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Were they long bows ? I seem to remember they weren’t horse friendly
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The bow Legolas gets in Lorien is significantly bigger and more powerful than the bow he started out with, which gets called out as ineffectual at long range in Moria.
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Feb 17, 2019 00:07
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Hogge Wild posted:Nice! Twinks using longbows is one of my pet peeves. You need much more strength to use a proper warbow than a sword or an axe. This is a delightfully specific pet peeve. And now that it's been mentioned, I'll never be able to un-see it again...
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Feb 17, 2019 02:20
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warbows have draw weights in the 100+ pound range, the Mary Rose bows were like 140lb draw weights. thats doing a row of a 100lb dumbell every time you shoot. a sword weighs max like 9lbs for some of the biggest practical zweihanders in the 1600s, and normal one handed swords top out at like 3lbs. Being strong never hurts, and only helps, but you dont need to be a barbarian. also it never makes sense that dwarves and hobbits use scaled down weapons. they are plenty strong enough to use full size ones, and it would be even more important for people with short arms to have longer weapons.
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Feb 17, 2019 07:30
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skasion posted:The ears Tolkien seems to have assumed rather than described (of course elves have pointy ears, they’re elves, let’s not waste words about it). The long hair is a generalization from a few examples, because if Tolkien describes someone’s hair at length (haha) he usually describes it in a way that makes it seem pretty long. But I’ve never imagined Legolas for example with long hair since I read JRRT’s bad-tempered defense of him as a jacked badass, though nothing in that passage actually precludes it. Being immortal Elves could have hilariously long hair if they wanted to. Although maybe their hair doesn't grow at the same rate as that of Men.
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Feb 17, 2019 07:39
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Ginette Reno posted:Being immortal Elves could have hilariously long hair if they wanted to. Hair length depends on your follicle life cycle, not your age. Though I suppose elves could have immortal follicles, why not. Though that raises the entertaining possibility of elven ear hair and nose hair also cascading luxuriously down to their ankles. We need an illustrator to tackle that, stat.
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Feb 17, 2019 10:04
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Runcible Cat posted:Hair length depends on your follicle life cycle, not your age. Though I suppose elves could have immortal follicles, why not.
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Feb 17, 2019 11:00
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Basic grooming is part of the wide range of skills considered "Elvish magic" by the inbred farming folk of Eriador. Was Elrond "releasing the waters of the Bruinen" magic or did he just have an Elf open a floodgate at a dam upriver? Is Athelas a herb empowered by the hands of certain Noble bloodlines or does it simply have antiseptic qualities when crushed in hot water and applied to nasty wounds?
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Feb 17, 2019 16:58
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https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1096408805905117185
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Feb 19, 2019 16:07
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https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1097495925163868162?s=19 A second age series centered around the creation of the rings leading into the war between the elves and Sauron could work. There's enough high-profile named characters involved and its "epic" enough for TV. Plus the chance to show Sauron as presenting his good side is made for TV. Introduce Numenor throughout the first season leading to a focus on it in the second with the Last Alliance for the third 
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Feb 19, 2019 16:19
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I'm not sure whether to be excited about Amazon LotR or not. After decades of "dream casting" and speculation about what a live-action adaptation might look like, Jackson's seemed (to me) like a best-case scenario at the time. It had its issues, but on the whole I could not have been happier with how well it was pulled off and how well it achieved the goal of mainstreaming Tolkien without really compromising it. Years since then have laid raw a lot of the failures and flaws that weren't apparent to me at the time, but I still have a hard time imagining someone doing vastly better. And if they're not going to do it vastly better (and by what definition of "better?), what's the goal?  obviously, but... like, do they think they can get closer thematically to the story? Adhere better to the text? Make it more cerebral (or more actiony)? They're not mainstreaming a niche nerdy property anymore, they're going up against one of the biggest blockbuster series of all time, and presumably trying to improve on it somehow. Do we know anything about what they're aiming to accomplish here?
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Feb 19, 2019 16:25
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Data Graham posted:I'm not sure whether to be excited about Amazon LotR or not. Yeah I'm kinda assuming it's gonna be a shitshow catastrophe. It is crazy to me that people are still using and making new Jackson LotR memes twenty years later.
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Feb 19, 2019 16:30
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I’m going to call a major Haradrim character.
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Feb 19, 2019 16:32
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Amazon LOTR is almost certainly not dealing with Fellowship/Two Towers/King material, at least directly, it's going to tell a different part of the legendarium. Calenardhon on the map they posted yesterday is the pre-Rohan name for Rohan which is a big hint it's a second age story. I am really hoping they do not cop the movie's aesthetics too closely. I agree that they are about the best possible LotR movies of the time and the dark and gritty tone accurately reflects the post-apocalyptic Middle Earth of the late third age; the second age should look a lot different - more vibrant but with hints of ruined Beleriand/first age everywhere. e I will be happy if everyones wearing chainmail idc about the rest my bony fealty fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Feb 19, 2019 |
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Feb 19, 2019 16:35
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There’s no reason why “Calenardhon” has to mean Second Age. Rohan is very newfangled, it’s existed for barely 500 years by the time of LOTR. If it is about the making of the rings I would really expect Eregion to be on there since that’s where the magic happens and all. Then again, there’s no Numenorean kingdoms marked on there either.
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Feb 19, 2019 17:31
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Christopher Tolkien seems to have been the primary stickler in not licensing first age material and he isn't directly running the Tolkien estate anymore so it's possible this series won't have to do the weird dance of all the authors knowing the material but not being allowed to reference any of it
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Feb 19, 2019 17:37
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Every time I see that map I'm jarred by Mordor's mountain borders. It just looks so unnatural
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Feb 19, 2019 17:37
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It’s backwards Hungry
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Feb 19, 2019 17:39
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Lindon on that map probably means itll have Gilgalad's kingdom. It's weird that Eregion's not there though, hope they don't just conflate the two for dummy viewers
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Feb 19, 2019 18:05
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They may put more stuff on the map later, they have two more lines of the poem to go at least.
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Feb 19, 2019 18:06
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Ravenfood posted:Every time I see that map I'm jarred by Mordor's mountain borders. It just looks so unnatural Superimpose it over a map of Ohio. The parallel is obvious.
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Feb 19, 2019 18:58
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Is it just me or does that Prime map seem to emphasize the West and South of Middle Earth more than usual? Edit: East and South sunday at work fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Feb 19, 2019 |
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Feb 19, 2019 19:08
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The southern extent is not unusual, it goes to Umbar more or less which is common. The eastern extent is unusual. I can’t immediately think of another map that shows anything of note beyond the Sea of Rhun.
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Feb 19, 2019 19:13
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I recall having seen those mountains beyond rhun before somewhere. I hope they'll throw in Dorwinion
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Feb 19, 2019 20:59
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Ravenfood posted:Every time I see that map I'm jarred by Mordor's mountain borders. It just looks so unnatural This is intentional, I have a reliable source that tells me the screen time will be more or less half spent showing balrogs smashing mountains into castle shaped walls for at least all of season one.
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Feb 19, 2019 21:53
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Melkor put Mount Doom there, I don’t have any problem believing he put the other mountains there as well.
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Feb 19, 2019 21:58
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Data Graham posted:
I reckon they're just going to go for the GoT sex and violence and incest and monsters demographic; the chances of it having anything recognisably Tolkienian bar the names seems pretty remote. Not that I wouldn't love the chance to see Sauron in full-on Annatar mode, but... skasion posted:The southern extent is not unusual, it goes to Umbar more or less which is common. And what's the weird fuzzy bit in the Sea of Rhun itself? It's definitely a part of the map; you can see that on the bigger version: https://www.amazon.com/adlp/lotronprime
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Feb 19, 2019 22:12
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I'll probably watch this corporate fanfic.
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Feb 19, 2019 22:21
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I am extremely on board with new and interesting attempts at using Tolkien's setting. What I am not into is rehashing bullshit or some lame rear end "The Adventures of Aragorn" prequel. I forgave Shadow of Mordor and Shadow of War for a lot because they actually did something new and interesting with Tolkien. I don't think their specific path of filling in details Tolkien left unsaid is the way forward though. However taking the Second Age and just going ham is something I think would be super loving cool. The Second Age is so underrepresented that you could tell cool stories that are wholly independent of the greater narrative, but still carry dramatic weight and import.
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Feb 19, 2019 22:23
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Who cares imo, unless the writers are really strong (and there’s no reason to believe this because so far a grand total of 0 people have been associated with actually making this show). Tolkien’s setting is not a good thing in its own right, it’s good because it’s the setting of the good stories that Tolkien wrote. With input from hacks, all you will get is hack output.
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Feb 19, 2019 22:26
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I can’t wait for the Amazon LOTR porno featuring one battle in the pilot episode for fanservice
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Feb 19, 2019 22:59
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HIJK posted:I can’t wait for the Amazon LOTR porno featuring one battle in the pilot episode for fanservice We're gonna get an extensive backstory on the Mouth of Sauron, aren't we
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Feb 19, 2019 23:18
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HIJK posted:I can’t wait for the Amazon LOTR porno featuring one battle in the pilot episode for fanservice Now this I would actually watch.
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Feb 20, 2019 00:19
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Numenor show starring Ian McDiarmid as the Lord of Gifts when??
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Feb 20, 2019 00:35
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I thought that the big LOTR licensing effort that led to the movies and all the games etc from Warner only encompassed material in the three LOTR books and not anything else? I suppose that means the Appendices are in scope but that anything from the Sil etc. was off limits. Unless the Tolkien estate has made new arrangements.
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Feb 20, 2019 00:59
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Youtube informs me there's a trailer for a movie about the young JRRT, called "Tolkien," starring the dude who played Nux in Fury Road as the eponymous Tolkien. I am terrible at judging if movies will be okay or not based on trailers though.
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Feb 20, 2019 01:31
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It’s a really good trailer imo. Doubt the movie will be worth much
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Feb 20, 2019 01:43
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hannibal posted:I thought that the big LOTR licensing effort that led to the movies and all the games etc from Warner only encompassed material in the three LOTR books and not anything else? I suppose that means the Appendices are in scope but that anything from the Sil etc. was off limits. Unless the Tolkien estate has made new arrangements. Yeah, Chris Tolkien stepped down and his heirs promptly flogged the lot.
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Feb 20, 2019 07:59
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Hahahaha yessss Listening to Olsen talking about wanting to get NORO LIM as a license plate, and he said "There's only one better license plate I can think of, and I've always wanted to get it, but it's taken already in New Hampshire", and I was thinking to myself "Iiiiiii bet I know what it is, it's the one I've wanted my whole life too, but no way, that would be too perfect" — "HRUDUDU"
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