax return income (basically the least favorable possible treatment), so if you earn more than $10k they will say you owe money. Just keep every single pay stub for the year. I'm told that some people don't get caught up because payroll systems sometimes have a real start date on the group certificates, however most just put the financial year dates in.
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The rich will inherit the earth.
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Cracking estimates tonight, been watching the last few hours. Nick McKim is a legend.
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We should just rename the federal Greens to the Senate Inquiry/Estimates Party because it’s the only thing they’re actually good at.
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For anyone interested in learning more about the coal industry I highly recommend listening to an NPR podcast, “Embedded” that did a series on coal a while ago: https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510311/embedded It’s from a US perspective, but the themes feel very familiar. They talk a (tiny) bit about Australia as a competitor. Automation is something that I’m wrestling with at the moment as it’s increasingly a part of what I do. I continue to meet a steady stream of idiots banking the benefits of making people redundant not realising they will be next. BPOs were disruptive, but it often showed that people were just not using their skills and experience to best effect and could adapt. Now, whatever industry you’re in automation just puts you in the blacksmith category. It’s so far been mostly clinical, but it does feel that a pivot to really consider the impacts is slowly happening in some areas. As people have stated mass redeployment is a loving nightmare and expect thousands to be thrown on the scrap heap. I suppose the only positive is that there may be time for debate as a number of technologies and applications have just not being unleashed. Companies are cautious of the corporate creepy line and fear brand damage - think driverless Volvos crashing in San Fran. Graic Gabtar fucked around with this message at 12:02 on Feb 18, 2019 |
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Anidav posted:
The Tony Abbott crabs
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GotLag posted:Can't wait until computers own property, making human capitalists redundant This is probably the origin of Skynet
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Ghost Leviathan posted:This is probably the origin of Skynet At 2:14 a.m., EDT, on August 29, Bill Shorten’s Australian Labor Party restricted negative gearing of real estate to newly constructed homes and removed the capital gains tax discount instituted by the Howard government. Skynet perceived this as an attack. Skynet came to the logical consequence that all of humanity would attempt to destroy it. In order to continue fulfilling its programming mandates of "safeguarding the world" and to defend itself against humanity, Skynet launched nuclear missiles under its command at Russia, which responded with a nuclear counter-attack against the U.S. and its allies. Consequent to the nuclear exchange, over three billion people were killed in an event that came to be known as Judgment Day.
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Terminator 5: weekend at DJ Kevin party land
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JBP posted:The rich will inherit the earth. or at least whats left of it
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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:Why aren't they agitating for ubi with us instead of COAL COAL COAL COAL COAL COAL COAL COAL COAL? With the right approach from people willing to credibly* engage with their problems I promise you that they would be far more amenable than you think. (UBIs suck btw) *ref: Bernie Sanders
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thatbastardken posted:yeah the second one, also the government should nationalize the mines, seize the assets and shift the debts to the shareholders. This might be an extremely dumb question, but when companies go bust why aren't shareholders as "owners" responsible for the debts incurred, and should they be?
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hooman posted:This might be an extremely dumb question, but when companies go bust why aren't shareholders as "owners" responsible for the debts incurred, and should they be? It's not dumb but companies that suddenly explode in that way are often hiding things from shareholders as well. If a company tanks for other reasons you've lost your money anyway because the share is worth less. They're just a capital raising mechanism. If I was a company under this proposed system I'd start paying my staff minimum wage with big share options. They'd most likely be better off but if he company bust they'd have to pay their own severance 
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or, and bear with me a second, this is pretty wild, but what if, workers were sole and equal owners
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Jonah Galtberg posted:or, and bear with me a second, this is pretty wild, but what if, What if Goku fought Superman
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Goku would win. He would destroy the sun
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Anidav posted:Goku would win. He would destroy the sun Does Goku not have any love for mankind?
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JBP posted:What if Goku fought Superman What saga Goku and what era Superman
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hooman posted:This might be an extremely dumb question, but when companies go bust why aren't shareholders as "owners" responsible for the debts incurred, and should they be? disclaimer: i have failed corporation law like, 3 times companies in general operate by limited liability, where any given shareholder is only responsible for the companies debts to the value of the shares they hold - you can't come after an individual when a company folds, and if you're an unsecured creditor (customer, contractor, employee, etc) you are poo poo out of luck if the value of shares and assets runs out before the secured creditors (banks, other companies) are paid off. the reasoning behind this is vaguely linked to making sure people could put money into high-risk, high-reward ventures like shipping without being ruined (or having their surviving family chased for the debt) when a boat sank, and has since become the concept of corporate personhood and is a huge loving issue. as an extra delicious wrinkle in australia (maybe other places) companies set up for the purposes of mining are explicitly no liability companies, meaning that if the company folds you can't even go after the value of shares, just assets(?) the reasoning being to encourage investment in mineral exploration and extraction. things that sort of make sense when they protect individuals taking substantial risks are now abused by 21st century capitalism, and i'm of the opinion that corporate personality and all that jazz needs to go.
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JBP posted:Does Goku not have any love for mankind? Goku is not too bright sometimes.
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JBP posted:Does Goku not have any love for mankind? goku canonically doesn't feel or understand love, and lives only to get in fights. in this, he is a typical saiyajin vegeta, who feels love for bulma and his children, is actually the freak of the two.
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hooman posted:This might be an extremely dumb question, but when companies go bust why aren't shareholders as "owners" responsible for the debts incurred, and should they be? It's complicated. The responsibility for debts is shouldered by the directors, some of whom are usually shareholders, and who are the only ones who can do major financial things like sign contracts and cheques. They get a lot of scrutiny if they're directing a company without owning a stake. Shareholders actually have no power except to vote on who are the board of directors, and if you're a shareholder without being a director you theoretically are only risking the amount of money you have invested in the company, and you also need to have a high amount of trust in the people you are voting to take care of your money. Directors have a lot of obligations under the corporations act but there are a few vague "over arching" ones that usually end up in court if ASIC doesn't do something about it first. Things like "making a business judgment", or "acting in good faith". If you can show that the decision you made as a director was made in good faith, then you can fail without too much penalty, although your reputation is destroyed in the process. Directors have their own kind of insurance called "Director's insurance" which usually has a ridiculously high payout amount, and is for insuring against claims from shareholders or the regulator for making lovely decisions. It's also why boards of directors demand a LOT of paperwork and audit trails because it's usually to cover their arse in the event some plucky shareholder decides to sue. Things operate kind of differently between public and private companies, but usually the emphasis on transparency and accountability happens moreso with public companies because the directors either have no stock or only have a small amount compared to the whole. A lot of the smaller mining companies are actually private and because they're not listed on an exchange they can get away with less scrutiny of their affairs.
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Disclaimer: the above post is based on extensive reading and re-reading of the corporations act and associated guidance material from the regulators and from the Institute of Company Directors and is in no way intended as legal advice. I am not a lawyer.
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It's worth mentioning that a public company is more likely to do the right thing (I know they're still bad) because of the open scrutiny. Thanks to superannuation and active industry funds you often have a lot of worker capital invested in their own industry which means good funds like Australian Super will rock up at an AGM and use their status as substantial holders to create a ruckus when the board is doing dumb or bad poo poo (once again if the books are cooked this is basically worthless).
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