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Feb 21, 2019 01:59
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For real, people keep yelling at me in traffic because they think it means “who are you dude” or some poo poo
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Feb 21, 2019 02:00
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It also sort of reads like one of those plates people get because they've never heard of the phonetic alphabet and think "CBCDCE" is just impossible to properly read out over a radio.
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Feb 21, 2019 02:24
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Why hasn't anyone invented the steam engine in the last two thousand years of the third age? Does middle earth have algebra?
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Feb 21, 2019 03:55
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SHISHKABOB posted:Why hasn't anyone invented the steam engine in the last two thousand years of the third age? Does middle earth have algebra? Because the Shire is specifically supposed to be a preindustrial utopia.
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Feb 21, 2019 04:03
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It took human civilization like 10,000 years to invent the steam engine and I don't see the Sumerians crafting Silmarils and fighting wars with fallen Gods 
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Feb 21, 2019 04:37
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SHISHKABOB posted:Why hasn't anyone invented the steam engine in the last two thousand years of the third age? Does middle earth have algebra? Numenoreans would have invented it if they didn’t already. Early texts portray them as having ironclads, airships, possibly firearms, and it’s not clear that these aspects were discarded in later texts. Morgoth and Sauron could make steam engines, but they would get no use of them because their societies are based on endless supply of totally disposable slave labor. Labor saving devices are not purposeful to them. If I recall, elves do not have a word for zero, so it’s not clear to me that they have a very advanced mathematics. Though you can do a good bit without zero.
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Feb 21, 2019 05:14
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skasion posted:Numenoreans would have invented it if they didn’t already. Early texts portray them as having ironclads, airships, possibly firearms, and it’s not clear that these aspects were discarded in later texts. Morgoth and Sauron could make steam engines, but they would get no use of them because their societies are based on endless supply of totally disposable slave labor. Labor saving devices are not purposeful to them. So what you're saying is, Tolkien invented steampunk?
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Feb 21, 2019 06:08
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SHISHKABOB posted:Why hasn't anyone invented the steam engine in the last two thousand years of the third age? Orcs probably have; we're told they like that kind of thing.
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Feb 21, 2019 08:48
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I bet elves are into Greek geometry stuff, like Pythagoras.
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Feb 21, 2019 09:34
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Runcible Cat posted:Orcs probably have; we're told they like that kind of thing. Wouldn't be surprising for Saruman to have had some, he was big on machinery as well.
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Feb 21, 2019 11:18
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You can def fit a steam engine into the pits of orthanc or even the old mines of Moria. Elves wouldn’t even care to make one if they could. As for hobbits quote:Hobbits are an unobtrusive but very ancient people, more numerous formerly than they are today; for they love peace and quiet and good tilled earth: a well-ordered and well-farmed countryside was their favourite haunt. They do not and did not understand or like machines more complicated than a forge-bellows, a water-mill, or a hand-loom, though they were skilful with tools. The inference from this is there are machines more complicated than bellows, mills and looms which would be....?
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Feb 21, 2019 13:57
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my bony fealty posted:It took human civilization like 10,000 years to invent the steam engine and I don't see the Sumerians crafting Silmarils and fighting wars with fallen Gods The Sumerians could've kicked Sauron's rear end.
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Feb 22, 2019 00:53
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Whenever someone says LOTR is good I think about the editing in this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8ec3SRTN8U
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Feb 22, 2019 08:00
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Whenever someone says LOTR is good I think about the editing in this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8ec3SRTN8U You must be a fun guy to watch movies with.
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Feb 23, 2019 00:32
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Whenever someone says LOTR is good I think about the editing in this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8ec3SRTN8U Looked good to me. No complaints here.
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Feb 23, 2019 06:39
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I feel like "too many cuts!" is on the verge of becoming a meme, as far as film criticisim among the terminally online goes. The action in that scene is clearly communicated, the shots are stable and easily processed, and the relative positions of Aragorn, Boromir, and Lúrtz are obvious. Alfonso Cuaron doesn't have to direct everything.
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Feb 23, 2019 08:57
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The thing is that the quick cuts are completely redundant. There's a moment to where they're shown from the back, and the camera cuts to show them from the back a couple of degrees to the right. The irony of the movies is that despite each being three hours long, Jackson has no ability to linger on anything, which is why the visuals are so boring. There's a moment where Aragorn parries a thrown dagger with a sword, and it gets about a second of attention. The fight is not even important in the narrative, it's Aragorn fighting a member of a black metal band.
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Feb 23, 2019 09:44
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It's funny that of all the quick cuts in the scene you cite that one. They cut around Viggo breaking character after deflecting the knife rather than dodging it because it was a happy accident.
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Feb 23, 2019 09:50
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I remember that shot, it's a good one. I'm sure there are examples of not enough"lingering", though. I wouldn't say that the LotR movies are great movies, but they are good and I like them.
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Feb 23, 2019 10:08
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Mameluke posted:It's funny that of all the quick cuts in the scene you cite that one. They cut around Viggo breaking character after deflecting the knife rather than dodging it because it was a happy accident. That's an explanation why it's so underutilized, not a justification.
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Feb 23, 2019 10:09
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When someone claims Fellowship is good I think about the whole rest of the movie before that sequence tbh. It's a cheesy fight but still one of the best parts of the film.
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Feb 23, 2019 12:23
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The boss Uruk fight sucks. On top of being full of pointless cuts, having no basis in the text, and generally being long and silly (haha what if we referenced the end of Excalibur guys?), it just makes Aragorn look like a wimp (for the second time in the movie; he gets his rear end kicked by the cave troll too). The broader Uruk battle right before that is a decent action sequence, there’s a very pleasing tracking shot down the hill that I always remember. But the only good thing about this bit is Viggo accidentally parrying the knife throw.
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Feb 23, 2019 12:32
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People literally cheered in the theater when Aragorn cut the guy's head off, I do not feel that it made him look like a wimp, it establishes the Uruk Hai as extremly dangerous, which is important for the drama of the next film. It is not Jackie Chan fight scene mastery, no, but it's fine and worked in with a bunch of fun battle scenes in a fun movie.
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Feb 23, 2019 12:42
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They’re already dangerous, they literally just killed Boromir and abducted the kids. WoodrowSkillson posted:People literally cheered in the theater I’m sure that was the idea, yeah.
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Feb 23, 2019 12:43
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Yeah, and it worked really well and no one came out of the movie talking about how much of a pussy Aragorn was cause he got knocked around by Lurtz before easily killing him once it was a swordfight. Like yeah the guy who did The Raid would have done it better I guess. And someone earlier said the movies are visually boring which is just silly given the extents they went to with character design, sets, matte paintings, landscape shots, etc. Like 5 minutes before that fight you had the Argonath depicted with wide, slow, sweepings shots and detailed to include erosion showing the massive blocks that made up the statues.
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Feb 23, 2019 12:55
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Maybe this makes me lowbrow or whatever but that fight scene was seriously one of the best and most memorable things about that movie for me. It was like no sword fight I'd ever seen before. It was frantic, desperate... spontaneous, or it felt that way. Most movie sword fights are these elaborately choreographed kung-fu ballets of parrying and fencing and dodging and baiting and taunting, and the camera follows them languidly in order to give the audience the best, clearest, most unobstructed picture of what's going on so they can appreciate all the perfectly crafted moves. But the Aragorn/Lurtz fight... all the rapid jump cuts, even crossing the 180-degree line unaccountably, is disorienting in such a way that I think can only be intentional. It makes me feel like he's really struggling for his life here. The shield whamming into the tree, that comes right out of left field—just like I imagine would happen in a real fight, it wouldn't be "aha he is attacking with Capo Fera, I must use Bonetti's defense against him", it would be like OH poo poo WTF HE THREW HIS SHIELD GOD drat HOW AM I STILL ALIVE. And the batting the dagger away? Maybe it was accidental but it contributed oh-so-perfectly to the feel of the scene, like "ha, there is no way what I'm watching is a classic rehearsed duel between rule-abiding combatants". No matter how good you are at swordplay your character isn't going to be lauded for his ability to deflect a thrown dagger like a ninja deflecting bullets, especially since Aragorn is just lying on the ground flailing for his life, not standing in a "you can't touch me" Neo pose. I sat up at that moment and wondered just what the gently caress I was watching; it felt as though it was setting a new standard for what a genuinely serious movie sword fight to the death should be.
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Feb 23, 2019 13:48
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:The irony of the movies is that despite each being three hours long, Jackson has no ability to linger on anything, which is why the visuals are so boring. I was about to reply to this in utter bewilderment, but then I saw who said it. Carry on. 
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Feb 23, 2019 13:57
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WoodrowSkillson posted:And someone earlier said the movies are visually boring which is just silly given the extents they went to with character design, sets, matte paintings, landscape shots, etc. Like 5 minutes before that fight you had the Argonath depicted with wide, slow, sweepings shots and detailed to include erosion showing the massive blocks that made up the statues. You can spent all the money in the world on designing a set and it still won't look good if you don't know how to direct a camera. The Argonath sequence is a prime example of this, because it's over in a minute and at no point does the camera impress upon the audience the colossal nature of the statues. This is precisely because of the sweeping shots that constantly change angle and perspective. A consisten sense of scale is what makes Talos in Jason of the Argonauts still stunning. Data Graham posted:It was like no sword fight I'd ever seen before. It was frantic, desperate... spontaneous, or it felt that way. Most movie sword fights are these elaborately choreographed kung-fu ballets of parrying and fencing and dodging and baiting and taunting, and the camera follows them languidly in order to give the audience the best, clearest, most unobstructed picture of what's going on so they can appreciate all the perfectly crafted moves. Maybe you should watch more movies than Princess Bride and the LOTR trilogy. It's not even very sensible as a life-or-death fight. The only reason Aragorn struggles is because for some reason he decided to jump on Lurtz... even though he could've just swung at him with the sword in his hand. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 14:23 on Feb 23, 2019 |
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Feb 23, 2019 14:16
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WoodrowSkillson posted:And someone earlier said the movies are visually boring which is just silly given the extents they went to with character design, sets, matte paintings, landscape shots, etc. Like 5 minutes before that fight you had the Argonath depicted with wide, slow, sweepings shots and detailed to include erosion showing the massive blocks that made up the statues. They're not visually boring because of a lack of effort but because they're cliched. They look too much like fantasy videogames and the Aragorn fight looks a bit like it should have quick time prompts. It could have been much worse I guess but I would probably have preferred it if there hadn't been movies at all.
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Feb 23, 2019 14:20
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Data Graham posted:Maybe this makes me lowbrow or whatever but that fight scene was seriously one of the best and most memorable things about that movie for me. This is generally considered the best sword fight in film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qiGsAOcoHk It *is* a duel.
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Feb 23, 2019 14:24
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:You can spent all the money in the world on designing a set and it still won't look good if you don't know how to direct a camera. 
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Feb 23, 2019 14:41
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Feb 23, 2019 14:49
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Great movie
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Feb 23, 2019 14:51
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:This is generally considered the best sword fight in film: I mean ... great, but what I'm saying is that the LotR one was very different from that, and in a way I appreciated
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Feb 23, 2019 14:57
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Shibawanko posted:They're not visually boring because of a lack of effort but because they're cliched. They look too much like fantasy videogames and the Aragorn fight looks a bit like it should have quick time prompts. What video game before 2001 had quick time?
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Feb 23, 2019 14:58
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The idea that the frantic editing makes you "feel" Aragorn's struggle is based on the specious idea that you're supposed to empathize with characters in fiction.
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Feb 23, 2019 14:59
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:You can spent all the money in the world on designing a set and it still won't look good if you don't know how to direct a camera. Attaching the clip so we are discussing the same thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlLC1kCH1ps The only way you can claim the audience is not impressed with the size of the Argonath is a tremendously uncharitable interpretation of this. The camera changes angle and perspective to gradually reveal the size of the statues. You progress from the reveal of the face of one of them, to a wide shot with the boats visible that makes them look kinda big, to the upward angled shot which is paired to the shot of the boats looking tiny at the foot of the statue. And then to hammer it home, you see the tiny boats on the river, and birds flying from their nests in the statues head, and they are specks.
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Feb 23, 2019 16:53
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Mattingly, I said TRIM those sideburns!
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WoodrowSkillson posted:and birds flying from their nests in the statues head, and they are specks. That's my favorite detail of that scene.
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