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And yet oil proceeds are likely hosed unless we see mass outsider investment into Venezeula and likely buying/investing of oil land, because nobody is going to donate to a country's economy purely out of charity's sake. I doubt the amount in Maduro's and other PSUV members accounts would be nearly enough assuming they went on a sudden 180 flip and began to mass invest into Venezuela.
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Concerned Citizen posted:Venezuelans will manage it themselves. Look, I don't mean to be rude, but this comment right here is why we can't find a point in common in this thread. Anyone who really follows the situation in Venezuela should at least understand the fact everything the Maduro government has done, they've done to entrench themselves in power. There's no mechanism by which the Venezuelan people, who are mostly living in poverty now and opposed to the Maduro government can rid ourselves of him. Currently, they're holding the entire country hostage, and that's not an exaggeration. If you can't understand that fact, then you really haven't made much of an effort to keep up with Venezuelan news. Certainly not enough to comment on the current situation as though you had an informed opinion.
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ChaseSP posted:And yet oil proceeds are likely hosed unless we see mass outsider investment into Venezeula and likely buying/investing of oil land, because nobody is going to donate to a country's economy purely out of charity's sake. I doubt the amount in Maduro's and other PSUV members accounts would be nearly enough assuming they went on a sudden 180 flip and began to mass invest into Venezuela. I agree. Venezuela's economy and current situation are borne of the current government's effective sale of the country's resources to foreign powers, and those foreign powers' gradually diminishing support of the regime- which is part of what makes the sudden, one-sided demand for selective isolationism by the opposition so frustrating.
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patonthebach posted:https://forums.somethingawful.com/banlist.php?userid=60050 Imagine being this thin-skinned about being called out for your shitposting about Venezuela. Maybe you have something worthwhile to say?
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What is the current sanctions status anyway. Has the US broadened things to general sanctions now? If so that has always worked so well in the past...
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Munin posted:What is the current sanctions status anyway. Has the US broadened things to general sanctions now? If so that has always worked so well in the past... bah gawd that's greyjoybastard's music I haven't dug into the details of the two new (unilateral, official) sanctions, because they're bad-to-terrible and make me sad although they'd make a good addition to the Other Thread, but based on what I see on a skim: - Venezuelan gold reserves: frozen-ish, pending elections or whatever - Expanded individual sanctions based on Venezuelan corruption or involvement with government programs - Actual sanctions on PDVSA, pending elections or whatever, but apparently not a full block yet because that's what everyone's terrified of and muttering about
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A nazi is a nazi. Whether they call themselves socialist or not pro Madurists lack the knowledge to know how bad maduro has made it. Unfortunately, the propaganda is very outwardly pro government because the government controls all weapons. Dissent is crushed via gang shootings and police brutality. It is odious to support such a governments policies so much so that even Russia is yanking funding. The game has gone on long enough to truly ruin the country, i suspect one day the presidential palace will just be empty and people will go WtF where'd Maduro go?? Chaos ensuing due to the nature of this. What we do learn from this is russian propaganda farming and fake news or doctore timelines are almost out of hands of the main russian government. The denial is still steaming along while the russian government shows Solidarity with the US on blocking the money from being stolen from its peolpe further. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:A nazi is a nazi... There's anti-Maduro and anti-US-involvement sides in this thread, but I think your posting has a chance to bring them together in a grand alliance opposing any more of them appearing. All hail the Peacemaker. ^^^ rename of LeoMarr apparently. Rust Martialis fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Feb 18, 2019 |
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i'm gonna be honest, maduro hauling rear end out of miraflores one night with comedically large sacks of gold and jewels to catch the next plane to Moscow / Beijing / Dubai is actually a pretty acceptable outcome, especially if it happens in the near future
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Can you show us the proof in something other than a twitter post Mr. Nazi Sympathiser
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more about the aid Venezuela has received and accepted would be p cool if anyone has it at their fingertips, my personal recollection of proper reportin' is at least a moon or two out of date (but is Maduro going "nope no crisis here") edit: there's a potentially important fuckup by the Al Jazeera Twitter phrasing versus the article headline. Spot the difference! AJE Twitter: quote:US planes carrying aid for Venezuela land in Colombia, as Venezuelan President Maduro refuses to allow aid to enter the country https://aje.io/uwzru AJE article headline: quote:US planes carrying aid for Venezuela land in Colombia Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 07:04 on Feb 18, 2019 |
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Can you show us the proof in something other than a twitter post Mr. Nazi Sympathiser Hi there, you didn't answer my question! Do you still think Chinese people have "piss-colored" skin?
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"Yes, there's a problem with prices, but there's not the humanitarian crisis international media shows. Furthermore, the government of Maduro makes shure that 6 million families receive, each month, a box of food. It's called CLAP. " "Box" of food for the month? Can you explain to me caps lock, since you're versed on the subject. Please show us a picture of this CLAP box of food so we all are on the same page about the amount received in this "box"   So a family receives this for the month. So lets be conservative and say a family of 3 since most likely a child has DIED FROM STARVATION in most familes. 270 meals need to be created from this box of food. Can you please, Sir Hanzi, explain to us how someone would turn a CLAP box into 270 meals. An opposition supporter with pearl earrings didn't want me to show this video and tried to stop me filming - Salted Anti opposition statement cemented in state actor.  Remember, They will be praying the government you support is thwarted because that's the only way they will survive the decade.   You're basically posting North Korean propaganda. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/05/20/world/americas/venezuela-maduro-election.html?smid=tw-share quote:
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Why do I keep being able to do this. Why won't you check your sources? Edit: context is Press Tv is Iran’s foreign-facing propaganda apparatus. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 08:24 on Feb 18, 2019 |
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Feb 18, 2019 08:08
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Dismissing journalists because they arent white americans isnt impressive to most people.
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So fun fact, if you take a look at the background you can see that basically every shelf is stupidly overstocked with a handful of products. That's because there's so many shortages, supermarkets are compelled to overstock the few things that are available (and aren't price controlled) in order to make the shelves look full. There's a picture from a year or so back of an entire supermarket aisle filled with nothing but Tide laundry detergent, and while this store might not have it quite that bad, it sure ain't great going by the pretty limited selection that's actually on display. Anyway, just something worth noting.
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This guy is staying in the hotel with blumenthal on that all expenses paid trip. This cheap propaganda is working amazing though. Great value for maduro. Holy poo poo, how dumb are you to believe the "food shortages are fake news" bit?
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Acebuckeye13 posted:So fun fact, if you take a look at the background you can see that basically every shelf is stupidly overstocked with a handful of products. That's because there's so many shortages, supermarkets are compelled to overstock the few things that are available (and aren't price controlled) in order to make the shelves look full. There's a picture from a year or so back of an entire supermarket aisle filled with nothing but Tide laundry detergent, and while this store might not have it quite that bad, it sure ain't great going by the pretty limited selection that's actually on display. Those aren't "the shelves" all overstocked with the same product. Those are the endcaps, which are special displays. In the US at least, companies pay the store to feature just their products, and often just one product, on this highly visible location in the store. On the right side of the video you can see a few feet worth of "the shelves". The frontmost shelf (#7) looks like personal hygiene products, there are at least a dozen different SKUs on display. The next shelf back (#6) has only one SKU on it, but you'll see that in US stores sometimes. The endcap on the right is mostly one item, with some variety on the top shelf. I'll also note that I see very few gaps in any of the displays visible on camera. If anything, it's not a shortage of groceries, it's a shortage of customers. If anything, this 15 second video shows that there are no shortages. Not in this store, and not on camera anyway.
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Discendo Vox posted:Why do I keep being able to do this. Why won't you check your sources? So if we're ignoring propaganda outlets, let's put a ban on the New York Times and the BBC too
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Acebuckeye13 posted:So fun fact, if you take a look at the background you can see that basically every shelf is stupidly overstocked with a handful of products.
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mllaneza posted:Those aren't "the shelves" all overstocked with the same product. Those are the endcaps, which are special displays. In the US at least, companies pay the store to feature just their products, and often just one product, on this highly visible location in the store.  
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GreyjoyBastard posted:more about the aid Venezuela has received and accepted would be p cool if anyone has it at their fingertips, my personal recollection of proper reportin' is at least a moon or two out of date (but is Maduro going "nope no crisis here") I posted a couple of weeks ago (i.e. 15 years ago)that maduro let CERF UN aid into the country back in december.the questions is how much of that managed to reach the general population.8-ball says " not a lot". Its also hard to parse how much aid has got into the country because a lot of the UN and EU funds are going straight to the refugees in the neighbouring countries.
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Bob le Moche posted:In the socialist dictatorship of Venezuela, people are so oppressed they don't even have the freedom to choose between coke and pepsi, there is only coke Thats a pretty funny joke considering people are literally starving twenty pounds a year. 
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Slanderer posted:So if we're ignoring propaganda outlets, let's put a ban on the New York Times and the BBC too *posts a Bloomberg article about how nobody actually likes Maduro and welcomes the coup* "Actually you posting a guy in a real rear end place in the city becomes lies because he writes for Iranian media"
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sexpig by night posted:*posts a Bloomberg article about how nobody actually likes Maduro and welcomes the coup* Unless a source has been vetted by the state department or western institutions they must be propagandists. No, I will not be examining why I hold this belief at this time.
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mllaneza posted:If anything, this 15 second video shows that there are no shortages. Not in this store, and not on camera anyway. What is the use of that when the fact that there are shortages and other issues is widely known and acknowledged?
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Labradoodle posted:Look, I don't mean to be rude, but this comment right here is why we can't find a point in common in this thread. Anyone who really follows the situation in Venezuela should at least understand the fact everything the Maduro government has done, they've done to entrench themselves in power. There's no mechanism by which the Venezuelan people, who are mostly living in poverty now and opposed to the Maduro government can rid ourselves of him. Currently, they're holding the entire country hostage, and that's not an exaggeration. Maduro isn't a superhero. Popular revolts have removed dictators with a decent level of regularity in recent years. I don't think Venezuela is so special that it requires the American government's help. If he is truly as unpopular as many in the thread say, then his days are numbered because he stands very little chance of surviving in the medium term.
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mllaneza posted:Those aren't "the shelves" all overstocked with the same product. Those are the endcaps, which are special displays. In the US at least, companies pay the store to feature just their products, and often just one product, on this highly visible location in the store. dude I've worked retail, I know what a loving endcap is
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sexpig by night posted:*posts a Bloomberg article about how nobody actually likes Maduro and welcomes the coup* and also he's there on Maduro's dime, just saying
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Concerned Citizen posted:Maduro isn't a superhero. Popular revolts have removed dictators with a decent level of regularity in recent years. I don't think Venezuela is so special that it requires the American government's help. If he is truly as unpopular as many in the thread say, then his days are numbered because he stands very little chance of surviving in the medium term. How? It doesn't matter how popular Maduro is, he commands the oil, the military, the courts, the election system, and even called into existence a new legislature. What are the people supposed to do?
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Acebuckeye13 posted:I've referred to this article a few times, but it's a good example of how Chavez operated. While the goal of funding social programs with oil revenues was absolutely laudable and a Good Idea, Chavez treated the oil industry as a never-ending tap of funds and ultimately cannibalized the PDVSA. quote:In 2002, Chávez took two more steps to turn the once-proud PDVSA into his private preserve. First, he installed a new president, Gastón Parra Luzardo, a leftist economics professor who was a fierce opponent of opening the industry to more private investment. Then, in April, he went on live television to humiliate and fire a handful of PDVSA managers, replacing them with political hacks. Together, the moves sparked violent public protests, which turned into a coup attempt against Chávez. Hahahahahaha
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:Hahahahahaha The people rose up in defence of an oil company's CEOs, just like in the books Ayn Rand wrote.
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:Hahahahahaha lmao
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Carlos Danger posted:The people rose up in defence of an oil company's CEOs, just like in the books Ayn Rand wrote. This was after Chavez pushed through a new constitution that enhanced his personal power and people thought he was setting himself up as a dictator, so yeah they took offense to a power move to wrest vastly more personal control over the state oil company. Like, even if you think every part of the 2002 coup was orchestrated in Langley, a big reason why it got as far as it did was because he was increasingly unpopular at the time because of actions like that.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:This was after Chavez pushed through a new constitution that enhanced his personal power and people thought he was setting himself up as a dictator, so yeah they took offense to a power move to wrest vastly more personal control over the state oil company. for a quick laugh, check the roll call of the guys at the National Security Council who were pushing that one real hard!
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Acebuckeye13 posted:This was after Chavez pushed through a new constitution that enhanced his personal power and people thought he was setting himself up as a dictator, so yeah they took offense to a power move to wrest vastly more personal control over the state oil company. "People" thought that, did they? These "people"?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id--ZFtjR5c&t=1393s
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