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EugeneJ
Feb 5, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Still waiting for Amazon to throw up the rest of Salute Your Shorts episodes like 10 years later

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FunOne
Aug 20, 2000
I am a slimey vat of concentrated stupidity

Fun Shoe
Anyone have a strong opinion about YouTube TV? How are the quality of the Roku and Xbox apps? The video?

I'll probably try it this weekend to catch the NHL all-star stuff, that should be a good way to get a feel for the quality.

ScooterMcTiny
Apr 7, 2004

FunOne posted:

Anyone have a strong opinion about YouTube TV? How are the quality of the Roku and Xbox apps? The video?

I'll probably try it this weekend to catch the NHL all-star stuff, that should be a good way to get a feel for the quality.

I’m a big fan - have been using for over a year on iOS devices and Apple TV. HOWEVER, for the life of me I can’t get it to accurately track my viewing habits. It suggests MSNBC or Fox News or poo poo when I have literally never watched those channels before.

However I don’t really watch TV using the guide or channel surfing anymore so it works out alright. Cloud DVR is amazing.

phosdex
Dec 16, 2005

I'm at almost a year with YouTube tv too. Works great for me, mostly watch hockey on my rsn. The recommendations don't match up for me either, I just ignore that.

KingKapalone
Dec 20, 2005
1/16 Native American + 1/2 Hungarian = Totally Badass
Has anyone used Amazon Recast? It says it needs a FireTV device hooked up. If my dad has a FireTV on one TV, can another TV get the recorded content over the network somehow without one?

Is there a preferred DVR? I see someone mentioned Plex, and my dad does have a Plex server so would that be preferred?

I saw talk on reddit about IPTV. Anyone have a good primer on that? Would it work with an AppleTV?

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

KingKapalone posted:

Has anyone used Amazon Recast? It says it needs a FireTV device hooked up. If my dad has a FireTV on one TV, can another TV get the recorded content over the network somehow without one?
I have a Recast. It can stream to Fire TV devices and to mobile devices running the Fire TV app. The Recast can be anywhere on the network, it doesn't hook directly to the Fire TV.

For TVs that don't run Fire TV I would just get a Fire TV Stick for cheap.

Maneki Neko
Oct 27, 2000

Don Lapre posted:

Just get rid of them now. You wont believe how quickly you forget about all the crappy tv on cable.

It’s just for the waifu at this point, she grew up in a house with no tv and I think it broke her brain about it :(

Even the kids don’t really care anymore

KingKapalone
Dec 20, 2005
1/16 Native American + 1/2 Hungarian = Totally Badass

Rastor posted:

I have a Recast. It can stream to Fire TV devices and to mobile devices running the Fire TV app. The Recast can be anywhere on the network, it doesn't hook directly to the Fire TV.

For TVs that don't run Fire TV I would just get a Fire TV Stick for cheap.

Thanks. I think my dad's only use case is to time shift sports and the news. That seems like the only use of the device too so maybe it's perfect?

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

KingKapalone posted:

Thanks. I think my dad's only use case is to time shift sports and the news. That seems like the only use of the device too so maybe it's perfect?

A lot of the streaming cord cutter services offer local channels, but if you picked a combo that doesn't (or doesn't in your area), then yes the Recast is a good choice, just as long as you're willing to equip each TV with a Fire TV. Check how big of an antenna you'll need with a tool like tvfool.

KingKapalone
Dec 20, 2005
1/16 Native American + 1/2 Hungarian = Totally Badass

Rastor posted:

A lot of the streaming cord cutter services offer local channels, but if you picked a combo that doesn't (or doesn't in your area), then yes the Recast is a good choice, just as long as you're willing to equip each TV with a Fire TV. Check how big of an antenna you'll need with a tool like tvfool.

Those services don't have DVR though right?

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

KingKapalone posted:

Those services don't have DVR though right?

Some don't, some charge extra for it, some include it. If you're using the suppose.tv tool, be sure to check the "DVR required" option at top.

Silly Burrito
Nov 27, 2007

SET A COURSE FOR
THE FLAVOR QUADRANT
Kodi got updated on my Shield TV to v18, and it screwed everything up to where it would only play a few seconds of any video, then quit. Had to eventually uninstall it and side load a version of 17.6 from Kodi's website to get it working again (after I had to reconfigure everything). Supposedly if you use the one from Kodi's website, it will never update itself, unlike the one from Google Play.

I'm sure the v18 issues will sort themselves out, but there's nothing like coming home to a mad family because their cartoons wouldn't play.

Minidust
Nov 4, 2009

Keep bustin'
Did PS Vue kill the “previous channel” function or is my Apple TV just being weird? If I press and hold the main button it just pauses, instead of bringing up that mini-menu. I tried the iPhone remote app as well to make sure it wasn’t just a physical button problem.

gret
Dec 12, 2005

goggle-eyed freak


Minidust posted:

Did PS Vue kill the “previous channel” function or is my Apple TV just being weird? If I press and hold the main button it just pauses, instead of bringing up that mini-menu. I tried the iPhone remote app as well to make sure it wasn’t just a physical button problem.

Just tried it and it still works for me. Try restarting your Apple TV? I've had that happen once but restarting the Apple TV fixed it.

Minidust
Nov 4, 2009

Keep bustin'

gret posted:

Just tried it and it still works for me. Try restarting your Apple TV? I've had that happen once but restarting the Apple TV fixed it.
Yeah I just turned it off and on again and it was good... thanks!

Cornjob
Jun 12, 2007

NOT AN ACTOR

Rastor posted:

I have a Recast. It can stream to Fire TV devices and to mobile devices running the Fire TV app. The Recast can be anywhere on the network, it doesn't hook directly to the Fire TV.

For TVs that don't run Fire TV I would just get a Fire TV Stick for cheap.

Isnt a “gotcha” on recast that each firetv has to be registered to one prime account?

So if i have a prime account, ant i want to share my locals with my parents in another state, their firetv/sticks will have to be fully logged into my prime, meaning well share watch history on prime content?

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Cornjob posted:

Isnt a “gotcha” on recast that each firetv has to be registered to one prime account?

So if i have a prime account, ant i want to share my locals with my parents in another state, their firetv/sticks will have to be fully logged into my prime, meaning well share watch history on prime content?

Their Fire TV sticks wouldn't even see the Recast because they would be on a different network, unless you established a VPN and at that point why are you not stopping to think about what you are doing

KingKapalone
Dec 20, 2005
1/16 Native American + 1/2 Hungarian = Totally Badass
Anyone have an antenna recommendation based on this? http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d9038217eabe405

My TV and the windows behind it are all West facing. There's a wall/door on the north side so probably no luck there.

I can get big discounts on Mohus so that would be nice if you think it's suitable.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

KingKapalone posted:

Anyone have an antenna recommendation based on this? http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d9038217eabe405

My TV and the windows behind it are all West facing. There's a wall/door on the north side so probably no luck there.

I can get big discounts on Mohus so that would be nice if you think it's suitable.

I'm not familiar with Mohu antennae, but I think the more important question is what does the north/east wall look like, and what is behind it? Also what is the building made from?

KingKapalone
Dec 20, 2005
1/16 Native American + 1/2 Hungarian = Totally Badass

Iron Crowned posted:

I'm not familiar with Mohu antennae, but I think the more important question is what does the north/east wall look like, and what is behind it? Also what is the building made from?

The TV is directly up against the west wall. About 8 feet to the right (the north) is the front door to the apartment. It's the second floor of a duplex, so the other side of that door is a staircase that hugs that north facing wall. It goes down a half flight to a landing and then does a U turn for the next half. You exit to the west out the front door of the house.

House is old, from the 1930s or so. The interior of the walls are plaster, other walls are some sort of stucco like stuff I think.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

KingKapalone posted:

The TV is directly up against the west wall. About 8 feet to the right (the north) is the front door to the apartment. It's the second floor of a duplex, so the other side of that door is a staircase that hugs that north facing wall. It goes down a half flight to a landing and then does a U turn for the next half. You exit to the west out the front door of the house.

House is old, from the 1930s or so. The interior of the walls are plaster, other walls are some sort of stucco like stuff I think.

Assuming you can't mount one inside, a decently constructed directional antenna placed on top of a bookshelf (away from as many electronics as possible) should do fine, especially if you don't have brick walls. Just point the thing between the two main directions. Worst case scenario is an amplifier could help, but if that east wall is an exterior wall, you should be ok.

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.

KingKapalone posted:

Anyone have an antenna recommendation based on this? http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d9038217eabe405

My TV and the windows behind it are all West facing. There's a wall/door on the north side so probably no luck there.

I can get big discounts on Mohus so that would be nice if you think it's suitable.

https://www.solidsignal.com/p/ota.asp?d=tv-antenna-selector-help&mc=03

Cornjob
Jun 12, 2007

NOT AN ACTOR

Rastor posted:

Their Fire TV sticks wouldn't even see the Recast because they would be on a different network, unless you established a VPN and at that point why are you not stopping to think about what you are doing

Isnt the point to stream your locals outside your network, from time to time? The ad shows people watching on their phones away from home. Does this only work on mobile devices and not firetvs?

Edit: found the answer
How many devices can I pair with Fire TV Recast?

You can pair Fire TV Recast with all of your compatible devices (such as Fire TV streaming media players, Fire TV Edition televisions, and Echo Show devices) as long as they are on the same network, and registered to the same Amazon account, as your Fire TV Recast. You can also pair with compatible mobile devices. You can watch live or recorded programs on any two of these devices simultaneously.

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

Related news, since this thread is largely about how to stream, but Samsung is going to stop manufacturing Blu-ray and 4K Blu-ray players, leading people to think that the age of the Blu-ray will be coming to an end soon.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-end-of-blu-ray/

quote:

Blu-ray is dead.

It's not often that an industry's leading OEM quits, but that's what Samsung has done. Samsung had 37 percent of the market, followed by Sony at 31 percent and LG at 13 percent, according to market research firm NPD Group. On Amazon, Samsung had four of Amazon's 10 best-selling Blu-ray players including the most popular model.

With its demise, Blu-ray follows Laserdisc, BetaMax, and VHS VCRs into the second-hand stores. DVDs may soon follow. Ted Sarandos, Netflix's longtime head of content told Variety, even though Netflix still has three-million DVD subscribers, "We never spent one minute trying to save the DVD business."

Why? It's all because of streaming.

I think the article is overstating the current state of affairs (it's dying, not dead), but still an interesting development.

Q_res
Oct 29, 2005

We're fucking built for this shit!
I have to wonder if the balkanization of streaming might not give physical media a second chance at life. Though that certainly makes things look kind of dire on that front.

stevewm
May 10, 2005

thrawn527 posted:

Related news, since this thread is largely about how to stream, but Samsung is going to stop manufacturing Blu-ray and 4K Blu-ray players, leading people to think that the age of the Blu-ray will be coming to an end soon.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-end-of-blu-ray/


I think the article is overstating the current state of affairs (it's dying, not dead), but still an interesting development.

My cousin still owns and operates a independent video rental store (yes, they still exist!) in my hometown. He has never really had a demand for BluRay at all. DVD still dominates by far. He will generally buy 10-15 DVD copies of a new release movie, and maybe 1-2 of BluRay. All the DVD copies will rent out, and there could still be 2 BluRay copies sitting on the shelf.

Based on what I have seen, most people don't care or possibly even know what BluRay is. He used to mix BluRay in with DVDs, but ran into a lot of issues with people renting them and complaining they wouldn't work on their DVD player. So BluRays where moved to their own small corner with a sign above it saying a BluRay player is required.

Even games (xbox 360, One, PS4, etc) rent out more than BluRay.

Ixian
Oct 9, 2001

Many machines on Ix....new machines
Pillbug

stevewm posted:

My cousin still owns and operates a independent video rental store (yes, they still exist!) in my hometown. He has never really had a demand for BluRay at all. DVD still dominates by far. He will generally buy 10-15 DVD copies of a new release movie, and maybe 1-2 of BluRay. All the DVD copies will rent out, and there could still be 2 BluRay copies sitting on the shelf.

Based on what I have seen, most people don't care or possibly even know what BluRay is. He used to mix BluRay in with DVDs, but ran into a lot of issues with people renting them and complaining they wouldn't work on their DVD player. So BluRays where moved to their own small corner with a sign above it saying a BluRay player is required.

Even games (xbox 360, One, PS4, etc) rent out more than BluRay.


Certain amount of selection bias going on there though, given that it's only a measure of BDs popularity among people who still rent physical media.

stevewm
May 10, 2005

Ixian posted:

Certain amount of selection bias going on there though, given that it's only a measure of BDs popularity among people who still rent physical media.

Certainly, won't argue that.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


Samsung's players were overpriced poo poo and the market will not miss them.

But there's no denying DVD is still what sells vs Blu-ray.

Haven't seen very recent data, but as of 2018, DVD still had like 62% of the market share vs 35% of Blu-ray.

UHD Blu-ray was the remainder.

I can see a situation where UHD Blu-ray completely takes over HD bluray's market share (since the physical discs aren't much more expensive to produce), but still remains the minority to DVD.

bull3964 fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Feb 27, 2019

TheScott2K
Oct 26, 2003

I'm just saying, there's a nonzero chance Trump has a really toad penis.
DVD was just too loving good. Too big a jump. DVD will outlive everything else.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

TheScott2K posted:

DVD was just too loving good. Too big a jump. DVD will outlive everything else.

I think that most people just don't care about the quality of picture and sound.

I feel like the reason that DVD overtook the VHS isn't quite cut and dry as it was just "too good," although it certainly was at the time.

VHS hit the US market in 1977, and TVs at the time were small, blurry things with 12 inches being big. VHS was perfect for that, but by the time the 90's rolled around TVs were getting bigger and better and those blurry little things weren't cutting it anymore.

There's also the future aspect. DVDs came out right before the year 2000, putting an entire movie on a single compact disc, with bonus features was futuristic. On top of that, computers were now starting to become ubiquitous, I feel like most people's first DVD players were actually on the computer. Now you're watching the Matrix in the way of the future!

VHS still did plod along until the late 00's, and really I do think the final nail in that coffin was the 2009 digital changeover. Most people really did not pay attention that it was coming, and were caught off guard that their old analog TV could no longer get TV, and begrudgingly bought the cheapest digital TVs possible, making the DVD player the logical partner.

Per Wikipedia DVD only surpassed the VHS in 2008. 13 years is a loving long time for both VHS and DVD to coexist like that. In the end it was actually a long process for DVD to take over, and most people just don't care until they have to.

bull3964 posted:

I can see a situation where UHD Blu-ray completely takes over HD bluray's market share (since the physical discs aren't much more expensive to produce), but still remains the minority to DVD.

This is what I see playing out because at this point the people who buy Blu and UHD discs are the people who care about the quality of the media and are willing to shell out the extra couple of dollars for it.

EDIT:
To add, I know despite my family having a DVD player in 1996, I know I rented VHS until 2003, because the rental stores had much better VHS selections, and they were like $6 each vs. $12 each for the DVD.

Iron Crowned fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Feb 27, 2019

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

DVDs took off because you didn't have to rewind the stupid things and you could skip ahead to chapters. That was mind blowing stuff compared to VHS

B-Nasty
May 25, 2005

Blu-ray, or rather typical Hollywood greed, also shot itself in the foot early on by pricing Blu movies so much higher than DVDs. From the time of Blu's release until not that long ago, DVDs of new, feature movies were 1/3 to 1/2 the price ($10-$20 vs $20-$30) of the Blu-ray version. Besides tech-enthusiasts, that meant people had to decide if the movie was worth going with the 'upgraded' picture, and, rightly so, most films didn't seem worthy.

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!
🥷🐢😬



In the UK at least, a neat selling point for DVD was you could purchase the disc at a regular price when the VHS was only available to rent. That was a pretty smart marketing move. Not sure who long that lasted, as it naturally did shift back to being cinema -> rental -> purchase at some point).

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

B-Nasty posted:

Blu-ray, or rather typical Hollywood greed, also shot itself in the foot early on by pricing Blu movies so much higher than DVDs. From the time of Blu's release until not that long ago, DVDs of new, feature movies were 1/3 to 1/2 the price ($10-$20 vs $20-$30) of the Blu-ray version. Besides tech-enthusiasts, that meant people had to decide if the movie was worth going with the 'upgraded' picture, and, rightly so, most films didn't seem worthy.

Not like DVDs were cheap by any stretch of the imagination when they dropped, they were about $20-$25 each then, which is closer to $30-$40 now.

stevewm
May 10, 2005

Iron Crowned posted:


To add, I know despite my family having a DVD player in 1996, I know I rented VHS until 2003, because the rental stores had much better VHS selections, and they were like $6 each vs. $12 each for the DVD.

When my cousin took ownership of his store in 2005 the inventory was nearly half-VHS and still rented.. This was also the year by which most of the major studios had stopped VHS releases. The old owners where still getting at least one VHS copy of any new release if it was available, right up to the end.

Empress Brosephine
Mar 31, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I lived in rural as hell USA and never saw a VHS for sale after like 2003...dunno how y’all still had em until 2008

TheScott2K
Oct 26, 2003

I'm just saying, there's a nonzero chance Trump has a really toad penis.
Fun Fact: the last major studio VHS release was A History of Violence. It included a preroll ad for DVD.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit
Yeah, 2005 sounds more like it to me, but Wikipedia had 2008 listed, either way, it was still over a decade of coexistence. Technically the last VHS was manufactured in 2016.

Blu was released in 2006, but really didn't have a lot of the advantage DVD had, plus with most people having just upgraded and still on SD TVs, it was always going to be a slower burn.

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Empress Brosephine
Mar 31, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I remember the first blu Ray I got was Pineapple Express.

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