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fishmech posted:french is absolutely full of spellings with no connection to how the words are pronounced within the past 600 years and copious dead letters, they're just slightly more consistent in how it happens and the language authority pretends as many loanwords as possible aren't real words there was a quebecois game show called "des mots et des maux" (words and woes) [homophones] that was about spelling and grammar it was as boring as you'd expect but the memorable part was the judge had a terrific beard it was canceled a few years ago
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fishmech posted:french is absolutely full of spellings with no connection to how the words are pronounced within the past 600 years and copious dead letters, they're just slightly more consistent in how it happens and the language authority pretends as many loanwords as possible aren't real words If you drop out the loan words you end up with Germanic.
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The_Franz posted:english is still the only language where the disconnect between spelling and pronunciation is big enough that spelling contests are a thing the documentary Spellbound is a really good look into that world
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how do you pronounce solder
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Gallatin posted:how do you pronounce solder saw-durr
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcpsnrxHdCc hell yeah ready for my enlarged children's school attack surface secfuck dystopia
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DrPossum posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcpsnrxHdCc i'm the security door on one side of the classroom and the large, single-paned, first-floor windows with no shutters on the other
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my high school had big steel window blinds on all the buildings because of "gang violence"
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When I was in high school in the 00s (in Europe) I got detention for bypassing the chat-blocking software and connecting to a chat server. I asked the teacher why playing games on the school computers was ok (as long as nobody needed them for doing assignments) but chatting was not. "Because internet chats is where you meet rapists and if you do that at home that's fine but the school doesn't want to be responsible for this."
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the it aup we all had to sign at my school included that we would not use the computers to influence the vote of a senator
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duz posted:the it aup we all had to sign at my school included that we would not use the computers to influence the vote of a senator Did you?
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duz posted:the it aup we all had to sign at my school included that we would not use the computers to influence the vote of a senator that seems strangely specific.
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where's the technical chat thread?
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The_Franz posted:i'm the security door on one side of the classroom and the large, single-paned, first-floor windows with no shutters on the other i'm the smoke bombs embedded in the ceiling that probably emit carcinogens and will definitely go off accidentally several times a year
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I'm the four hundred thousand dollars.
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DrPossum posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcpsnrxHdCc
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Doom Mathematic posted:Thus, the waterstuff bulkbit bestands of two waterstuff unclefts, the sourstuff bulkbit of two sourstuff unclefts, and so on. (Some kinds, such as sunstuff, keep alone; others, such as iron, cling together in ices when in the fast standing; and there are yet more yokeways.) I'm ymirstuff-235
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mystes posted:It's smart to have the kids hide in a position where they can't be seen. Obviously potential school shooters will not be familiar with the emergency procedures so they will be easily tricked. school shooters' vision is based on object impermanence, you don't exist if they can't see you
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Grace Baiting posted:school shooters' vision is based on object impermanence, you don't exist if they can't see you Just like the T-Rex!
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Doom Mathematic posted:Thus, the waterstuff bulkbit bestands of two waterstuff unclefts, the sourstuff bulkbit of two sourstuff unclefts, and so on. (Some kinds, such as sunstuff, keep alone; others, such as iron, cling together in ices when in the fast standing; and there are yet more yokeways.) the dwarf fortress artefact generator needs patching again I see
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Methanar posted:The french are way more hosed up when it comes to the written language being absolutely nothing like the spoken form. even old English and Germanic roots in English have hosed up spelling consider night/knight, bight/bite, why/wye or loch/lock those spelling differences were phonetically relevant when spellings started to “gel” in the sixteenth century but sounds have dropped from the language and pronunciations have changed
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ur new av is sick and I keep forgetting its you
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The interesting thing is that if you read a text in a language like German or Dutch written in Shakespearean times, it's incredibly difficult to make sense of. It could as well be a completely different language. I read some Dutch historical texts and modern publications always come with both the original and a modern Dutch translation. However, if you read Shakespeare, you don't really need any translation. Although the way of speaking has changed, the words are mostly the same. As far as I know, this is because most languages, such as Dutch, updated their spelling as their pronunciation changed. English is the exception: it mostly kept the ancient spelling but the pronunciation changed, making the written and spoken language move away from each other further and further.
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Silver Alicorn posted:my high school had big steel window blinds on all the buildings because of "gang violence" we had the big metal storm shutters but that’s because it was Florida
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Carbon dioxide posted:The interesting thing is that if you read a text in a language like German or Dutch written in Shakespearean times, it's incredibly difficult to make sense of. It could as well be a completely different language. I read some Dutch historical texts and modern publications always come with both the original and a modern Dutch translation. you have this so wrong i'm not sure where to start but i'mma try
as always bear in mind i am not a linguist this is a casual hobby for me because i enjoy etymology. linguistics of english is a secondary item for me as a hobbyist just, in general, english is a hosed up mongrel language and folks who make claims about purity are crazy
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:you have this so wrong i'm not sure where to start but i'mma try
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RichardA posted:Fairly sure Carbon dioxide meant that ~400 year old Dutch/German is far harder to read for a modern Dutch/German reader than it is for a modern English reader to read ~400 year old English. Exactly. The difference BETWEEN English and Dutch has nothing to do with it.
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ye olde yosposse yead
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Securitae gently caress Uppe Maegethreade
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Hed posted:ye olde yosposse yead ye was actually thorn blargh agrhg blarghl 
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english spelling didn't finish out to the point where a current dictionary would match up the spellings until basically the 18th century, ancient spelling almost doesn't apply at all in english. nearly all long term english words have A spelling that we use now and could also be found as much as 1000 years ago, but between that time and now you would have only found said spelling in certain specific regions or contexts as opposed to the post 1750 or so era of semi-unified spelling (oceanic differences notwithstanding, though ultimately american spellings tend to be longer standing) now the constellation of different spellings from about 4 centuries ago say, thats stuff that tends to have variations that are still similar enough to modern that it aint hard to figure 'em out cuz they'll often be common ways to misspell now. and the general grammar rules are already present as we'd use them so that helps a lot too fishmech fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Feb 25, 2019 |
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quote:For example, in Year 1 that useless letter `c' would be dropped to be replased either by `k' or `s', and likewise `x' would no longer be part of the alphabet. The only kase in which `c' would be retained would be the `ch' formation, which will be dealt with later. Year 2 might reform `w' spelling, so that "which" and "one" would take the same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish `y' replasing it with `i' and Iear 4 might fiks the "g/j" anomali wonse and for all. --Mark Twain
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fishmech posted:english spelling didn't finish out to the point where a current dictionary would match up the spellings until basically the 18th century, ancient spelling almost doesn't apply at all in english. you would have absolutely no trouble reading a 400 year old text, and most of the spelling would be familiar. reading chaucer in the original english would be completely impossible.
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RichardA posted:Fairly sure Carbon dioxide meant that ~400 year old Dutch/German is far harder to read for a modern Dutch/German reader than it is for a modern English reader to read ~400 year old English. just by coincidence modern dutch stabilised around the same time as english. a 16th century text should be very comprehensible to a modern reader (german is a more complicated story and i don't know enough to say)
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:you would have absolutely no trouble reading a 400 year old text, and most of the spelling would be familiar. hmm you seem to be quite stupid today. here is what i mean by the selling not being standardized to modern versions yet, but the grammar being appropriate: Forasmuch as the good education of children is of singular behoof and benefit to any Common-wealth; and whereas many parents & masters are too indulgent and negligent of their duty in that kind. It is therfore ordered that the Select men of every town, in the severall precincts and quarters where they dwell, shall have a vigilant eye over their brethren & neighbours, to see, first that none of them shall suffer so much barbarism in any of their families as not to indeavour to teach by themselves or others, their children & apprentices so much learning as may enable them perfectly to read the English tongue, & knowledge of the Capital Lawes: upon penaltie of twentie shillings for each neglect therin. Also that all masters of families do once a week (at the least) catechize their children and servants in the grounds & principles of Religion, & if any be unable to do so much: that then at the least they procure such children or apprentices to learn some short orthodox catechism without book, that they may be able to answer unto the questions that shall be propounded to them out of such catechism by their parents or masters or any of the Select men when they shall call them to a tryall of what they have learned of this kind. And further that all parents and masters do breed & bring up their children & apprentices in some honest lawful calling, labour or employment, either in husbandry, or some other trade profitable for themselves, and the Common-wealth if they will not or cannot train them up in learning to fit them for higher employments. And if any of the Select men after admonition by them given to such masters of families shall find them still negligent of their duty in the particulars aforementioned, whereby children and servants become rude, stubborn & unruly; the said Select men with the help of two Magistrates, or the next County court for that Shire, shall take such children or apprentices from them & place them with some masters for years (boyes till they come to twenty one, and girls eighteen years of age compleat) which will more strictly look unto, and force them to submit unto government according to the rules of this order, if by fair means and former instructions they will not be drawn into it. -Massachusetts School Law of 1642
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fishmech posted:hmm you seem to be quite stupid today. here is what i mean by the selling not being standardized to modern versions yet, but the grammar being appropriate: perfectly clear, with highly regular spelling, over 99% of which is still valid today are you illiterate?
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:perfectly clear, with highly regular spelling, over 99% of which is still valid today what the gently caress are you smoking to not understand what i said? why do you keep talking about entirely unrelated things?
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