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Plague Knight had the best story but Spectre Knight absolutely had the best gameplay.
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https://youtu.be/6ktDxzN8Y2U Top ten anime battles 
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Feb 16, 2019 09:46
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Any suggestions for the second fight against Hornet? I've one shotted most other bosses but I just cannot down her. Her windup times are only good for dodging, I barely get hits in. I've got 8 hearts and the second or third nail. Once she starts summoning those spikes I can't hit them all and dodge her. A few of her moves have the same tell which is extremely frustrating. I'm at like 20+ attempts and not getting any closer. I had no problems with her the first time ironically.
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Feb 17, 2019 00:42
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The Gunslinger posted:Any suggestions for the second fight against Hornet? I've one shotted most other bosses but I just cannot down her. Her windup times are only good for dodging, I barely get hits in. I've got 8 hearts and the second or third nail. Once she starts summoning those spikes I can't hit them all and dodge her. A few of her moves have the same tell which is extremely frustrating. I'm at like 20+ attempts and not getting any closer. Definitely upgrade your nail again, you want level 4 or 5 for that one.
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Feb 17, 2019 01:02
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That was one of the hardest fights in the game for me for whatever reason. I don’t really have any advice except keep trying - I suck at the combat in this game and I somehow managed after a bunch of tries. You can do it!
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Feb 17, 2019 03:36
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The Gunslinger posted:Any suggestions for the second fight against Hornet? I've one shotted most other bosses but I just cannot down her. Her windup times are only good for dodging, I barely get hits in. I've got 8 hearts and the second or third nail. Once she starts summoning those spikes I can't hit them all and dodge her. A few of her moves have the same tell which is extremely frustrating. I'm at like 20+ attempts and not getting any closer. Her moves all actually have slightly different visual tells, it's only her shouts that are arbitrary and meaningless.
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Feb 17, 2019 04:51
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I remember having a really hard time with that one until using the spirit attack to clear the spikes. Occasionally taking out 1 or 2 well out of reach made it a lot more manageable.
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Feb 17, 2019 05:06
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Alpenglow posted:I remember having a really hard time with that one until using the spirit attack to clear the spikes. Occasionally taking out 1 or 2 well out of reach made it a lot more manageable. Holy poo poo.
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Feb 17, 2019 05:10
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I decided to go back and try to finish the Pantheons and my main takeaway is: The intro to the Pure Vessel sucks rear end. 20 seconds of dead time spend every single time I want to retry the fight.
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Feb 17, 2019 14:04
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The Gunslinger posted:Any suggestions for the second fight against Hornet? I've one shotted most other bosses but I just cannot down her. Her windup times are only good for dodging, I barely get hits in. I've got 8 hearts and the second or third nail. Once she starts summoning those spikes I can't hit them all and dodge her. A few of her moves have the same tell which is extremely frustrating. I'm at like 20+ attempts and not getting any closer. Clearing the spikes from a distance is helpful, as another poster already noted. The shaman stone increases projectile size as well as damage, making it easier to hit multiple spikes with a single spell; your call if that's worth the charm notches or not. Collecting the upgraded projectile spell is good for the same reasons, if you haven't picked it up already. More generally, Hornet's at her most vulnerable just after attacking. She crouches down before lunging and stands upright with her spear held like a javelin before throwing it, so learn to tell the difference between those two. Her parry stance is instant but you can dodge the riposte by dashing away from her, so it's only dangerous if you let her back you into a corner. Her jumps are instant too, so hanging out directly above her is risky unless she's already committed to an attack. Try hitting her just after dodging one of her moves and then backing up until she attacks again.
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Feb 17, 2019 14:41
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Alpenglow posted:I remember having a really hard time with that one until using the spirit attack to clear the spikes. Occasionally taking out 1 or 2 well out of reach made it a lot more manageable. In general: using charms to buff damage spells instead of healing is way more effective on almost all bosses in the main game. You can basically damage race all bosses until the final boss/NKG. Play aggressively and spam those spells!
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Feb 17, 2019 15:01
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:Rewatching the trailer and I think its set after. The bugs that have her in a cage seem to be wearing masks or something so "what if they're taking her out of hollownest and those masks protect them from losing their minds" came to me. Hornet ain't void
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Feb 17, 2019 19:33
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Hornet is void, though. She's just also other stuff, like gender.
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Feb 17, 2019 21:09
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So Nightmare King Grimm is impossible right? You’re not actually supposed to beat him, it’s just a funny joke right? *lights myself on fire*
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Feb 17, 2019 21:26
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Rand Brittain posted:Hornet is void, though. She's just also other stuff, like gender. no, the wyrm isn't associated with the void and neither is herrah
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Feb 17, 2019 22:29
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somnambulist posted:So Nightmare King Grimm is impossible right? He's not even the hardest fight in the game. You can get a conclusion to the grimm sidequest without beating him though.
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Feb 17, 2019 22:30
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Johnny Joestar posted:no, the wyrm isn't associated with the void and neither is herrah She’s void-derived, just not a Vessel. When you come out of the Abyss she tells you that your power stems from the same source. She’s obviously not a regular bug.
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Feb 17, 2019 22:36
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skasion posted:She’s void-derived, just not a Vessel. When you come out of the Abyss she tells you that your power stems from the same source. She’s obviously not a regular bug. quote:Ghost. I see you've faced the place of your birth, and now drape yourself in the substance of its shadow. their 'strength' she's referring to is the fact that they're both children of the basically godlike creature that ruled over hallownest. the two are absolutely related, but they're half-siblings and the abyss is not the shared parent.
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Feb 17, 2019 22:53
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Johnny Joestar posted:their 'strength' she's referring to is the fact that they're both children of the basically godlike creature that ruled over hallownest. the two are absolutely related, but they're half-siblings and the abyss is not the shared parent. It's even weirder because technically the Vessels are children of Root and Wyrm (already a massive ???? unless one assumes D&D genetics for the people of Hallownest to go with their stylized anthropomorphic bug bodies, since they're not even shaped the same way), sacrificed en masse and then having Void stuff stuffed into their corpses. So while Hornet may be your half sister, she is very much of a different sort.
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Feb 18, 2019 01:13
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skasion posted:She’s void-derived, just not a Vessel. When you come out of the Abyss she tells you that your power stems from the same source. She’s obviously not a regular bug. She means the Wyrm, not the void.
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Feb 18, 2019 01:44
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somnambulist posted:So Nightmare King Grimm is impossible right? This is a very difficult boss but also a very learnable one. He only has a few moves and your approach to dealing with them is the same each time. Keep throwing yourself at him until you have leaned his patterns. Another tip, don’t get aggressive with him. Focus on dodging. If you’re not in a good position to hit him without taking damage yourself don’t take the risk. Just let him go into his next move.
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Feb 18, 2019 05:07
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Draile posted:This is a very difficult boss but also a very learnable one. He only has a few moves and your approach to dealing with them is the same each time. Keep throwing yourself at him until you have leaned his patterns. This, as well as try using Shape of Unn, it turns the flame pillars into a fantastic healing opportunity.
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Feb 18, 2019 05:40
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Rand Brittain posted:Hornet is void, though. She's just also other stuff, like gender. Rather than write out an argument, I'm just going to post Mossbag's video, which is way more thorough than anything I could post here: https://youtu.be/0JKUolxcH10
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Feb 18, 2019 06:06
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Pigbuster posted:This, as well as try using Shape of Unn, it turns the flame pillars into a fantastic healing opportunity. Hilariously, it also lets you crawl under the fire bats he throws.
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Feb 18, 2019 06:40
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Going back to Hornet 2/general boss fight advice, abuse the hell out of Desolate Dive/Descending Dark, it gives you a disgusting amount of iframes on wakeup. Do it early as a reaction and good chances are that a. Hornet will go through the hitbox and get hit, b. you will be in your invincibility time when whatever she was doing connects, and c. you'll clear some spikes you didn't have a good opportunity to before.
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Feb 18, 2019 09:55
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YF-23 posted:Going back to Hornet 2/general boss fight advice, abuse the hell out of Desolate Dive/Descending Dark, it gives you a disgusting amount of iframes on wakeup. Do it early as a reaction and good chances are that a. Hornet will go through the hitbox and get hit, b. you will be in your invincibility time when whatever she was doing connects, and c. you'll clear some spikes you didn't have a good opportunity to before. I finally killed her, I equipped Quick Slash and Lifeblood Heart then literally spammed her to death with the last nail upgrade. Cheesy as hell but after 40-50 attempts I am done trying decipher her tells, high speed, randomness/positioning and other bullshit. I've done everything else you can do, one or two shotting most of it including the dream bosses and this was holding me back. Now I can go....finish the game apparently since little else is left other than post game. I know everyone has a boss they have problems with so I was bound to hit one or two but man it was extremely frustrating to get held up on progression like this. Anyways thanks everyone for the advice and commiseration.
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Feb 18, 2019 14:46
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Johnny Joestar posted:their 'strength' she's referring to is the fact that they're both children of the basically godlike creature that ruled over hallownest. the two are absolutely related, but they're half-siblings and the abyss is not the shared parent. That doesn't make sense. The lack of "emptiness" pretty clearly is talking about the fact that she has a voice and desires and a will and so forth. The Hollow Knight's strength doesn't come from being the child/creation of the Pale King, it comes from the Void.
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Feb 18, 2019 18:07
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Hornet is also "the Gendered Child," which only makes sense if it's for some reason unusual for her to have a gender.
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Feb 18, 2019 18:11
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Also as of the Grimm Troupe DLC the White Lady talks about the Hollow Knight as her child so pointing to the (very ambiguous to begin with) intimations that Hornet is Herrah's child doesn't really tell us anything.
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Feb 18, 2019 18:15
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Hornet is deffo Herrah's child. The White Lady describes the Pale King having a "dalliance" with Herrah, and she has "some affection" for the creature birthed, that being Hornet.
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Feb 18, 2019 18:41
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DoctorWhat posted:Hornet is deffo Herrah's child. The White Lady describes the Pale King having a "dalliance" with Herrah. She also describes the Hollow Knight as her "spawn," which, as I said, is significantly less ambiguous re: exactly what it means. The Void isn't a parent. It's just what HK and Hornet are made of.
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Feb 18, 2019 18:45
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there's literally nothing ambiguous about herrah being hornet's mother, there's even an entire encounter in deepnest that makes it Incredibly Directly Obvious
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Feb 18, 2019 19:29
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Johnny Joestar posted:there's literally nothing ambiguous about herrah being hornet's mother, there's even an entire encounter in deepnest that makes it Incredibly Directly Obvious That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying it's not clear what Herrah being Hornet's mother actually means in terms of how she was created. Whether she was born the regular way, created from bits of their souls, or whatever. This is significant because since the Hollow Knight also has two "parents," one of whom even talks about him/it in terms of biological reproduction rather than just vague overtones, but HK was made from voidstuff, isn't a bug, fungus, or wyrm, etc. Which in turns means that nothing about having two parents rules out Hornet being basically just a variation on however Vessels are made. Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Feb 18, 2019 |
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Feb 18, 2019 19:33
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hornet doesn't show any signs or symptoms of being infused with void so i'll just assume shes not void until proven otherwise
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying it's not clear what Herrah being Hornet's mother actually means in terms of how she was created. Whether she was born the regular way, created from bits of their souls, or whatever. This is significant because since the Hollow Knight also has two "parents," one of whom even talks about him/it in terms of biological reproduction rather than just vague overtones, but HK was made from voidstuff, isn't a bug, fungus, or wyrm, etc. As I said before, the thing is, HK's biological body is the child of the Wyrm and Root - which then was sacrificed and had pure Void poured into it. That's the fundamental cruelty of the King's plan, it required the Pale King kill his own children to produce bodies capable of withstanding the Void inside them. This process obliterated the prior identity of the vessel in question; it's why the Vessels lack voices or conventional sex. (Compare to the Collector, who really is just a blob of shaped void-stuff.) Whether the HK is, in any real respect, the bug its body used to be, or just empty Void following instructions, is an open question.
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Feb 18, 2019 21:22
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Jetrauben posted:As I said before, the thing is, HK's biological body is the child of the Wyrm and Root - which then was sacrificed and had pure Void poured into it. That's the fundamental cruelty of the King's plan, it required the Pale King kill his own children to produce bodies capable of withstanding the Void inside them. This process obliterated the prior identity of the vessel in question; it's why the Vessels lack voices or conventional sex. (Compare to the Collector, who really is just a blob of shaped void-stuff.) Where is this ever mentioned? All I ever got out of the plot was the king considered the void beings his children since he created them. Edit: Or at least the original Hollow Knight.
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Feb 18, 2019 21:32
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Broken Cog posted:Where is this ever mentioned? All I ever got out of the plot was the king considered the void beings his children since he created them. It's the implication of the White Lady's dialogue, where she says that the Vessel contains some part of herself (and that's why she can sense it even given her loss of sight), especially given her acknowledgement of the Knight as one of her spawn if you show up with Grimmchild in tow. quote:Your companion's eyes burn with a familiar flame... Success then for the scarlet heart, and irony, to use my spawn to grow its own. Interestingly, she also compares Grimmchild to the Knight as sharing a similarity - presumably as vessels used in the propagation of their respective dynastic clans. We can also observe how the Mask-Maker describes masks working for bugs - placing an (enchanted?) mask over a being's face protects them but destroys much of their prior identity, implicitly confining it within the new one of the mask. Masks and faces are seen as somewhat synonymous for bugs; it's unclear how many of the bugs we see have their "natural" faces versus their masks, but they seem to functionally work identically to each other. The Knight's true face, incidentally, is also described as "hiding beneath" their outward face. Jetrauben fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Feb 18, 2019 |
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Feb 18, 2019 21:39
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I wish there were a Hot Spring by the Hornet fight in Kingdom's Edge. Like a lot of people I find that one bizarrely difficult and it's hard enough going in without starting it at 0 focus. There is no way I am going to go farm up a full meter each time I die.
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Feb 18, 2019 22:24
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Hell yeah, third Pantheon down  What does Godseeker Mode do?E: lmao The Eternal Ordeal C-Euro fucked around with this message at 06:16 on Feb 20, 2019 |
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C-Euro posted:Hell yeah, third Pantheon down It's just a new game that starts in the Godseeker realm with everything so you don't need to replay the game if you delete your save or something.
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