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Elephant Parade posted:the question is whether he's the (unfortunately) common "social liberal/economic conservative" and he legit doesn't want to start a derail or if his views are especially abysmal and he hopes to conceal them. unfortunately, we may never learn the truth im betting social conservative fiscal liberal
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Gyges posted:Beware the radical right wing Democratic Socialists. we must remove bukharin and his followers from this thread
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Cao Ni Ma posted:You can probably write a light novel about two people getting married with slave devices and their day to day life being a constant struggle of subservience to each other. Please, in English we have a very important name for this. Any attempt to translate it would lose it's unique meaning, which is very important in matrimony. From now on, please only use the term "Wedding Ring".
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new conversation subject: does the shield hero thread condone or condemn the new economic plan
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This is my thread and we don’t discuss weak American politics here, only cool British politics
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*dumps the thread's tea into the harbor* now what're you gonna do
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Captain Invictus posted:*dumps the thread's tea into the harbor* now what're you gonna do  My word! Such barbarian behaviour!
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Namtab posted:cool British politics clever use of an oxymoron
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Namtab posted:This is my thread and we don’t discuss weak American politics here, only cool British politics oi, so what issues, guvna?
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Feb 23, 2019 16:13
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Who's corbyn's best girl
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Namtab posted:This is my thread and we don’t discuss weak American politics here, only cool British politics Brexit was a mistake to leave to the everyman.
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Brexit would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic.
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Get this filth out of my chapel or so help me I'll end you all.
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Sharkopath posted:Get this filth out of my chapel or so help me I'll end you all. Honestly, the level of discourse after an actual fan of the show decided to show up and voice their opinions has convinced me that everyone is mad at this show because of some twitter hot take made with zero information backing it up. Like I'm not even sure what's wrong with the show anymore. Naofumi starts with little social standing and loses what little remaining they had due to a false accusation. I don't think there is anything wrong with using a false accusation as a plot device; one of the greatest American novels, To Kill a Mockingbird, also used a false accusation as a plot device and no one complains about that. Since Naofumi cannot find any willing companions, he is forced by circumstance into the purchase of demihuman slaves who can help fight with him. This not only shows how low Naofumi has sunk, but also serves to highlight how hypocritical the kingdom is for allowing demihumans to be kept as slaves while claiming to be a just and noble society. Here there is another example of how well written the light novel is, since during this purchase the author reveals the misogynist mindset the protagonist is currently in. I think it would be sloppy writing on an author's part to not explore the negative feelings towards the opposite sex that someone would feel if they were falsely accused and had their life ruined. Obviously these feelings are misplaced, since the act was that of a single woman (who turns out later to not even be human), but noone would be fully rational after such an event. Really, I think the author being a woman made her feel like she could write Naofumi's true feelings down without fear of being labeled a misogynist herself. Instead, people choose to misgender her since obviously a woman would never write such a thing and it must be a man instead. This goes to show how the haters of the show are really the ones harboring some of these ill feelings towards women and projecting them as hard as they can. Another criticism I saw was that Raphtalia was a child, but I think this is actually a great bit of storytelling on the author's part that people were too worked up to recognize. The only source for the age of Raphtalia is Raphtalia herself, and remember that she is a Tanuki, known for being very tricky. Since demihumans physically age based on their level, and not by time passing, she could be any age and is likely very old and wise. It becomes obvious from Naofumi's future actions that she lied about her age in an effort to calm down his anger towards her (stemming from his misogyny) by pretending to be younger than she is and thus play to his soft side, and it clearly worked. She is obviously wise beyond her claimed number of years, because she is older than she says. The other criticism is that Raphtalia requests that the slave collar be placed back on her after Naofumi removes it. Again, her smarts are playing a key role in the story here because she recognizes that while she may be free, since demihumans are kept as slaves in many areas there is a high chance that someone may abduct her thinking she is a runaway slave. By placing the slave collar back on, any potential slave traders would be wary of stealing her since her 'owner' (in this case her close friend Naofumi) would certainly attempt to rescue her, which is not worth the trouble. Instead of recognizing the wiseness of her decision, people would rather deny her agency and state that the author is claiming that women should be subservient to men, which I think couldn't be farther from the truth. Overall, there doesn't seem to be anything in the show which really warrants the level of vitriol that this thread has leveled against it. I think everyone would do well to take a step back and really evaluate it from first principles, instead of taking other people's words for how you should feel about it.
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I forgot about this hot take. Anyone paying attention would know that demihumans are kept as slaves in terrible conditions. Raphtalia is telling him that if he actually gave a single poo poo about demihumans, he would either purchase slaves in order to free them from their plights or he would fight the powers that be and free all demihumans from slavery. However, he doesn't really care about them enough to actually break the law to free them. This has a lot of parallels with slavery in the United States and even the Civil Rights movement of the 1950's. I think Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. summed up the type of person that Sword Hero is in this letter he wrote: quote:First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection. This is just another example of how good this work is since most Americans probably don't even recognize the quote, but the Japanese author decided to reference it in her work. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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source your quotes
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BattleMaster posted:source your quotes https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...m=.49c6ba59854b
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ah, we reached the "poster adopts the unsourced quotes gimmick" part of the mockthread cycle
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if i wanted to read sub-youtube comment level discourse id click on your post history, cappy
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Captain Cappy posted:Honestly, the level of discourse after an actual fan of the show decided to show up and voice their opinions has convinced me that everyone is mad at this show because of some twitter hot take made with zero information backing it up. Like I'm not even sure what's wrong with the show anymore. gently caress you!!
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Captain Cappy posted:Another criticism I saw was that Raphtalia was a child, but I think this is actually a great bit of storytelling on the author's part that people were too worked up to recognize. The only source for the age of Raphtalia is Raphtalia herself, and remember that she is a Tanuki, known for being very tricky. Since demihumans physically age based on their level, and not by time passing, she could be any age and is likely very old and wise. It becomes obvious from Naofumi's future actions that she lied about her age in an effort to calm down his anger towards her (stemming from his misogyny) by pretending to be younger than she is and thus play to his soft side, and it clearly worked. She is obviously wise beyond her claimed number of years, because she is older than she says. I won't lie, I have really hard time to formulate a non-insulting retort to "she just looks like a child, she is actually 700 years old and really mature and smart, she just conceals it by acting childishly!"
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The slave seal bullshit makes no sense and the excuse that Slave girl willingly gets it back in order to protect her from other slavers is idiotic. Because there is NOTHING preventing people from kidnapping her and removing the slave seal like they did before. Why would having it prevent her from being kidnapped again? People hate the Shield hero, so slave seal or not, if they wanted to mess with him they would do so regardless. It's faulty thinking almost as if it's a child's reasoning. And guess what!? Slave girl still has the mind of a child. Wise beyond her years? Don't make me loving laugh.
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Captain Cappy posted:Really, I think the author being a woman made her feel like she could write Naofumi's true feelings down without fear of being labeled a misogynist herself. Instead, people choose to misgender her since obviously a woman would never write such a thing and it must be a man instead. This goes to show how the haters of the show are really the ones harboring some of these ill feelings towards women and projecting them as hard as they can.  The mangaka is a girl. The original author, Aneko Yusagi, is just a Pen Name, and has not personally disclosed their gender. They use the pronoun 'boku', which is typically more masculine, but they apparently identify as genderless. The people claiming that they're a woman are playing a bad game of telephone, and also ignoring the obvious fact that women can make sexist, or troubling works as well.
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Julias posted:
I thought that was a misreading, and they were talking about one of their characters being agender?
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CharlestonJew posted:what kind of quarantine zone probates all the people who actually like the show it's really more like going big game hunting at one of those places with automatic feeders
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Srice posted:gently caress you!!
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Darth Walrus posted:I thought that was a misreading, and they were talking about one of their characters being agender? Yes, the author was writing about a character, not themselves.
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Srice posted:gently caress you!!
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Lurking Haro posted:Yes, the author was writing about a character, not themselves. Ah that makes sense. The author's gender identity being unknown is still the case, though.
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Srice posted:gently caress you!!
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Elephant Parade posted:every time someone argues that formal slavery is the best outcome for SH's beastfolk without acknowledging that SH's author has specifically chosen to write the setting that way, an english professor cries Crying English professors aside, it's a rationalization that doesn't even make sense. Shield dude is a mythic warrior and all his slaves are apparently super powerful too. Who the hell is going to go and kidnap/enslave/whatever his collection of stockholm child slaves? Apparently Raftelia is a super warrior who can turn invisible and is equipped with some of the best weapons and armor available. Who is going to rules lawyer their way into enslave/whatever her that wouldn't be able to do so anyway? How is being super happy about being a slave helping her in any actual way? Which gets at another weird as hell set of hoops that everyone who has come in to justify this shitpile has set up. Let's go ahead and, for the sake of argument, grant that each individual problematic element has been successfully defended. We then come to the issue of the large collection of individual issues. At what point do you look at the "totally justified" misogyny, slavery, child slavery, false rape allegations and the rest, and step back to consider the whole? At some point you've got to admit that even if they are individually justifiable the presence of so much bullshit in one story is not a bug but a feature.
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Captain Cappy posted:Honestly, the level of discourse after an actual fan of the show decided to show up and voice their opinions has convinced me that everyone is mad at this show because of some twitter hot take made with zero information backing it up. Like I'm not even sure what's wrong with the show anymore. I didn’t read this and lmao if u did
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Gyges posted:Please, in English we have a very important name for this. Any attempt to translate it would lose it's unique meaning, which is very important in matrimony. From now on, please only use the term "Wedding Ring". You mean those things the Pillar Men used on Joseph Joestar?
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Galvanik posted:I feel like slavery is bad, even if you treat a slave better than someone else does. you see, the slaves enjoy being slaves, because
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Galvanik posted:I feel like slavery is bad, even if you treat a slave better than someone else does.
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