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http://www.casualvillain.com/Unsounded/comic/ch14/ch14_03.html That explains a lot about Rogie-boy's willingness to lose his mind in exchange for the destruction of his country. He led a separatist rebellion, failed, and is now one of the few survivors of the retaliatory genocide.
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It doesn't sound like it was failing until after he'd defected/been abducted/whatever to Cresce, that was what hosed them over.
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Whatever their plan is, I think it's pretty clear that Sonorie and Roger are cooperating, which makes me sincerely doubt he was abducted. I think it's more likely he's discovered some way to permanently strike out at Alderode, and abandoned his smaller rebellion in favor of working with Cresce for a bigger strike. I'm super interested in what Sonorie's plan actually IS. She's opposed to senseless killing, was unwilling to unleash the silver, but is still planning something she describes as an "assault" using the soul map of a Copper and the mind-nuking powers of a rape-snake. She opposes overt violence and war, apparently even when she could have thrown her weight behind the Foi-Helleck rebellion and REALLY hosed up Alderode's day. She clearly expects her plan to grant her decisive but relatively bloodless victory over Alderode.
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TheFuzzyLumpkin posted:Whatever their plan is, I think it's pretty clear that Sonorie and Roger are cooperating, which makes me sincerely doubt he was abducted. I think it's more likely he's discovered some way to permanently strike out at Alderode, and abandoned his smaller rebellion in favor of working with Cresce for a bigger strike. We just learned that Alderode can use the Dammakhert to remotely kill people connected to it. My guess is she's trying to figure out how it works, so she can just wipe out their government without firing a shot.
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Cryophage posted:We just learned that Alderode can use the Dammakhert to remotely kill people connected to it. My guess is she's trying to figure out how it works, so she can just wipe out their government without firing a shot. That makes sense; she was studying him to gain insight into how it worked, right?
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Cryophage posted:We just learned that Alderode can use the Dammakhert to remotely kill people connected to it. My guess is she's trying to figure out how it works, so she can just wipe out their government without firing a shot. We knew that about the Dammakhert already - Elka and Toma talked about it back in chapter six. Quigley used to work for the branch of the government that did it. From that info and the info Duane's just given us, it seems like the standard procedure was knocking suspects into comas, then dragging them back for trial, but when the crime was open rebellion against the government they stopped bothering with trials and just went straight to summary executions. If you can use the dammakhert to knock people comatose for extended periods of time, it seems pretty obvious you can use it to kill people, because it's allowing for remote casting on their bodies. I think their plan is probably more complex than just wiping out the Aldish government, if for no other reason than it would be a lot easier to try and flip/suborn people with access to that power and just use them to assassinate Aldish leaders. There's definitely less risk doing that than tangling with something as horrible as Ruck.
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I figure she and Roger want the Dammakhert destroyed, ending the caste system and Alderode's best authoritarian tools in one fell swoop. Doing it by territorial conquest is one thing - and was a central pillar of the Foi-Hellick Affair - but is ludicrously expensive in blood and treasure and, you know, hasn't been successful despite regular Cresce-Alderode wars for quite some time. Khert cyberwarfare on the other hand? I swear there was a line about how what they're looking for in Roger's head involves stuff he doesn't even know he knows. Like the nature of the castes and their connection to the Dammakhert?
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man this chapter's going to just be a continuous reminder that duane's patriotic duty consisted mainly of training and deploying child soldiers, isn't it
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Oxxidation posted:man this chapter's going to just be a continuous reminder that duane's patriotic duty consisted mainly of training and deploying child soldiers, isn't it It's been a while since we got a good reminder about how messed up Duane patriotism makes him, so yeah, I expect every kid will die horribly.
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Yeah, for as hosed up as Cresce is, Alderode makes them look like pikers in the war crimes department. Because these aren't just child soldiers, these are child soldiers who were bred to be child soldiers under a slavery-style caste system.
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Yeah pretty much everywhere sucks by the looks of it. Your choices are a fascist hell state full of public executions, a surveillance and murder network, and good ol fashioned xenophobia, a friendly socialist utopia hiding horrifying religious practices, government cover-ups, magical weapons of mass destruction and horror, a possible impending coup and a horrifying snake man pulling the strings, or an anarcho-capitalist kleptocracy with a puppet government basically run by the mob. Everything sucks forever.
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Time to say gently caress it and just move to New Arlit and hope that neither Cresce nor Alderode start using weapons of mass destruction.
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habeasdorkus posted:Yeah, for as hosed up as Cresce is, Alderode makes them look like pikers in the war crimes department. Because these aren't just child soldiers, these are child soldiers who were bred to be child soldiers under a slavery-style caste system. Second part's not actually true. Castes are a side-effect of the dammakhert - people are born into them naturally in Alderode. If non-Aldish go to Alderode and bone down, their kid will be born as one of the castes (assigned randomly if their parents had no caste.) Plats get a raw deal but they were not bred into existence via a slavery caste system.
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TheFuzzyLumpkin posted:Second part's not actually true. Castes are a side-effect of the dammakhert - people are born into them naturally in Alderode. If non-Aldish go to Alderode and bone down, their kid will be born as one of the castes (assigned randomly if their parents had no caste.) But they are raised as child soldiers under a system that strictly defines what Plats are allowed to do regardless of how they're born. Point taken that they weren't specifically bred to have short lives as part of the Aldish system.
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Yeah, you're never going to catch me defending a government in this body of fiction, they're all universally awful. Unsounded's narrative is very much in conversation about the nature of monstrosity, from a personal level to an institutional level. Duane the undead, who considers himself an irredeemable monster, when the narrative explores how his failings are not the fact that he's a rotting zombie, but the moral blindness inspired by his existence in the only place his religion was allowed to exist. Sette the child thief, who is terrified she's some kind of monster instead of a human, where her awful personality is derived from the fact that she's an abused child raised with a monstrous moral outlook (courtesy of the very human Nary). Mutilated Cutter, whose monstrosity derives from his decisions, to Bastion, Nary, Delicieu, Starfish, General Bell, Ruck, Queen Sonorie - and then moving into institutions. Every government in the story is its own variety of monstrous, as is basically every institution we see, from criminal gangs all the way up to major religions. Unsounded is perpetually offering commentary on what, exactly, monstrosity is and means. Which means that yeaaaah, it's probably never going to be a very happy narrative, but it'll definitely be an interesting one.
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for all of sette's quotations, there's no single panel or line of dialogue that sums up the frummagem outlook on the world better than nary-a-care casually pocketing beadle's ashtrays while he's ranting about politics
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Glagha posted:Yeah pretty much everywhere sucks by the looks of it. Your choices are a fascist hell state full of public executions, a surveillance and murder network, and good ol fashioned xenophobia, a friendly socialist utopia hiding horrifying religious practices, government cover-ups, magical weapons of mass destruction and horror, a possible impending coup and a horrifying snake man pulling the strings, or an anarcho-capitalist kleptocracy with a puppet government basically run by the mob. Everything sucks forever. Ulestria's pretty nice unless the Gefendur thing is a dealbreaker for you. They're a Crescian client state but that still puts them at a remove from the Diabolical Schemes and imperialism.
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Oxxidation posted:for all of sette's quotations, there's no single panel or line of dialogue that sums up the frummagem outlook on the world better than nary-a-care casually pocketing beadle's ashtrays while he's ranting about politics that is an exceptional panel I don't know if it's my favorite so far, partly because not having Ruck is a serious flaw, but it's amazing
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Ulestria's pretty nice unless the Gefendur thing is a dealbreaker for you. They're a Crescian client state but that still puts them at a remove from the Diabolical Schemes and imperialism. Yeah that's probably the best choice if you got to pick. Still living under the shadow of Cresce but you could do worse. Gefendur isn't so bad most of the time except for the occasional child sacrifice.
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TheFuzzyLumpkin posted:Second part's not actually true. Castes are a side-effect of the dammakhert - people are born into them naturally in Alderode. If non-Aldish go to Alderode and bone down, their kid will be born as one of the castes (assigned randomly if their parents had no caste.) I don't think that's actually true. Tains aren't actually part of the original caste system for example, they got conquered by the old kingdom of alderode and all these people not hooked into the magical caste system got declared a new seperate caste. But that does bring up the fact that the aldish government didn't actually create the caste system, it was already around when they overthrew the monarchy.
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Nope, the Tains are special for some reason, and totally immune to the dammakhert's physical fuckery (but not other effects, like the stings). So the Souds are not a proper caste as assigned by the dammakhert, which is one of the reasons they're discriminated against, and are biologically unaffected by it no matter what. http://unsoundedcomic.tumblr.com/post/169486572865/theoretically-if-two-non-alds-had-a-child-within#notes http://unsoundedcomic.tumblr.com/post/103475160220/youve-said-as-a-soud-duane-sees-the-casts-a-bit#notes http://unsoundedcomic.tumblr.com/post/102723749215/can-plats-have-children-with-other-races-if-a#notes This hasn't come up in the actual comic yet but now that the story's in Alderode it probably will. TheFuzzyLumpkin fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Feb 22, 2019 |
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Good news! Duane isn't leading the children directly into battle, he's just using them as magical artillery in a war zone. That's much better! (The sad part is that I actually was a bit relieved when I realized that the plat children weren't marching into battle themselves, because that's what I was expecting.)
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Glagha posted:Yeah that's probably the best choice if you got to pick. Still living under the shadow of Cresce but you could do worse. Gefendur isn't so bad most of the time except for the occasional child sacrifice. 'Fair'.
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TheFuzzyLumpkin posted:Nope, the Tains are special for some reason, and totally immune to the dammakhert's physical fuckery (but not other effects, like the stings). http://unsoundedcomic.tumblr.com/post/182925196490/do-stings-work-against-golds#notes
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Agaragon posted:http://unsoundedcomic.tumblr.com/post/182925196490/do-stings-work-against-golds#notes That explains a lot--no poo poo that a police state tacitly encourages discrimination against people immune to one of its most important weapons.
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Roland Jones posted:Good news! Duane isn't leading the children directly into battle, he's just using them as magical artillery in a war zone. That's much better! I mean, that may be their intended war purpose but you and I both know those kids are gonna end up infantry before this chapter is over and we ALL know at least one of those kids ain't makin' it home, because this is Unsounded
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the dammakhert is something that can be dismantled, it and the existence of the castes is a thing that is protected and sustained so yeah these plat kids are basically actually being bred into existence as child soldiers
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AH-DEL-EE-YAY
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So like... what happened in the page before this one. Who was glamored?
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GunnerJ posted:So like... what happened in the page before this one. Who was glamored? The rebel captain that Lemuel nearly stabbed in the eye? Turns out he was the loyalist captain who's pissed at Lemmy. A rebel mage was glamouring him so that he'd be killed by his own troops. And presumably, the real rebel captain was out there, looking like the loyalist captain, and killing loyalist soldiers who weren't wary of him. Sound magical tactics.
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The captain. The enemy wright had him done up like he was another enemy. Duane just stopped his brother from killing his own commanding officer.
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Okay, thanks, that makes perfect sense. I guess I just hadn't paid attention to the captain before this, thought at first he was mad for having the glamor removed which was, uh, confusing.
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She is really good at making names with stupid loving pronunciations. 'Adelier' is NOT said 'Adeliyay' Sette is not said 'setty' the gently caress.Cat Mattress posted:And presumably, the real rebel captain was out there, looking like the loyalist captain, and killing loyalist soldiers who weren't wary of him. Sound magical tactics. Right up till his disguise randomly and suddenly expires... that's gotta be awkward when you're tryna line up a backstab. Motherfucker fucked around with this message at 07:17 on Mar 3, 2019 |
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Adelier kinda looked French to me, and France's rules for how pronunciation of letters goes basically comes from another planet, so I can see it working like that. Still not gonna make me change how I pronounce Dwayne though.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Still not gonna make me change how I pronounce Dwayne though. word
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Yeah, I assumed from the start that it was Adel-ee-yay. I actually only started to question it after I found out about "Setty."
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make mockery posted:shartes I said it exactly as its presented with absolutely no hesitation... I mean part of the joke is Sharteshane is a shithole right? lemme guess its 'Shar-tes' or something despite that not sounding anything like a slightly derogatory contraction used to refer to a large group. Motherfucker fucked around with this message at 07:51 on Mar 3, 2019 |
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its pronounced exactly such but the author actually didnt know that shart was a sorta-word
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Like how the first Dragon Age wanted to make sure you never stopped thinking about the taint.
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