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Over There
Jun 28, 2013

by Azathoth

Hammer Bro. posted:

Gross.

Lucky me I got my quasi-legal, vaguely-targeted vengeance: after a whole lot of fiddling I got PSX-FF9 running on my Switch.

Then I patched it to have bonus content.


It's not the character, it's the principle.

I already had a pirated copy of Smash that I'd played for all of 10 minutes but my mother really wanted to get me something for Christmas so I figured a physical copy wouldn't go that badly; I tend to be the local Switch lending library.

Then she got upsold on a thing that I'm already against on principle and then that thing didn't even have all the content that I (naively) assumed justified its existence.

I don't like the direction the industry is heading down. Or I should say I'm sad to see Nintendo playing catch-up.

lmfaaoooooooo

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American McGay
Feb 28, 2010

by sebmojo

Hammer Bro. posted:

Gross.

Lucky me I got my quasi-legal, vaguely-targeted vengeance: after a whole lot of fiddling I got PSX-FF9 running on my Switch.

Then I patched it to have bonus content.


It's not the character, it's the principle.

I already had a pirated copy of Smash that I'd played for all of 10 minutes but my mother really wanted to get me something for Christmas so I figured a physical copy wouldn't go that badly; I tend to be the local Switch lending library.

Then she got upsold on a thing that I'm already against on principle and then that thing didn't even have all the content that I (naively) assumed justified its existence.

I don't like the direction the industry is heading down. Or I should say I'm sad to see Nintendo playing catch-up.
Kill him.

Jables88
Jul 26, 2010
Tortured By Flan

Hammer Bro. posted:

I've got 30-something physical Switch games. I've purchased Shovel Knight three times, and I might do it again when it gets a physical release.


Too often they create a perverse incentive for game developers.

Consider the old philosophy of game development: you created the best game you possibly could, then if people liked it you'd get money off of sales and have a more attentive audience if you chose to create a sequel.

Nowadays the model is shifting much more toward freemium games: you make a decent game that's bogged down with tedium or otherwise dangles the promise of goodness just out of reach and make your money off of incremental sales.

There are stronger incentives to create the best base game you can under the first philosophy. I see DLC as an additional shift toward the second philosophy.

Season Passes are a particularly bad example of this because now you're making money off of the implications that you'll probably do something desirable in the future but the end user will save money if they buy it sight-unseen.

I recognize that Nintendo has not done wrong in this department yet, but I still don't like them going down that path. I have no doubt that Smash will have good DLC (Sakurai is a passionate man), though one could argue that the pricing model is still unsavory.


I got over my love affair with Smash by the time Brawl came out. I pirated the game to see if I'd enjoy the single-player campaign enough to offer it up as a holiday gift idea were people looking; I wouldn't've touched it otherwise.

It rankles a bit to have my one concrete experience with paid add-ons confirm my world-view that they strongly encourage nickel-and-diming tactics. Especially when those nickels-and-dimes come from a tech-unsavvy old lady.

Jesus Christ. I mean Jesus Christ.

Quantum of Phallus
Dec 27, 2010

Hammer that MFin ignore button!!!

Sam Faust
Feb 20, 2015

Maybe if I just keep posting they'll realize how right I am.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Quantum of Phallus posted:

Hammer that MFin ignore button!!!

Ignore is for cowards, read the posts and F̸̡͎͚̲̠̻͇͇͚̭̺̳̣̩̋̈ͧͬ͐͆̅ͨͪ̆ͯͭ̊̑͊̃ͪͣ͢͡A̵̱̩̰̙̬̩͖͓͖͈̼͈̥͙̪̮̟ͭͫ͑ͬ̊͢͞͠C̹̭̻͎̭̺̜̱̯̝͉̰̝̪̣͙̼̎ͧ͊͆͢ͅE̶̫̳̩̙̩͙̫̥̺̖̮̳ͮͪ͋̽ͪͪ̊͂̉ͭ̿ͫ̎́̚͟ ̨͎̦̳͕̦̹̱͈͉ͩ̊̓ͭ̇͌̒̽̈́̑̈̓̇ͅT̶͒͌̉ͦ̇͌ͨ̐ͬͬͥ̉̋̐҉̦͖̜͖̲Ò̡͕̺̠͖̥̉ͪ̍̿͂́̾́͋͛͂̈̇͋ͩ͊̔͡͝ ̡̛͊̐͐̏̓̋̾̍̚҉̣̲̻̺B̶̷̳̭̙̠͔̪̱̻̫͖͚ͯͤͧͬ͞ͅL̵̢̢͍͕̲̲̟̩̳͖̜͎̜̣̻̰̙̞͔͊ͧ͂ͨ̽̎ͬ̋ͣ̿͒͆̒̿͐̓̐͗̚͞͡O͂̍ͣ́͐͐̊̾̑͆͑̇ͪ҉̵̪̠̥̰̟͈͓O̸̯̥̮͎̲̰̭̜͌̇̏͋͂ͫ͗̚ͅD͙̝͖̭̩͔͚͇̻̠̝̜͙̐͒̄͒ͧͫ̂ͮ̂̽̌̍͋͜͞͞ͅS̷̶̨̘͈̪̝̠̗̲͕̯̑͌̒ͧͭͣ̊̌ͅḦ̢̨̢̡̳̹͇͎̼̙̱ͩͧ̽Ȅ̴̷̛̫̲̤̥̪̰̜̝̙̦͉̲̹͔ͧ͂̆̆̾̍͐͊͋̓̉̄ͤ̀̋̀͞D̒ͯ͊ͧͣ̎̊͋͊̌̆́҉̫̠̠͚̳͓͖̗̰̬ͅ

Your Computer
Oct 3, 2008




Grimey Drawer

Hammer Bro. posted:

Gross.

Lucky me I got my quasi-legal, vaguely-targeted vengeance: after a whole lot of fiddling I got PSX-FF9 running on my Switch.

Then I patched it to have bonus content.


It's not the character, it's the principle.

I already had a pirated copy of Smash that I'd played for all of 10 minutes but my mother really wanted to get me something for Christmas so I figured a physical copy wouldn't go that badly; I tend to be the local Switch lending library.

Then she got upsold on a thing that I'm already against on principle and then that thing didn't even have all the content that I (naively) assumed justified its existence.

I don't like the direction the industry is heading down. Or I should say I'm sad to see Nintendo playing catch-up.

:ok:

Quantum of Phallus
Dec 27, 2010

lmao at mother posting.

Super No Vacancy
Jul 26, 2012

:gas:

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Anime_Otaku posted:

Anyone got Steins;Gate Elite? Reviews seem good but I thought I’d ask as it’s £50+ so I can’t decide if I should get it or wait for a sale, maybe I will get Nekopara instead since it’s on sale... I’m kidding.










I’m not kidding, I know it’s trash but it sounds like it’s goofy fun and apparently some players think the censored version is more enjoyable.

Steins gate is really good but uh censored what?

Anime_Otaku
Dec 6, 2009
Nekopara on PC has nudity in it, the console versions don’t.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

CharlestheHammer posted:

Steins gate is really good but uh censored what?

Generally any JPN visual novel has some contrived reason for including pornograpy.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

pentyne posted:

Generally any JPN visual novel has some contrived reason for including pornograpy.

I mean the two I’ve played didn’t.

Including Steinsgate.

404notfound
Mar 5, 2006

stop staring at me

So my Jumpgate also came with a pack of Skull & Co.'s stick-on colored button caps and d-pads (these ones). It's all just attached with little 3M adhesive pads so it's not a big deal to try it out, but how have people found d-padded joycons (whether through hardware mods or just attachments like this one) to work when held sideways in single joycon mode? Does it ever pose a problem when hitting buttons?

Looper
Mar 1, 2012

jackhunter64 posted:

Baby Park doot doot doot doot doot doot

hi it's me from four days in the future and gently caress you

asecondduck
Feb 18, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo

Looper posted:

hi it's me from four days in the future and gently caress you

gently caress you for bringing it forward in time after I had forgotten it was posted

Tender Bender
Sep 17, 2004

Hammer Bro. posted:

So I'm already against DLC on principle. But when my mom was picking up a late-Christmas Smash Bros. at Gamestop, the guy made the pretty easy pitch to her of, "If they like Smash Bros. they're gonna want all the characters. For extra $$ you can get the bundled code which comes with all the characters. They'll cost more otherwise."

Finally got around to taking my system online to play some sweet T99 goodness, figured I'd update my games while I'm at it.

That pay-extra-to-save-money-by-getting-all-the-characters (whomever they may be) thing doesn't actually include the Piranha Plant. And the window for getting it for "free" has closed on me 'cause I didn't go out of my way to fact-check that the thing colloquially described as "all the DLC" in fact included all the DLC.

I'm not even sure I wanna play the game at all anymore.

Worst part is, I registered the DLC that I have not used and may not use just 'cause the receipt it was on was falling apart, so I can't even pawn it off on someone else.

I just wanna emphasize that this entire thing is that you're mad at Nintendo because a gamestop employee lied to your mom, and also you did get the piranha plant anyway you just didn't follow the instructions to register it

Tender Bender fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Feb 19, 2019

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007
I can’t figure out if this dude is better or worse than “Selling my Switch a month or two after launch and then rebuying one when a new game comes out” guy.

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




Nintendo owes mom an apology

Dr Cheeto
Mar 2, 2013
Wretched Harp
I heard nintendog is the next fighter

Schlitzkrieg Bop
Sep 19, 2005

DLC Inc posted:

DLC is great when it allows devs to create more fun stuff for an already-complete game i.e. Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Darkest Dungeon, etc etc

DLC is loving trash when it serves to gate things that would have otherwise been basic concepts and features and/or nickle and dime you for extremely basic poo poo like stages or music tracks. Best example of this is Street Fighter V which doesn't give you a single loving thing outside of the base roster. Nearly half of the game, stages/characters/tracks/costumes included, is behind a ridiculous amount of paid DLC. On the flipside Capcom's other people in Dev Group 1 provided Resident Evil 2 DLC free of charge so it really depends on the people making poo poo.

For Street Fighter, I guess it's a natural evolution of their constant incremental updates to base games that were issued as totally separate products, a practice it pretty much invented (outside of things like sports games I guess).

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

:canada:

Dr Cheeto posted:

I heard nintendog is the next fighter

It's just a Duck Hunt dog alt skin. :sigh:

Policenaut
Jul 11, 2008

On the moon... they don't make Neo Kobe Pizza.

Schlitzkrieg Bop posted:

For Street Fighter, I guess it's a natural evolution of their constant incremental updates to base games that were issued as totally separate products, a practice it pretty much invented (outside of things like sports games I guess).

Yeah, Street Fighter since its conception has been doing incremental version updates and SF5 adhering to the standard annual fighting game season pass rule is nothing new.

Your Computer
Oct 3, 2008




Grimey Drawer

Mister Facetious posted:

It's just a Duck Hunt dog alt skin. :sigh:

my mom I would pay for DLC skins in smash tbh

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




Sfv dlc seasons suck rear end mostly because sfv is a terrible fighting game and partly because nobody should have to pay 30 for sillouettes

Policenaut
Jul 11, 2008

On the moon... they don't make Neo Kobe Pizza.

Real hurthling! posted:

Sfv dlc seasons suck rear end mostly because sfv is a terrible fighting game and partly because nobody should have to pay 30 for sillouettes

Season 3 was revealed entirely up front making Capcom (more or less) the only fighting game company in the market right now to tell you ahead of time what you're getting.

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




Policenaut posted:

Season 3 was revealed entirely up front making Capcom (more or less) the only fighting game company in the market right now to tell you ahead of time what you're getting.

They had to do that after season 2 was a complete travesty of who da gently caress

Dr. VooDoo
May 4, 2006


Hammer Bro. posted:

Gross.

Lucky me I got my quasi-legal, vaguely-targeted vengeance: after a whole lot of fiddling I got PSX-FF9 running on my Switch.

Then I patched it to have bonus content.


It's not the character, it's the principle.

I already had a pirated copy of Smash that I'd played for all of 10 minutes but my mother really wanted to get me something for Christmas so I figured a physical copy wouldn't go that badly; I tend to be the local Switch lending library.

Then she got upsold on a thing that I'm already against on principle and then that thing didn't even have all the content that I (naively) assumed justified its existence.

I don't like the direction the industry is heading down. Or I should say I'm sad to see Nintendo playing catch-up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUmLjTOkHzs

A True Jar Jar Fan
Nov 3, 2003

Primadonna

Street Fighter 5 is egregious because its DLC cost way more than SF4's expansions for way less content and it was just a worse game overall

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




A True Jar Jar Fan posted:

Street Fighter 5 is egregious because its DLC cost way more than SF4's expansions for way less content and it was just a worse game overall

Yes


Oh yessss

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006

Street Fighter V is great value if your fetish is scantily clad women with huge hands.

Policenaut
Jul 11, 2008

On the moon... they don't make Neo Kobe Pizza.

Real hurthling! posted:

They had to do that after season 2 was a complete travesty of who da gently caress

Oh God yeah season 2 was a disaster because they pitched it as The Entirely Brand New Street Fighter Characters Season* (featuring Akuma) and it turned out everyone was like a D-list flunky from Final Fight, cameo character from the comic books, or someone from like one panel in the story mode that you saw for 2 seconds.

HPanda
Sep 5, 2008

Tender Bender posted:

I just wanna emphasize that this entire thing is that you're mad at Nintendo because a gamestop employee lied to your mom, and also you did get the piranha plant anyway you just didn't follow the instructions to register it

No one ever reads the instructions. I teach composition online, and too many students just see an assignment title and make whatever they assume it's supposed to be based on that.

Nintendo could have sent E-mails, explanations of the process on the product itself, put out articles on the web and in their own news section on the system home menu, and popped up multiple reminders in-gamethey did, and many people still wouldn't get it because something or other wasn't what they assumed it would be.

Commissar Ken
Dec 9, 2006

Children STILL love me, dammit!


LIVE AMMO ROLEPLAY posted:

Street Fighter V is great value if your fetish is bad mechanics choices and frames of delay.

Let me assist you here.

SilkyP
Jul 21, 2004

The Boo-Box

Waltzing Along posted:

And Wind Waker was so stupid looking before it came out. But now it's a classic.

LA remake looks amazing.

Wind Waker is not LA but OK

JohnnySmitch
Oct 20, 2004

Don't touch me there - Noone has that right.
Is Moonlighter any good? It’s currently on sale. I remember hearing it was a little repetitive on release, but I know it’s gotten a couple updates since, and looks like it might be my jam...

Anime_Otaku
Dec 6, 2009
I got it for Christmas, it’s fun though I don’t tend to play it for extended periods of time, it’s a good time to dive in as it just got an update and apparently it’s not retroactive.

thechalkoutline
Jul 8, 2006



JohnnySmitch posted:

Is Moonlighter any good? It’s currently on sale. I remember hearing it was a little repetitive on release, but I know it’s gotten a couple updates since, and looks like it might be my jam...

It's got a great core loop. It can be a wee bit buggy, and probably its greatest sin is being a bit easy but there are difficulty modes and semblance of new game +, but hey it's on sale so

Inzombiac
Mar 19, 2007

PARTY ALL NIGHT

EAT BRAINS ALL DAY


Moonlighter is good but there just isn't a lot to it.

You upgrade your items and shop with materials you find and money you make.
The inventory management is also a puzzle that is more annoying than fun.

There are four dungeons but they are all basically the same, just with different dressing.

Nice to see that they are updating it because it was a bore at launch.

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Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe
In Hollow Knight is the charm that gives you longer range on your nail a good take or will it just make you bad when you inevitably have to take it off?

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