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Mega64 posted:Finally, a good mainline Final Fantasy game. First time for everything!
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Give Naoki Yoshida FFXVI as a way for him to get release from the eternal grind of churning out FFXIV content imo. They’re never going to let him stop since FFXIV is probably keeping the drat company afloat at this point but I’d genuinely like to see what he’d do with a single player FF.
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Feb 20, 2019 23:59
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mandatory lesbian posted:Oh no, not protagonist syndrome, whatever will we do. There's no TV Tropes bullshit; the phrase seemed pretty self-explanatory. But OK, let me explain it: there is no in-world reason why Squall is apparently the only semi-competent person in the world. He's not half moon-man or a Mako-infused super soldier or anything; he's not even ambitious to train hard and become the best- he bitches and complains whenever he's promoted or given responsibility, and spends his free time moping in his bedroom. He's gotten Garden training, but so have 90% of the characters in the story. He's simply the best at everything because he's the main character, and that's lazy and dumb.
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Feb 21, 2019 00:03
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Squall doesn't succeed at everything he tries. He messes up a lot because he's extremely in his own head about everything at the start of the game. I can understand how people could be aggravated by him at the start of the game because depressed people can be aggravating, especially when they're rejecting the people who are trying to help them, like Squall does, but giving him a supersoldier backstory or something like that would be dumb.
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Feb 21, 2019 00:29
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yeah it's not like squall is laguna
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Feb 21, 2019 00:37
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I never really disliked Squall but I was also an angsty teen. This conversation reminds me that I watched Dawson's Creek again recently and Dawson is actually a full on idiot villain but seemed relatable to a stupid child.
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Feb 21, 2019 00:42
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Randallteal posted:Squall doesn't succeed at everything he tries. the only time squall doesn't succeed is when he dies, but wakes up later anyway in prison
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Feb 21, 2019 00:42
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wow how cold of you to forget trabia
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Feb 21, 2019 00:45
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Randallteal posted:Squall doesn't succeed at everything he tries. He messes up a lot because he's extremely in his own head about everything at the start of the game. I can understand how people could be aggravated by him at the start of the game because depressed people can be aggravating, especially when they're rejecting the people who are trying to help them, like Squall does, but giving him a supersoldier backstory or something like that would be dumb. I didn't say he succeeds at everything, just that he's better than everyone else. He's constantly being told how great he is at things ("wow, you're the first graduate to ever master the gunblade!" "You are the most attractive man in this entire school so I'll single you out to pester with my attention." "You're an amazingly natural dancer! You performed perfectly without any practice." "We're just going to make you squad leader all the time despite you having a depressive attitude and the motivational and people skills of a shoe." "Only you can go down under the school to figure out how to stop the missiles, for some reason." "I know you just graduated like a week ago, but I'm putting the entire school under your command." "SQUALL! You have to be the one to command all the troops and also save Rinoa and also confront the sorceress! Nobody else can do it don't ask why!"). His "friends" are constantly going out of their way to set him up with Rinoa or get him involved in things despite him usually giving them the cold shoulder. There is an entire school of trained, graduated mercenaries who have years of field experience, and yet nobody ever accomplished anything except Squall, the rookie who just graduated this month. This is, of course, made more apparent by Squall repeatedly asking "why me?" when all this responsibility is dumped on him, but we never get an answer.
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Feb 21, 2019 00:49
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trabia wasn't squall's fault, it was due the incompetence of his away team as usual
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Feb 21, 2019 00:49
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The White Dragon posted:trabia wasn't squall's fault, it was due the incompetence of his away team as usual the missiles that hit trabia launched before they split up
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Feb 21, 2019 00:51
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also the dance thing i remember being a little joke thing since obviously being mercenaries/could be asked to assassinate seeds are trained in dancing edit: the script on gamefaqs agrees with me, whew Lessail fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Feb 21, 2019 |
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Feb 21, 2019 00:52
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Ah, I was thinking of this line: Quistis: "You really are an excellent student. Even that dance was perfect." I guess I just conflated that with him being all stumbly and awkward at the dance, and then suddenly performing the rest of the dance perfectly.
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Feb 21, 2019 01:14
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yeah my dude squall sucked at a lot but he was a good student and was specifically faced with the kinds of challenges he had studied to overcome This isn't even subtext it's right there in the drat game
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Feb 21, 2019 01:20
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So had all the other SeeDs, including ones that had been graduated for years and were way more experienced. Why did none of them have any agency? Why did they have to stand around demanding that Squall make decisions for them? Why were all the experienced mercenaries missing for the entire game? Quistis was supposed to be some child prodigy and had been in a leader role for some time, but just like all the rest she couldn't seem to do anything without Squall. My point is that according to the story he's just another face in a crowd. There's nothing special about him compared to all the other Balamb-trained students. And yet the whole story revolves around him and requires him to be the driving force in the world.
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Feb 21, 2019 01:32
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well cid trying to push squall to be leader has a reason
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Feb 21, 2019 01:40
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Whalley posted:The best singleplayer Final Fantasies are 6, 8, 10, and 12, and the best multiplayer is 14, so this thread-built 16 is already shaping up to be a fuckin' hoot and a holler i tell you hwhat this is violence
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Feb 21, 2019 01:54
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corn in the bible posted:this is violence 13 was good
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Feb 21, 2019 02:04
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12 was so bad. I overall liked 13's characters more and that is saying a lot.
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Feb 21, 2019 02:12
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cock hero flux posted:13 was good No, 13 was the best one
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Feb 21, 2019 02:15
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I hate AI controlling my dudes 
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Feb 21, 2019 02:16
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I've never played 13 because of the bad press and also not assigning the time to it. I've got it on PC I should play it. Do you need to grind much or can you just get railroaded through? I don't want to put in 40 hours or something then hit a tedium barrier.
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Feb 21, 2019 02:22
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JBP posted:I've never played 13 because of the bad press and also not assigning the time to it. I've got it on PC I should play it. Do you need to grind much or can you just get railroaded through? I don't want to put in 40 hours or something then hit a tedium barrier. I've tried twice and it wasn't so much like playing a game as it was watching a really bad sci-fi movie where they use madeup words as a substitute for a plot/world. Very pretty though.
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Feb 21, 2019 02:24
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Gologle posted:I was in the shower thinking about FFXV, as you do, and it occured to me that Ardyn being in Insomnia in his episode and fighting Regis and terrorizing the city is a massive retcon Maybe the Young Regis fight is for Ardyn to realize he has to gently caress up Noctis -- but leaves Regis knowing to prepare for the future. cock hero flux posted:see you at the FF16 release in 2032, friend Barudak posted:Update on FFXVI quote:The story for this trilogy will be told entirely through a tie-in graphic novel only available at a single Lawson's in Japan. 
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Feb 21, 2019 02:26
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JBP posted:I've never played 13 because of the bad press and also not assigning the time to it. I've got it on PC I should play it. Do you need to grind much or can you just get railroaded through? I don't want to put in 40 hours or something then hit a tedium barrier. Save your time and sanity, play Zodiac Age instead
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Feb 21, 2019 02:30
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JBP posted:I've never played 13 because of the bad press and also not assigning the time to it. I've got it on PC I should play it. Do you need to grind much or can you just get railroaded through? I don't want to put in 40 hours or something then hit a tedium barrier. The game is well-balanced if you play as normal and know the tricks (use Sab liberally, swap paradigms every two attacks, etc.)
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Feb 21, 2019 02:39
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JBP posted:I've never played 13 because of the bad press and also not assigning the time to it. I've got it on PC I should play it. Do you need to grind much or can you just get railroaded through? I don't want to put in 40 hours or something then hit a tedium barrier. The game is about 20-24 hours long if you skip cutscenes/hunts. With cutscens and the first wave of hunts add another 8. It is extremely well paced and theres no way to get lost until 15-20 hours in depending on your speed/cutscene viewing. If you want to beat all hunts add another 20 hours. If you plan to get all achievements add another 20 hours on that. The story is loving god awful and botches a really good setup, feel free to slam that skip button.
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Feb 21, 2019 02:45
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JBP posted:I've never played 13 because of the bad press and also not assigning the time to it. I've got it on PC I should play it. Do you need to grind much or can you just get railroaded through? I don't want to put in 40 hours or something then hit a tedium barrier. Grinding is pointless as stat and ability progression is restricted to story and boss progress. Well, you can start grinding once you get through about 80% of the game but it's optional. For my last run I did a lot of grinding but I didn't do it on my first run. Oddly, one boss (Barthandelus 2) was significantly harder on the run where I grinded. I dunno why. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 02:49 on Feb 21, 2019 |
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Feb 21, 2019 02:46
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Jack-Off Lantern posted:It's really loving basic though. Dragon Quest's strength is that it takes a super basic story with uncomplicated, boilerplate but still incredibly charming characters and tells a really fun, good, goofy story with genuinely good character moments and simple, easy to enjoy but hard to master gameplay. Like the dramatic, emotional moments in dq11 resonated a lot more with me than any emotional moment in any final fantasy game Music loving sucks though I agree
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Feb 21, 2019 02:46
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My main, petty childish beef with any and all dragon quests is that I hate Toryama’s art. Go to a dungeon, DQ. I love Chrono Trigger though. I didn’t say my beef made sense.
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Feb 21, 2019 02:54
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Dragon Quest makes me feel like ive taken sleeping pills whenever I play one. Theyre just so boring.
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Feb 21, 2019 02:55
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99% of internet beefs are childish complaints by mental babies, that's a given
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Feb 21, 2019 02:56
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Kulkasha posted:Save your time and sanity, play Zodiac Age instead corn in the bible posted:this is violence
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Feb 21, 2019 02:56
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Seriously bruv, every DQ character looks like a turnip with eyes. Or Littleface from Dick Tracy.
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Feb 21, 2019 02:58
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Feb 21, 2019 02:58
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Lessail posted:well cid trying to push squall to be leader has a reason Because he (Cid) is an rear end in a top hat
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Feb 21, 2019 03:00
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Tall Tale Teller posted:Seriously bruv, every DQ character looks like a turnip with eyes. Or Littleface from Dick Tracy. This is the equivalent of BELTS AND ZIPPERS isn't it
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Feb 21, 2019 04:01
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I pull the zipper and there’s a Goku behind it.
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Feb 21, 2019 04:03
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Calaveron posted:Dragon Quest's strength is that it takes a super basic story with uncomplicated, boilerplate but still incredibly charming characters and tells a really fun, good, goofy story with genuinely good character moments and simple, easy to enjoy but hard to master gameplay. Like the dramatic, emotional moments in dq11 resonated a lot more with me than any emotional moment in any final fantasy game I expected more from 11, I admit. The cast of 8 and the Tension mechanic resonated way more with me,even though the game was way more flawed on its original release.
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Lol at DQXI looking like a PS2 game. I don't even like Dragon Quest that much, but that game was a graphical showcase and had fantastic art direction for characters, monsters, and environments. It was one of the best looking games that came out last year, and the best use so far for Nvidia's fancy Ansel screenshot tool.
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