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Starks posted:If this is true it's insanely dumb. Who would really care if SNC got hit with fines from the federal government for bribing dictators while creating jobs overseas? Companies like Bombardier, GM, etc., are on a different level when it comes to political risk because they are manufacturers and will move and set up shop in Mexico if they get too much heat from the government. I don't think SNC Lavalin getting hit with fines and a ban would result in huge job losses, even the construction contracts they have in Canada can get picked up by someone else. Their head office isn't going anywhere. This whole thing seems like a very Liberal own goal. Being banned from Canadian contracts for 10 years would be an absolutely massive blow to them. That’s exactly why SNC was pushing for fines. Any of the parties would have done exactly the same thing which makes this whole thing so dumb. Mr. Apollo fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Feb 28, 2019 |
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Reality Winter posted:I'll never forgive Thomas mulcair, for sucking rear end and blowing the easiest election in canadian history, and Jack Layton, for dying I genuinely think if Mulcair said nothing he would likely have won. Instead he said "Hey now those Conservatives had some good ideas"
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Mr. Apollo posted:Because the opposition would have a heyday with “The Liberals forced SNC out of Canada and put 20,000 Canadians out of work by not exploring alternative punitive measures” Yeah, and SNC themselves would happily play into it. It's not a matter of what would actually be true. It's what they can get people to believe. I would not be surprised if a spin of "we lost all these Canadian Jobs because the Liberal government hates job creators!" gained way more traction than "if SNC had never done all these crimes there never would have been a problem".
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Mr. Apollo posted:Because the opposition would have a heyday with “The Liberals forced SNC out of Canada and put 20,000 (or whatever) Canadians out of work by not exploring alternative punitive measures” i think its pretty ridiculous to say the opposition parties would defend a corrupt company on trial for bribery during an election
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The Cheshire Cat posted:Yeah, and SNC themselves would happily play into it. RBC posted:i think its pretty ridiculous to say the opposition parties would defend a corrupt company on trial for bribery during an election Mr. Apollo fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Feb 28, 2019 |
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DariusLikewise posted:I hope everyone likes this testimony because it's going to get played 8 million times on TV from September to October, the Liberals are dumb as hell I'm sure our fearless fourth estate will dutifully bury it by then. It's not on the same level as Adscam I don't think
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Franks Happy Place posted:If JWR brings down the Trudeau government on the back of this SNC Lavalin horseshit, I may have to rethink my position that she is "useless" and "has no use". Hail Satan.
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So Scheer isn't inevitable yet, is he?
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Boomer The Cannon posted:So Scheer isn't inevitable yet, is he? Bernier's Band of Racist Idiots will split the right wing vote, meanwhile the NDP are foundering and hoping that Jagmeet generates some interest now that he's in Parliament, and also the BQ are resurgent. In short, nobody knows.
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God I hope not. As much as the government has been a huge “meh” I’d take them any day over a Conservative government (minority or majority).
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Boomer The Cannon posted:So Scheer isn't inevitable yet, is he? No but Singh and the NDP need to run on a platform of full communism now.
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Boomer The Cannon posted:So Scheer isn't inevitable yet, is he? Yes. The guy who is the personification of that "Who?" joke from Arrested Development is going to be leading at minimum a minority government by the end of this year
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PartyCrown posted:my guess is that it's someone from the ndp being silly Apparently it's Erin Weir, after having been kicked out after the sexual harassment allegations. Blech. e: is Weir the one who claimed that the victims just didn't understand his quirkiness or some poo poo? Or was that Kent Hehr? PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Feb 28, 2019 |
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PittTheElder posted:Wait, the CCF gets a question? Since when is the CCF back in action? It's Erin Weir, who got booted from the NDP for being a creep.
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thehoodie posted:It's Erin Weir, who got booted from the NDP for being a creep. booo
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PittTheElder posted:Apparently it's Erin Weir, after having been kicked out after the sexual harassment allegations. Blech. It was Weir.
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thehoodie posted:No but Singh and the NDP need to run on a platform of full communism now. Ron Howard narrator voice: They didn't
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Alexandre Boulerice was on a podcast today saying that the NDP will be shortly unveiling its ~new approach~ in Québec, and that that'll involve taking starker positions on issues. He also used "socialisme démocratique" to refer to the party's ideology, so that's something.
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Mr. Apollo posted:Any of the parties would have done exactly the same thing which makes this whole thing so dumb. Reminds me of the nothingburger that was the gas plant "scandal."
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It's like a very formal Kudatah
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infernal machines posted:Ron Howard narrator voice: They didn't Hopefully Svend Robinson (and others like Niki Ashton) can pull them to the left a sufficient amount. There is a gaping hole there in Canadian politics and this is certainly the political moment that can bring together more radical politics with electability.
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Just don't gently caress this up for when I come back. Speaking of which, if I haven't voted in 9 years since moving overseas (my bad, I know, but it wouldn't have mattered in my riding anyway), am I able to still vote? IIRC I still get voter registration for every federal election.
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Boomer The Cannon posted:Just don't gently caress this up for when I come back. As of a month ago, yes.
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Mr. Apollo posted:However, if the NDP or Conservatives had been in power instead of the Liberals I absolutely believe they would have pushed for a settlement instead of a full trial and the Liberals would have criticized them if they were in opposition. Whatever party in power would have tried to get SNC to go through the system where the corporation pays money to bypass the trial. The issue the liberals got is how someone in position to prevent that also didn't want that to happen so they had to pressure her but she didn't want to budge. My issue with the whole affair is how a conviction won't solve poo poo in the whole debacle because SNC getting torpedo'd is just that, it getting torpedo'd. Meanwhile, the people who actually held the reign and led it in those bad practices are not really facing anything bad. It's not SNC as a whole who should get torpedo'd IMO but those who were in charge. It look like the govt will shoot SNC for some feelgood point about not letting a corporation get away with it while the people in control pretty much will get away with it.
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supersnowman posted:Whatever party in power would have tried to get SNC to go through the system where the corporation pays money to bypass the trial. The issue the liberals got is how someone in position to prevent that also didn't want that to happen so they had to pressure her but she didn't want to budge. I don’t know what the fix for the bribery issue is. Punishing the companies only works up to a point because in some places it’s the only way to do business so of course they’ll try and find ways around the law in order to win contracts. It might just be easier to say “here’s a list of places where you can’t do business because chances are you’ll have to bribe someone”.
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Pinterest Mom posted:"be the human backdrop as the pm tries to polish a turd" seems like a weird ask Monsef.jpg
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Pinterest Mom posted:"be the human backdrop as the pm tries to polish a turd" seems like a weird ask They all looked mighty uncomfortable
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Mr. Apollo posted:Yeah, exactly. Are you loving serious bro why the gently caress are you apologizing for a shitstain conglomerate bribing overseas governments to make money
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linoleum floors posted:Are you loving serious bro why the gently caress are you apologizing for a shitstain conglomerate bribing overseas governments to make money Gotta spend money to make money and enhanced lobbying isn't that far ethically from regular lobbying.
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I live in BC and I might just vote Green this election. gently caress everyone, gently caress you, gently caress this.
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linoleum floors posted:Are you loving serious bro why the gently caress are you apologizing for a shitstain conglomerate bribing overseas governments to make money  I’m not apologizing for anyone. The reality is that there are places where bribing is an openly acknowledged way of doing business. It’s pretty hypocritical to encourage companies to do business in “risky locations” by offering them them financing and insurance and then act surprised when it becomes public that they had to bribe people to get the work. Of course everyone knew what was going on. It would be better just to say “don’t do business here” rather than put in place rules and regulations that you know will be circumvented or just plain ignored.
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dev286 posted:We should just congratulate PM Scheer on his decisive victory now It's especially hilarious because no one believes the Conservatives would have done things any differently had they been the party in power right now. I mean, other than be more competent at keeping their people in line to keep the dirt hidden.
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