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Mad Katter posted:Being unable to imagine how a city and it's infrastructure could be better or even slightly different is the most Australian thing. Yeah, I find it somewhat puzzling that people in here who probably advocate for dramatic systematic change to combat climate change also seem to think it's too hard to design PT so that people can easily handle taking anything bigger than a backpack with them.
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teacup posted:Living by without a car is easy with kids!!
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Periphery posted:Yeah, I find it somewhat puzzling that people in here who probably advocate for dramatic systematic change to combat climate change also seem to think it's too hard to design PT so that people can easily handle taking anything bigger than a backpack with them. FWIW, my position isn't that it's impossible to do anything differently and future plan, it's that anyone who says it is currently possible for everyone to live without a car is wrong. We should totally plan better PT, but for now, a car is an unavoidable necessity for many people, and judging or shaming them for it (not anyone ITT, but I've absolutely seem it happen irl) is real loving stupid.
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if the fantasy public transport has Xmas decorations on it I’m going to melt down
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Nice meltdown.
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teacup posted:- yet_you_participate_in_society.jpg
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When you were raised by a single parent, you get used to not having a car.
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Tokamak posted:When you were raised by a single parent, you get used to not having a car. What does this have to do with single parents? I was raised by a single parent.
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Whitlam posted:FWIW, my position isn't that it's impossible to do anything differently and future plan, it's that anyone who says it is currently possible for everyone to live without a car is wrong. We should totally plan better PT, but for now, a car is an unavoidable necessity for many people, and judging or shaming them for it (not anyone ITT, but I've absolutely seem it happen irl) is real loving stupid. My post you replied to was specifically mentioning a hypothetical future in which there are no cars on the road.
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How did we get from drastically decreasing cars in specifically urban areas to no cars for anyone ever
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I mean, I was even talking earlier about setting aside a certain amount of inner city parking for parents with children and people with accessibility needs, but sure lets make this another absurdly polarised debate between ONLY CARS and NO CARS EVER
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Also catch the loving bus
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Endman posted:I mean, I was even talking earlier about setting aside a certain amount of inner city parking for parents with children and people with accessibility needs, but sure lets make this another absurdly polarised debate between ONLY CARS and NO CARS EVER You don’t even have a drivers license.
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:You don’t even have a drivers license. Who the gently caress is Dane Cook?
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I think at least in the interim to pt getting good enough to obviate most cars more people could rely on share vehicles. It means you use a smaller number of cars more efficiently compared to how much time the average car spends sitting in a garage now.
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what part of “Bullet Train for Australia” aren’t you getting?
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bullet train this thread to the gas chamber
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Bernstrike posted:what part of “Bullet Train for Australia” aren’t you getting? The bullet train won't take my kids to footy practice, so there's no point building it.
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Have footy practise in the bullet train
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Is a bullet train actually viable here considering we don't have great density and distances are so vast? I mean I get you could make regional centres and whatever but ehhhh
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quote:As a meeting of the federal parliamentary Liberal Party broke up last year, Scott Morrison approached Julie Bishop. "Could I have a word of advice Julie?"
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Allstone posted:I think at least in the interim to pt getting good enough to obviate most cars more people could rely on share vehicles. It means you use a smaller number of cars more efficiently compared to how much time the average car spends sitting in a garage now. Yeah like this is the goal right? How many cars do you see with just one occupant taking probably just themselves and their lunch to and from work then just themselves to a social engagement. If you need your car then surely even you should want to see more people off the road?
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Endman posted:How did we get from drastically decreasing cars in specifically urban areas to no cars for anyone ever Auspol
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I live in regional Queensland where public transport is basically nonexistent trash. What do I do about cars?
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Bernstrike posted:“Bullet for Australia”
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It's all well and good to keep telling people to use the bus, but I live in an outer suburb of Perth and if I want to go anywhere that I actually need to go to by bus its a 4 hour round trip (with wait times), with my children. Compared to 20-30 minutes by car. Subsequent governments have let developers run rough shod over the country side and not bothered to put in reliable or even usable infrastructure.
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Gridlocked posted:I live in regional Queensland where public transport is basically nonexistent trash. What do I do about cars? 
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JBP posted:Is a bullet train actually viable here considering we don't have great density and distances are so vast? I mean I get you could make regional centres and whatever but ehhhh Regional rail upgrades in Victoria, like bendigo and Ballarat lines for two examples, has led to people moving out of Melbourne to live along the rail corridor, revitalising some smaller towns as well as the regional centres themselves. I think the bullet train discussion is always about a melb > Canberra > Syd link. Mel > Sydney air corridor is one of the busiest in the world so looking into it has merit, however establishing the required rail infrastructure would be hideously expensive and the fares to recoup those costs/ the ROI that the private funders would expect would prevent it from happening as going by air is far cheaper. It'd only happen if govt wanted to pay for the whole while thing and I dont think that wouldn't happen. A PPP wouldn't happen. hambeet fucked around with this message at 03:56 on Feb 23, 2019 |
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hambeet posted:Regional rail upgrades in Victoria, like bendigo and Ballarat lines for two examples, has led to people moving out of Melbourne to live along the rail corridor, revitalising some smaller towns as well as the regional centres themselves. This is what I had in my head but I can never tell of high speed rail is being addressed by people technically or in some stupid ideological battle like coal is.
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hambeet posted:Regional rail upgrades in Victoria, like bendigo and Ballarat lines for two examples, has led to people moving out of Melbourne to live along the rail corridor, revitalising some smaller towns as well as the regional centres themselves. So what you're saying is, the obstacle to rail is neoliberalism?
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gently caress China use the coal to fuel steam trains
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Gridlocked posted:I live in regional Queensland where public transport is basically nonexistent trash. What do I do about cars? drink heavily and buy cars cheap enough it doesn't matter when you total them and then get a pushie for backup when the courts take your license away
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GotLag posted:So what you're saying is, the obstacle to rail is neoliberalism? I think it's more that it might not be worth spending the entire country's transport budget on it. Cursory glance has the Conversation tossing around $114b for the full mel-syd plan. So yeah $200b once government people get involved.
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Endman posted:I mean, I was even talking earlier about setting aside a certain amount of inner city parking for parents with children and people with accessibility needs, but sure lets make this another absurdly polarised debate between ONLY CARS and NO CARS EVER
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public and private transport discomfort? just rub a little bullet train on it. totally support the principle of better PT, but if you’ve ever zapped around Japan for a while you would see the challenges... massive infrastructure gap - not only for the fast trains but the rail integration around it patronage it obviously needs to make it worth it social acceptance to invent endless ‘make work’ jobs to call it a job creator
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Now I think we can all agree with regards to Christmas decorations on the bus
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adamantium|wang posted:Quoted but not linked article Very odd tribute to start off praising Bishop like they never did when she was actually in the party and end with a paranoid anti-Chinese polemic. Per car chat: car culture is an addiction and we've known we are addicted for at least 40 years but the nature of addiction is obviously that you cannot imagine life without it until you have to. Unfinished London is an interesting little series about London's terrible city planning, you'll be having aha moments and parallel frustration at how Australia has been doing similar things. A lot of it is politics barging right in and derailing an agreed process, gosh that's familiar-sounding.
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Solar panels on top of solar panels.
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Good evening I am mashiach David John Adams I am very glad that you can see that Australia is just like the rest of the world slaves too goliaths of industry. Australia has no liability clause on adverse reactions and privatised reaction statistics as of 2012 I have a way too change the world.. my son died after adverse reaction to gov enforced vaccine he suffered medically induced cardiac condition from 12 hours after said vaccine he suffered 4 and a half years of trials and tribulations before passing in the sign of the 7s 17/7 he was born 21st day of May 2012 during a solar eclipse as Jesus predicted his second coming. Might be a conspiracy but my father created the tree of knowledge (cell towers) we all take bytes of information from our apple devices this is dogma I amgod Indeed the comments sections on David Ickes Facebook have a lot to say about Australia
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