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I don't know why we're speculating about a way for the US to send aid without politicizing it because the only reason the US sends aid in the first place is because it can politicize it
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Protesters in Ureña set fire to a government bus and apparently tried to push it towards a National Guard barricade that is blocking their way into Colombia. I watched them push it on a live stream, but they lost control of the bus and crashed it into a building: https://twitter.com/RenovaMidia/status/1099327565486018560 https://twitter.com/andrewrosati/status/1099327445914841088 The fire is out now. The building was heavily damaged, and the flames also knocked down some electrical wires.
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Guaido and Duque just spoke at the Tienditas bridge. They didn't make any announcements. The feed that I'm watching (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7LvX7bu020) cut off to the clashes in Ureña. Also saw this just pop up: https://twitter.com/VPITV/status/1099325417964609536 "Military outpost located about 10 kilometers from the Brazil-Venezuela border [on the Venezuela side] has been taken by chavista colectivos armados (civilian armed groups). Opposition deputies are there" dublish posted:I hope Blue Nation can stay safe through all this. Yeah, me too. Last I read from him on the thread, it sounded like he was in some really serious trouble. EDIT: It looks like this feed is from Tienditas. The trucks are moving: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swy7Tu7fkbU EDIT 2: In this video you can see the two National Guard armoured trucks that sped into Colombia this morning speeding towards the border.  because towards the end you see a girl with a large wound on her forehead.https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1099329008880234497 Chuck Boone fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Feb 23, 2019 |
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Feb 23, 2019 16:40
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zapplez posted:Don't you think Venezuela has a better chance of recovery after a regime change because the country was ran well as little as 10 years ago? Compared to Iraq and Libya which were hell holes for years and years. makes it less likely, not more. take a nice long look at our resume. we don't do rebuilding. looting, looting we do. we do looting quite well. take a look at the IMF's proposals re: Venezuela to see how we have already itemized precisely what the people of Venezuela will need to pay in order to atone for the crime of having their major export industry domestically owned. there will be that period of good feelings, when the cash up front from the loans gets distributed, and the old corruption is in the process of being replaced with the new. as in Iraq and Libya, the neocons will cheer that finally, finally, they have proved the naysayers wrong. this time was different. and then the people of Venezuela need to start paying the IMF back, and the money will need to come from somewhere, and it's easiest to take from the people low on the totem pole, and some of them might start having ideas, and some of those ideas will be converted into action, and Uncle Abrams will proceed to play the greatest hits of the 80s. here's hoping I'm wrong! the alternative is not great.
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The opposition-appointed ambassador to Brazil says that the humanitarian aid from Roraima has already entered Venezuela. I haven't seen any visual confirmation yet, though: https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1099338374580715526 EDIT: Marco Rubio, log off https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1099338241004785664 EDIT 2: There's a huge crowd of protesters at the front gate of the La Carlota airbase in Caracas. Apparently they're there to ask the garrison to defect: https://twitter.com/_Provea/status/1099340736020004864 EDIT 3: Here's a live feed from La Carlota: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87rT4Augaqk The crowd is singing the national anthem right now. Chuck Boone fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Feb 23, 2019 |
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Bob le Moche posted:I don't know why we're speculating about a way for the US to send aid without politicizing it because the only reason the US sends aid in the first place is because it can politicize it Not sure why accepting aid from the US is more politically embarrassing than children starving to death, but that’s Chavismo for you I guess.
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Bob le Moche posted:I don't know why we're speculating about a way for the US to send aid without politicizing it because the only reason the US sends aid in the first place is because it can politicize it Do you believe no aid is better than political aid?
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:makes it less likely, not more. take a nice long look at our resume. we don't do rebuilding. looting, looting we do. we do looting quite well. take a look at the IMF's proposals re: Venezuela to see how we have already itemized precisely what the people of Venezuela will need to pay in order to atone for the crime of having their major export industry domestically owned. I don't think you get my point. What "good" country that was running well with well fed, well educated, healthy people with a democratic government has the USA couped before? Venezuela isn't that anymore, but they were as little as a decade ago. Libya or Iraq or whatever else example you want to use wasn't those things ever.
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"We can't let the aid in, it's too politicized!" "We can't let the aid in, it's actually full of assault rifles!" "We can't let the aid in, it's actually poisoned food!" What did I miss?
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Looks like the food has just barely made it into Venezuela, and hasn't yet encountered the line of National Guard troops. https://twitter.com/domphillips/status/1099347912465747969 Meanwhile on the Colombia border: https://twitter.com/coweddle/status/1099350039447724032
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Fallen Hamprince posted:Not sure why accepting aid from the US is more politically embarrassing than children starving to death, but that’s Chavismo for you I guess.
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zapplez posted:Libya or Iraq or whatever else example you want to use wasn't those things ever. Libya had the highest standard of living among countries in Africa. Wealthy white liberals in America prefer to believe that nations need to be American client states in order to become successful, which is part of the problem and addiction to foreign intervention.
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Fallen Hamprince posted:Not sure why accepting aid from the US is more politically embarrassing than children starving to death, but that’s Chavismo for you I guess. zapplez posted:Do you believe no aid is better than political aid?
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Private Witt posted:Looks like the food has just barely made it into Venezuela, and hasn't yet encountered the line of National Guard troops. Yes, I think that's correct. The way that the border is set up there, you can drive into Venezuela without actually going through the official border crossing. I think the truck just drove a bit into Venezuela:  This is the crossing.
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Feb 23, 2019 18:12
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Bob le Moche posted:Do you disagree with my statement? Do you think the US would send aid to Venezuela purely out of humanitarian concern if it wasn't a part of its regime-change plans? Why are you changing subjects? You have a lot of difficulty answering questions when it shows your point is hosed.
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:Libya had the highest standard of living among countries in Africa. Wealthy white liberals in America prefer to believe that nations need to be American client states in order to become successful, which is part of the problem and addiction to foreign intervention. You would have been ok living in Libya ? Or was it in fact a lovely place to live for most people?
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poo poo is seriously going down on that bridge. If it escalates any further those cops are screwed. Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrvMZSZS2OY
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All aid originating from a country’s government is political as it is a form of “soft power” hth I’m not sure it’s useful to opine about government sourced aid that is not political (where political is a synonym for bad) as opposed to the specific ramifications of said aid.
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zapplez posted:You have a lot of difficulty answering questions when it shows your point is hosed.
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zapplez posted:You would have been ok living in Libya ? Or was it in fact a lovely place to live for most people? what kind of line of poo poo argument is this? someone just posted that it had the highest standard of living on the continent and your argument is "well would you, a 1st world westerner want to live there? is that the bar for invading, destroying, and destabilizing nations now? "you wouldn't want to liver there, would you?" and then of course the question is: "when was the last time a US invasion has resulted in a net gain in standard of living?" seriously, answer that question first. when has US involvement actually made things better? iraq - worse afghanistan - worse yemen - worse syria - worse libya - worse honduras after the coup - worse somalia - worse help me remember some more why on earth do people think "this time it'll be different" why do people think international aid organizations are staying the gently caress away from this nightmare scenario? who believes the american government more than the red cross? rubes. the answer is rubes. RaySmuckles fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Feb 23, 2019 |
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ltugo posted:poo poo is seriously going down on that bridge. If it escalates any further those cops are screwed. Looks like the cops are letting the colectivos do their dirty work for them. So far it hasn't escalated further than people chucking rocks back and forth and the occasional tear gas canister. I know which images will be cherrypicked by Telesur et al. beer_war fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Feb 23, 2019 |
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beer_war posted:Looks like the cops are letting the colectivos do their dirty work for them. Yes. I can't believe I just saw that. The police let the pro-gov't crowd behind them onto the bridge. The pro-gov't crowd pushed the protesters back by throwing rocks at them. It looks like the pro-gov't crowd has pulled back now. EDIT: More internet blockages today. My relatives in Venezuela are getting news from me because they're telling me they can't access news reliably right now. https://twitter.com/netblocks/status/1099329147707502592 EDIT: Donald Trump, LOG OFF https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1099360827591835648 Chuck Boone fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Feb 23, 2019 |
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zapplez posted:You would have been ok living in Libya ? Or was it in fact a lovely place to live for most people? This is a clown question bro. Comparing Libya to settler colonial robber economies is like comparing Venezuela to the US. Of course it’s not as nice, but even maduros Venezuela is better than post-Obama Central America in terms of living standards.
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Ureña seems to be the place with the most tension right now outside of some of the other border checkpoints. The town is right on the border next to Cúcuta in Colombia. Various clips can be found on twitter. https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ure%C3%B1a?src=hash
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RaffyTaffy posted:Ureña seems to be the place with the most tension right now outside of some of the other border checkpoints. uhh, did you check the live feed from the bridge? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrvMZSZS2OY
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:This is a clown question bro. Can you give me a break down of cost of living between average latin america and maduros venezuela I love when you post telesur or other propaganda news outlets like theyre legitimate
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RaySmuckles posted:someone just posted that it had the highest standard of living on the continent and your argument is "well would you, a 1st world westerner want to live there? It would have been nice if they'd linked to a source that actually backed that claim up.
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zapplez posted:You would have been ok living in Libya ? Or was it in fact a lovely place to live for most people? Good Lord
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Guys, I don't think chucking some rocks is gonna do a whole lot against police with shields and riot gear.
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beer_war posted:Guys, I don't think chucking some rocks is gonna do a whole lot against police with shields and riot gear. Yeah, Ukraine showed that the most effective defense against riot cops is burning tires.
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Kurnugia posted:uhh, did you check the live feed from the bridge? Earlier you had protesters sending buses through the police lines in Ureña. https://twitter.com/andretty80/status/1099351101214810112 That was the second one. They moved up an armored car with a machine gun before the third went through.
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Police now shooting tear gas at the Francisco de Paula Santander bridge as well, just as the trucks with aid were rolling up.
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Looks like it may be one of the towns the convoy is passing through nowish. https://twitter.com/ValeraNoticia/status/1099364800839090176 https://twitter.com/AguilaWF/status/1099365538462093312
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RaffyTaffy posted:Looks like it may be one of the towns the convoy is passing through nowish. Yes, that shot is just before the police started shooting tear gas.
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