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Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



Ravenfood posted:

Its a nod to the relatively effective "stunbaton-wielding rookie swarm" strategy from X-Com. They're just going to club everything to death.

Those always felt like a reverse decimation. 10 enter, 1 comes back (but with a promotion :haw: )

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Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??

Ravenfood posted:

Its a nod to the relatively effective "stunbaton-wielding rookie swarm" strategy from X-Com. They're just going to club everything to death.

Oh man those were the days :allears: Whappin' stick in one hand, grenade in the other, and a headful of dreams and regrets

Bann
Jan 14, 2019

I've been having an extremely good time with some of the total conversion mods for OpenXcom. In a nutshell, the original Xcom: UFO Defense was re-written to run on modern systems, made more mod friendly and some lingering bugs were corrected. This happened long enough ago that the mod scene has become quite interesting. I've spent the majority of my gaming time over the fall and bouncing between 2 of the larger Mods, XcomFiles and Xpiratez. If you want to know more, check out the OpenXcom forums. each mod described below has their own sub-forum.

https://openxcom.org/forum/index.php/board,16.0.html

Installation of either mod is roughly:
1. Download the mod (either of the ones below include OpenXcom when you download the mod - you do not need to download it separately)
2. Find wherever you have your owned copy of Xcom: ufodefense and copy over the entire ufo folder from there to the mod folder of the same name
3. The first time you launch, you'll just be running stock open xcom. If you go into mods and scroll to the bottom, find Xcomfiles or Xpiratez and change to yes. That'll relaunch the game.
4. Have fun!

XcomFiles by Solarius Scorch
This is a total conversion mod that essentially says, "What if Xcom started a few years before 1999, and a whole bunch of X-files type stuff was going on?" If you progress far enough, you'll get into the actual alien invasion, but the early game is spent investigating monsters, cults and the like. You start as a small agency, sending a few agents in a van to go look into a reports of oddness, such as members of a cult doing something. As you progress through a massively expanded research tree, you can make progress along an axis which allows for some mission types to be retired, while opening up new options. (Mechanically, once you progress far enough along the cult research tree branch, you'll no longer be eligible for the initial cult contact mission, and will instead start gunning for higher ups.) In this way, there are a good number of content arcs that you can pursue through a play-through, setting up your agency with various strengths and weaknesses. I've found the arcs tie together fairly well (Who do you think that cult is worshiping?!) while still telling fairly complete stories. The whole thing is really well done, and still being actively developed.

XPiratez by Dioxine
Another total conversion mod that I bounced off of a few times, but once it clicked for me, I fell hard for it. This one assumes that Xcom lost the initial invasion, and its 500 or so years later. Earth as a conquered backwater planet, and you guide a small group of mutant girls who break out of a research facility and find an interesting cave that becomes their base. You guide the band as a group of future mutant space pirates on merry adventures. You'll meet various factions, Explore a bounty hunting system, research and manufacture a deep pool of items, armors, weapons and charms. You'll be asked to make choices that will have knock-on effects for the remainder of your play-through. For example, at one point you'll have to use a combination of unique items you start the game with to choose from 1 of 4 paths that will grant you access to ships, gear, and research. It's a bit like choosing a character class, but at an organizational level. You get a few exclusive items (or eventual access to them), but really just a massive leg up in the area you are interested in relative to where you are in the game. If you are really into Psionics and research, you might like the grey option. If hellfire and demon summoning sound more exciting to you, check out the red. Sometimes the game presents you with a combinations of items and research that can vary your gameplay. For instance, my current playthorugh has found me delving into dressing up as maids and robbing mansions with infiltration gear as some of the first extra content I've unlocked. In my previous playthrough, I unlocked underwater missions and a submarine at around the same point.
One thing to note is that if Xpiratez was a movie, it would be rated a hard R. One of the reasons I bounced off it was that it is gratuitous in nudity and "adult" situations. I get a similar vibe to, like, the extended Conan the Barbarian universe. IMO, this mod takes the core of a game I fell in 25 years ago, retains everything that made it good, and adds on a bunch of other awesome ideas and systems as well. And then adds a bunch of nakedness on top of that, for some reason. Also still being actively developed.

In addition to the above 2 mods, I know there is also a fairly active Warhammer 40k based one, and a few other more extended vanilla ones. If you are someone who still has a copy of the original UFO defense on your current system, Id strongly encourage you to check a mod out!

Azran
Sep 3, 2012

And what should one do to be remembered?
What is the best SMG mod in the workshop? Is it still this one?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1126071432

Azran fucked around with this message at 14:09 on Feb 22, 2019

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

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Azran posted:

What is the best SMG mod in the workshop? Is it still this one?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1126071432

use that and then put this on top of it

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1349983893

e - might have to do some .ini tweaking to fix numbers but you get some more models out of it.

Captain Foo fucked around with this message at 14:35 on Feb 22, 2019

Azran
Sep 3, 2012

And what should one do to be remembered?

Captain Foo posted:

use that and then put this on top of it

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1349983893

e - might have to do some .ini tweaking to fix numbers but you get some more models out of it.

Thank you very much!

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging
I have been playing this game for hundreds of hours and I just now figured out that Facility Leads don't reveal hidden facilities, they allow you to assault facilities that you couldn't normally reach.

:negative:

marshmallow creep
Dec 10, 2008

I've been sitting here for 5 mins trying to think of a joke to make but I just realised the animators of Mass Effect already did it for me

loving what?

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??
Yeah, the logic is you get the coordinates from the hack or whatever, so you dont NEED the local resistance to hunt it down for you :v: I didnt realize it until my latest game where I've been using them like crazy

Soothing Vapors
Mar 26, 2006

Associate Justice Lena "Kegels" Dunham: An uncool thought to have: 'is that guy walking in the dark behind me a rapist? Never mind, he's Asian.

Angry Diplomat posted:

I have been playing this game for hundreds of hours and I just now figured out that Facility Leads don't reveal hidden facilities, they allow you to assault facilities that you couldn't normally reach.

:negative:

...gently caress

Basic Chunnel
Sep 21, 2010

Jesus! Jesus Christ! Say his name! Jesus! Jesus! Come down now!

What always got me about the cutscenes was that sometimes the camera was supposed to be POV of the commander and other times it clearly was not and they did not distinguish this at all

Bogart
Apr 12, 2010

by VideoGames
Finally got an Ironman/Legendary run done. Final mission took about 2 hours just because of all the drat slowdown. Fifteen second delay between movement order and its execution, what the hell.

Bholder
Feb 26, 2013

So Long War 1 pissed me off enough, I decided to re-install WOTC and play a fully modded campaign.

One mod I was always looking for is a classless mod or something similar. I know there was one mod that was literally a classless mod letting every soldier to wield every weapon and giving everyone randomised perks, there is the Better Barracks which still has some classes but the skills are randomized and I also heard about the RPG mod, but I couldn't figure out how it works or what it actually does.

I'm mainly curious which of these works best, of if there is any other mod that might do something like this. It doesn't necessarily have to be classless, I mainly want a mod that expands the WOTC perk system, making every soldier unique somehow.

Zore
Sep 21, 2010
willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d’etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things

Bholder posted:

So Long War 1 pissed me off enough, I decided to re-install WOTC and play a fully modded campaign.

One mod I was always looking for is a classless mod or something similar. I know there was one mod that was literally a classless mod letting every soldier to wield every weapon and giving everyone randomised perks, there is the Better Barracks which still has some classes but the skills are randomized and I also heard about the RPG mod, but I couldn't figure out how it works or what it actually does.

I'm mainly curious which of these works best, of if there is any other mod that might do something like this. It doesn't necessarily have to be classless, I mainly want a mod that expands the WOTC perk system, making every soldier unique somehow.

RPG overhaul basically does that. It lets you develop soldiers along basically any perk tree you want and there are a dozen patches adding more. Plus everyone gets some unique perks at Squaddie to nudge them in a direction (Praetorian gives +10 to hit with melee, bonus grenade perks etc). You also get to spend a pool of points to level their stats (no stats on level up). It lets you fully and completely make dumb and amazing poo poo like a soldier who uses a sword and ripjack. Or really almost any combo you want (obviously some perks are exclusive or require perk chains to work correctly)

Better Barracks still has classes but semi-randomizes the perk trees. So he assigned classes 5 tier 3 perks and any given member of that class might roll 3 of those along with two universal filler perks. I personally find a lot of the changes made in A Better Barracks just obnoxious (Cannons take 2 actions to shoot, reload or overwatch, but have kore ammo and a 1 action 'quickshot' with -20 to hit, Shotguns have to be reloaded one bullet at a time) but some people swear by it. Your dudes are definitely weaker than in Vanilla.

Zore fucked around with this message at 06:11 on Feb 23, 2019

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



I’m The Commander Here allows you to swap perks, for a small price (in AP). You still have the randomly generated ones, but it doesn’t cost much to swap those in if you roll something useless.

Torchlighter
Jan 15, 2012

I Got Kids. I need this.

Bholder posted:

So Long War 1 pissed me off enough, I decided to re-install WOTC and play a fully modded campaign.

One mod I was always looking for is a classless mod or something similar. I know there was one mod that was literally a classless mod letting every soldier to wield every weapon and giving everyone randomised perks, there is the Better Barracks which still has some classes but the skills are randomized and I also heard about the RPG mod, but I couldn't figure out how it works or what it actually does.

I'm mainly curious which of these works best, of if there is any other mod that might do something like this. It doesn't necessarily have to be classless, I mainly want a mod that expands the WOTC perk system, making every soldier unique somehow.

so RPGOverhaul unlocks every weapon for people and gives every soldier you have the universal class 'soldier'. This gives them 2 random traits: a background and one random trait. Then almost every tree from every soldier class is organised into a specialisation that can be taken, along with some other options, like the skirmisher tree.

A number of other class mods release 'specialisation packs' that transport those class trees into RPGO. It sounds like what you're looking for in terms of 'classless', but there's random elements.

EDIT: beaten, generally.

Torchlighter fucked around with this message at 07:27 on Feb 23, 2019

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

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I wish MINT was still being developed, I liked that more than RPG overhaul. Haven't tried rpgo since other people started hooking ok to it though. Instead I use a bunch of individual classes and allies unknown. Pretty good variety that way.

Node
May 20, 2001

KICKED IN THE COOTER
:dings:
Taco Defender

Bogart posted:

Finally got an Ironman/Legendary run done. Final mission took about 2 hours just because of all the drat slowdown. Fifteen second delay between movement order and its execution, what the hell.

I have 500 hours in this game and I still can't do Legendary difficulty. It's too drat stressful.

Huszsersvn
Nov 11, 2009

Nice world you've got here. Shame if anything were to happen to it.

Basic Chunnel posted:

What always got me about the cutscenes was that sometimes the camera was supposed to be POV of the commander and other times it clearly was not and they did not distinguish this at all


Why You Can See The Cutscenes

Backhand
Sep 25, 2008
Okay, TinyCommander is wonderful.

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging
Turns out the Commander wasn't actually all that strategically important; they're just Bradford's kid and it happened to be Take Your Kid To Work Day when the events of XCom 1 unfolded.

Which...puts a much darker spin on Bradford's struggle with alcoholism leading up to the eventual rescue at the beginning of XCom 2, now that I think about it :smith:

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

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Node posted:

I have 500 hours in this game and I still can't do Legendary difficulty. It's too drat stressful.

350+ and I play vet, that's how I find it the most fun 🙂

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging
Commander Ironman or death. I play on console, so I can't actually play on Ironman because lol save-corrupting bugs, but I roll with the punches and live with my mistakes. No exceptions!

Azran
Sep 3, 2012

And what should one do to be remembered?
Should I be using the community mod launcher? It's proven terribly buggy so far - I'm getting invisible soldiers, no mods registering as activated, etc. The default launcher works fine so far. I've already tried deleting the config folder.

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

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Azran posted:

Should I be using the community mod launcher? It's proven terribly buggy so far - I'm getting invisible soldiers, no mods registering as activated, etc. The default launcher works fine so far. I've already tried deleting the config folder.

yes, it's way better and I've had almost no problems with it, so you might be holding it wrong

Azran
Sep 3, 2012

And what should one do to be remembered?

Captain Foo posted:

yes, it's way better and I've had almost no problems with it, so you might be holding it wrong

Hm, weird. I'll see if I can find a comprehensive tutorial then.

Zore
Sep 21, 2010
willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d’etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things

Captain Foo posted:

350+ and I play vet, that's how I find it the most fun 🙂

I've been playing modded to hell Legendary for like 300+ hours? I've gotten the opening few months down to an art.

I still haven't teched to Plasma before starting a new campaign because of a shiny new mod or a death spiral :shepicide:

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

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Zore posted:

I've been playing modded to hell Legendary for like 300+ hours? I've gotten the opening few months down to an art.

I still haven't teched to Plasma before starting a new campaign because of a shiny new mod or a death spiral :shepicide:

i'm pretty sure "modded to hell" is the default if you've played more than half of one campaign, to be honest

Zore
Sep 21, 2010
willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d’etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things

Captain Foo posted:

i'm pretty sure "modded to hell" is the default if you've played more than half of one campaign, to be honest

Yeah, I've spent so much time modding this game its insane.

I think my favorite new thing has been mashing class packs together. I'm currently rolling with LW2 Shinobi, LW2 Sharpshooter (modded to use Pistols), Shadow Ops Combat Engineer, Shadow Ops Dragoon, Shadow Ops Juggernaut and Richard's Mage (modded to remove random stat ups and with an additional brigadier rank to match the other classes)

Now if only I could figure out how to mod the faction classes. They basically break if you look at them funny.

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

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Zore posted:

Yeah, I've spent so much time modding this game its insane.

I think my favorite new thing has been mashing class packs together. I'm currently rolling with LW2 Shinobi, LW2 Sharpshooter (modded to use Pistols), Shadow Ops Combat Engineer, Shadow Ops Dragoon, Shadow Ops Juggernaut and Richard's Mage (modded to remove random stat ups and with an additional brigadier rank to match the other classes)

Now if only I could figure out how to mod the faction classes. They basically break if you look at them funny.

currently running this:

code:
	(WOTC) ShockTrooper Port                                                	AlphaShockTrooper                              	1145764894 	
	[WOTC] Proficiency Class Pack                                           	WOTC_APA_Class_Pack                            	1265143828 	
	Biotic Class Redux                                                      	BioticClassRedux                               	1125004715 	
	Disable Any Class Wotc                                                  	DisableAnyClassWotc                            	1148535137 	
	[WoTC] XCOM Psi Overhaul [NEW UPLOAD]                                   	LatentPsionicsUnlock                           	1313834895 	
	Multiple Faction Soldier Classes                                        	MultipleFactionSoldierClasses                  	1373823499 	
	Reaper Scythe Class                                                     	ReaperScytheClass                              	1378685824 	
	Skirmisher Heavy Class                                                  	SkirmisherHeavyClass                           	1376472748 	
	Templar Psion Class                                                     	TemplarPsionClass                              	1373825133 	
	[WOTC] Iridar's Akimbo Class                                            	AkimboClass                                    	1494158555 	
	[WOTC] Dual Wielded Pistols                                             	DualWieldedPistols                             	1494099360 	
	(WOTC) Heavy Gunner Class                                               	AlphaHeavyGunner                               	1131544541 	
	(WOTC) Fuze class                                                       	AlphaFuze                                      	1131848810 

Azran
Sep 3, 2012

And what should one do to be remembered?
Any recommended submods for RPGO?

Zore
Sep 21, 2010
willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d’etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things

Azran posted:

Any recommended submods for RPGO?

Most of them are pretty good tbh. The only ones I would really avoid are the broken ones (gauntlet integration and Biotic class are both glitchy and don't work correctly).

Otherwise I definitely like the Samurai, Shadow Ops, Long War, Psi and Shardwielder plugins.

I would also recommend a mod to bump up the Faction classes and Sparks if you want to use them since RPGO doesn't touch them. And an enemy mod like ABA2 to even the playing field with enemy buffs.

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

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Zore posted:

Most of them are pretty good tbh. The only ones I would really avoid are the broken ones (gauntlet integration and Biotic class are both glitchy and don't work correctly).

Otherwise I definitely like the Samurai, Shadow Ops, Long War, Psi and Shardwielder plugins.

I would also recommend a mod to bump up the Faction classes and Sparks if you want to use them since RPGO doesn't touch them. And an enemy mod like ABA2 to even the playing field with enemy buffs.

i just found an RPGO plugin mod [Shadow Ops and More] that includes a lot of stuff, including some of the MINT perks I used to really like.

Shrimp or Shrimps
Feb 14, 2012


I'm currently playing basically a Star Wars overhaul, with the Advent to Empire mod as well as tons of Star Wars related bells and whistles. Heck, even got star wars music playing in the background. Got my final team pretty much set up and bonded, Han + Lando, Luke + Leia, Rey+Kylo, Jango + Mace (haha), Obi-Wan + Anakin, Finn+Poe, and it's been good fun with the jedi class mod, even if that thing is OP as hell.

Next go around is going to be with RPGO and then mass effect mods. Shepherd, Garrus, Liara, and Wrex back together again!

Thinking what I'll do is console command myself enough soldiers to form up every team member of ME1,2,3 to give to myself at the start. However, I can't recruit any more after that, so best not get too many killed early game or the fatigue mechanics will bite me in the butt later. Except I'll leave Ashley to die on the Lost mission.

Shrimp or Shrimps fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Feb 24, 2019

Bogart
Apr 12, 2010

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I love the conceit of subclasses for the Resistance troops, but I've yet to find one I really enjoy, other than maybe Heavy Skirmisher. Also, the...Hunter class, I believe, in some overhaul pack or another, the one with Brace? They're the only class that makes sniping feel good at all.

e: someone link me to the community mod manager please

Bogart fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Feb 24, 2019

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

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Bogart posted:

I love the conceit of subclasses for the Resistance troops, but I've yet to find one I really enjoy, other than maybe Heavy Skirmisher. Also, the...Hunter class, I believe, in some overhaul pack or another, the one with Brace? They're the only class that makes sniping feel good at all.

e: someone link me to the community mod manager please

The Skirmisher Heavy is the best, the Reaper Scythe is the second best, especially because you can do bladestorm shenanigans, and the templar psion is pretty boring.

https://github.com/X2CommunityCore/xcom2-launcher/releases/tag/v1.2.3

I have the marksman (with brace) but I haven't found sniper classes to be all that great on the whole. Marksman is a real intense carry class, though.

Often Abbreviated
Dec 19, 2017

1st Severia Tank Brigade
"Ghosts of Honcharivske"

Bann posted:


XPiratez by Dioxine


I've played around with XPiratez and it can be a real blast if you're willing to overlook the 25 year old graphics and UI. And, admittedly, all the tits. I imagine 90% of people bounce straight off, which is a bit of a shame because the setting is really fun and characterful once you start to figure it out, and it lets you do wonderful things with your squad equipment. Melee, flame, bows, black powder, chemical weapons, futuretech, on and on. But I really fell it love with it for being perhaps the only squad-based tactics game willing to say, "But what if we just let the player bring a 3-inch mortar? In fact, what if we let them bring ten?".

victrix
Oct 30, 2007


Is there a fan bug fix patch I should use for vanilla chosen? Haven't played since near launch

Bogart
Apr 12, 2010

by VideoGames

Captain Foo posted:

The Skirmisher Heavy is the best, the Reaper Scythe is the second best, especially because you can do bladestorm shenanigans, and the templar psion is pretty boring.

https://github.com/X2CommunityCore/xcom2-launcher/releases/tag/v1.2.3

I have the marksman (with brace) but I haven't found sniper classes to be all that great on the whole. Marksman is a real intense carry class, though.

There's a heavy Templar too, who uses the Long War style gauntlet, so he's worthless. Marksman! That's it. Thanks for the link. I think Hunter was a Sniper/Sword class which did not fit to me at all.

victrix posted:

Is there a fan bug fix patch I should use for vanilla chosen? Haven't played since near launch

Nah, game's pretty stable.

Bogart fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Feb 24, 2019

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Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011
Could you all link the Marksman class? I frankly can't find anything besides the semi-anemic medical marksman.

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