|
Cease to Hope posted:Huh. The dude with the non-white accent is infantilized, while a white child is supernaturally competent. Interesting. they're both supernatural you ding dong, that's why anakin spinning like a doof and blowing up a spaceship happens at the same time as jar jar blowing up tanks and poo poo
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 20:33
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 31, 2024 20:18 |
|
|
Cease to Hope posted:Huh. The dude with the non-white accent is infantilized, while a white child is supernaturally competent. Interesting. Jar Jar's just as competent, name one thing that he fails to set out to do. It's interesting that you think the white child is "supernaturally competent" tho considering his failure at talking the jedi into saving his mother, or talking the jedi into freeing the slaves despite his prophetic vision that they would. Very interesting, indeed.
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 20:33
|
|
|
Grendels Dad posted:You are certainly a busy bee so I apologise for bringing up this old post. My question was: why would you bring up Watto there, it makes zero sense as a rebuttal to the comparison the other poster made. Because he was suggesting an alternate thematic connection for Nute, Jar Jar, and Watto than the ones I was using, that's all. ruddiger posted:Jar Jar's just as competent, name one thing that he fails to set out to do. he fails to eat, he covers himself in oil with an oil can, he gets his hand stuck in anakin's engine look go back and reread the posts answering your dumbass questions and stop wasting my time Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Feb 20, 2019 |
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 20:34
|
|
|
Cease to Hope posted:If you can't remember a single time Jar-Jar screws things up in TPM, consider not participating in discussions about TPM. In a film where Qui-gon Jinn mission to negotiate a settlement provokes a full scale invasion of a planet, "makes a huge mess of Watto's shop" does not qualify as screwing up. You're overlooking Qui-gon Jinn's screw up (which, to reemphasize, caused a war) but coming down hard on Jar Jar for being a little clumsy and not having perfect social etiquette. You're coming down so hard on Jar Jar that you're saying it's justified to deny that he's even a thinking being. Why?
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 20:34
|
|
|
Cease to Hope posted:Huh. The dude with the non-white accent is infantilized, while a white child is supernaturally competent. Interesting. Jar Jar isn't infantilized. Being curious and clumsy isn't the same as being an infant. Put another way, Jar Jar isn't dumb. It's wild that you're making exactly the same mistake Qui-Gon does in the narrative and exactly the thing Best was commentating on in his performance: you're making assumptions about him because of how he looks and talks instead of actually seeing what he does
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 20:35
|
|
|
Schwarzwald posted:In a film where Qui-gon Jinn mission to negotiate a settlement provokes a full scale invasion of a planet, "makes a huge mess of Watto's shop" does not qualify as screwing up. It's because he's "made peace" with the fact that Qui Gon's point of view is just considered right by virtue of coming from the white perspective establishment, and there's nothing he can do see, it's just the way it is and he's made peace with it.
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 20:37
|
|
|
"TPM depicts people with accents as pathetic and greedy." "When does it do that?" "Well, they must be pathetic and greedy, the white character said so. And besides, they have accents!"
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 20:37
|
|
|
Cease to Hope posted:Because he was suggesting an alternate thematic connection for Nute, Jar Jar, and Watto than the ones I was using, that's all. I'd like you to expand on jar jar being a clown, since that'd be actually interesting, but you'd probably gently caress that up too
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 20:37
|
|
|
Schwarzwald posted:coming down hard on Jar Jar for being a little clumsy and not having perfect social etiquette. While at the same time cutting Qui-Gon slack (like you said) for things like mocking Anakin to his face ("perhaps I killed a Jedi and took it from him  " and spending essentially the entirety of the Tatooine trip lying and swindling (not to mention condescending to Padme)
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 20:38
|
|
|
Schwarzwald posted:"TPM depicts people with accents as pathetic and greedy." Nobody ever says this in the film. You seem quite mad at that straw Cease with all his conveniently dumb arguments. Waffles Inc. posted:Jar Jar isn't infantilized. Being curious and clumsy isn't the same as being an infant. Put another way, Jar Jar isn't dumb. infantilized means to be childlike, not to be like a literal infant. Nebalebadingdong posted:they're both supernatural you ding dong, that's why anakin spinning like a doof and blowing up a spaceship happens at the same time as jar jar blowing up tanks and poo poo the same thing is happening but the two scenes are framed quite differently. Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Feb 20, 2019 |
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 20:42
|
|
|
Cease to Hope posted:straw Cease Your weird skewed take with legitimizing labels and branding, and your perceived superior position in all this, is starting to make a lot of sense when you repeatedly try to employ terms like this and "anglophone". ruddiger fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Feb 20, 2019 |
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 20:46
|
|
|
Cease to Hope posted:Nobody ever says [aliens are pathetic and greedy] in the film. Obiwan, referring to Anakin and JarJar: "Why do I sense we've picked up another pathetic life form?" Quigon, referring to Watto: "Greed can be a very powerful ally." You keep making big, obvious mistakes because you are absolutely unconcerned with whether what you write is true or not. The question becomes why you are quite deliberately muddying the waters around the topic of racism.
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 20:50
|
|
|
SuperMechagodzilla posted:Obiwan, referring to Anakin and JarJar: "Why do I sense we've picked up another pathetic life form?" anakin is an alien now? ruddiger posted:Your weird skewed take with legitimizing labels and branding, and your perceived superior position in all this, is starting to make a lot of sense when you repeatedly try to employ terms like this and "anglophone". your lack of knowledge of words like anglophone beyond googling the dictionary definition seems like your own problem. Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Feb 20, 2019 |
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 20:52
|
|
|
Cease to Hope posted:anakin is an alien now? Are you honestly saying you do not know what the definition of an alien is? jfc Also, way to ignore his point that you've been caught in another fallacy.
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 20:55
|
|
|
Cease to Hope posted:anakin is an alien now? That's the joke Obiwan is making, yes.
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 20:56
|
|
|
ruddiger posted:Also, way to ignore his point that you've been caught in another fallacy. He's accusing me of being factually incorrect, not of errors in logic. Fallacy seems to be another word you have trouble with. In any case, my argument does not and never has rested on the idea that characters are greedy or pathetic because Qui-Gon or Obi-Wan say so.
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 20:58
|
|
|
Cease to Hope posted:You make a whole lot of assumptions about who I am or where I come from, No one's stopping you from sharing personal anecdotes in regards to where you're from and how that shaped your views in regards to racism, I've shared several personal stories to back up my thoughts and positions. You've made mention that you may have watched Flash Gordon and know of Ming the Merciless, but that's about it. Cease to Hope posted:In any case, my argument does not and never has rested on the idea that characters are greedy or pathetic because Qui-Gon or Obi-Wan say so. This is suspiciously close to "it's not racist if it's true" logic.
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 21:02
|
|
|
I happen to enjoy my privacy.
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 21:03
|
|
|
That's a pretty cowardly reply, especially when we're trying to get at the heard of an honest look at racism.
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 21:06
|
|
|
ruddiger posted:This is suspiciously close to "it's not racist if it's true" logic. Cease to Hope posted:"TPM depicts people with accents as pathetic and greedy."
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 21:09
|
|
|
For what it's worth, it's actually the long pointed fingers that put Gunray over the top for me and make it so I would be shocked if Lucas at no point saw a Fu Manchu resemblance to Newt Gunray.
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 21:10
|
|
|
As long as you're "at peace" with it, I guess.
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 21:10
|
|
|
Weird flex but ok
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 21:11
|
|
|
Waffles Inc. posted:Weird flex but ok and he's still ignoring the fact that he just admitted to not knowing what an alien is while questioning other(!!!) people's use of textbook definitions.
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 21:14
|
|
|
Cease to Hope posted:anakin is an alien now? The key word being "another". He's calling Jar Jar pathetic
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 21:15
|
|
|
Guy A. Person posted:The key word being "another". He's calling Jar Jar pathetic Okay. Jar Jar is pathetic, throughout the movie. Even characters who have no reason to be racist against him see him that way.
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 21:18
|
|
|
Cease to Hope posted:Okay. Jar Jar is pathetic, throughout the movie. Even characters who have no reason to be racist against him see him that way. yes, and they're wrong to do so
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 21:19
|
|
|
Cease to Hope posted:Okay. Jar Jar is pathetic, throughout the movie. Even characters who have no reason to be racist against him see him that way. Anakin never holds any kind of racist judgement over Jar Jar (gee, I wonder why). Roos Tarpals follows his lead during the battle. Obi Wan greets him as an equal and a friend at the start of Episode II.
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 21:21
|
|
|
Cease to Hope posted:Okay. Jar Jar is pathetic, throughout the movie. Even characters who have no reason to be racist against him see him that way. I mean, I could link this whole chain of replies that started with you saying "nobody says this in the film" but I expect you're just being deliberately obtuse so oh well
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 21:21
|
|
|
Cease to Hope posted:have no reason to be racist against him What on earth is this? What are the reasons for someone to be racist? But furthermore, you're like actually super duper close to the entire point, which is that Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan in universe are treating him just like you are
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 21:22
|
|
|
Cease to Hope posted:Okay. Jar Jar is pathetic, throughout the movie. No, Jar Jar behaves heroically throughout. You perceive him as pathetic because the Jedi behave as if he were. This is a mistake, because the Jedi are fools.
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 21:23
|
|
|
So correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Gungans amphibious sea creatures, which would explain why Jar Jar is clumsy on land?
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 21:23
|
|
|
Guy A. Person posted:I mean, I could link this whole chain of replies that started with you saying "nobody says this in the film" but I expect you're just being deliberately obtuse so oh well I was mistaken to say nobody says it in the film, SMG pointed that out. My argument has never rested on a line I didn't even remember existed; ruddiger was mistaken in suggesting that it was. McCloud posted:So correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Gungans amphibious sea creatures, which would explain why Jar Jar is clumsy on land? Jar Jar is clumsy in general; he was banished by the Gungans for his clumsiness. Schwarzwald posted:No, Jar Jar behaves heroically throughout. It is possible for a hero to be pathetic. I perceive him as pathetic because he is clumsy, looked down upon by everyone (not just the Jedi), constantly screws up, and constantly makes a mess of everything. Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Feb 20, 2019 |
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 21:24
|
|
|
McCloud posted:So correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Gungans amphibious sea creatures, which would explain why Jar Jar is clumsy on land? SuperMechagodzilla posted:Obi-Wan: Why were you banished Jar-Jar?
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 21:27
|
|
|
edit: Mecha Gorjia did it better than meCease to Hope posted:looked down upon by everyone (not just the Jedi), constantly screws up, and constantly makes a mess of everything. No, no, no Show your work at least
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 21:29
|
|
|
those are framed quite differently.
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 21:30
|
|
|
McCloud posted:So correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Gungans amphibious sea creatures, which would explain why Jar Jar is clumsy on land? According to Cease to Hope, this is a pathetically clumsy creature. 
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 21:30
|
|
|
Waffles Inc. posted:Well, we don't really know why he was banished, but we can sorta infer Jar-Jar brings up clumsiness first. Obi-Wan is replying in shock and confusion, probing Jar-Jar for details. OBI-WAN : Why were you banished, Jar Jar? JAR JAR : Tis a long tale, buta small part wawdabe mesa...ooooh...aaaa.....clumsy. OBI-WAN : They banished you because you're clumsy? JAR JAR : Mesa cause-ed mabee one or duey lettal bitty axadentes...yud-say boom da gasser, un crash Der Bosses heyblibber...den banished.
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 21:33
|
|
|
Hey guys what do you think the most sexually charged star wars movie is?
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 21:36
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 31, 2024 20:18 |
|
|
kidkissinger posted:Hey guys what do you think the most sexually charged star wars movie is? christmas special by a lot
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2019 21:36
|
|