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Zesty posted:
Whoa, dude. Two bad episodes so far, but holy hell.
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Zesty posted:You doing okay, STAC? We’re here for you, buddy. Just a joke because "gently caress Duke."
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Feb 28, 2019 09:57
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The editing this week still feels a bit... slanted? Yellow is near invisible - who are half these people? Purple's a bit better since Chris got a bit more time to shine; I think Lauren, despite finding an idol, is now the least visible member of that tribe. Still no swap next week, so I guess another purple (read: Wendy) is going home.
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Feb 28, 2019 10:32
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That's probably just a product of them winning and having no obvious conflict. Basically what Aubry said early in the episode. Everyone's "kumbaya" so there's not much gaming going on. To the point where Aubry gaming just a little too hard put a target on her back.
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Feb 28, 2019 10:41
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True. It might just be spillover from the first episode where we didn't get to really hear from half the people. I do agree that booting Keith was 100% the right move. The 'Big Kelley Move' isn't going to help you this early on. She's not exactly gonna make allies on the other tribe either since they all want returnees gone. If anything, it'll help give you a common target at the swap/merge to save your skin for a few days while you figure something out.
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Feb 28, 2019 10:48
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For me I think the "shield/big target" argument is maybe a little overblown. Like sometimes that matters but you never really know how that stuff like that is gonna play out with numbers and what people see as the biggest threats. To me the bigger thing is you always have to be conscious about how the rest of the tribe perceives you or the game. I think that's a problem David had in the past and a big part of "Zeking it". You make a big move and take down a big target early you stand out. At this stage of the game you don't have to really care about the tribe but you should at least pretend to. Making everyone aware that you're playing hard to win makes you a threat. Even something like Aubry playing just a little too aggressively makes her standout from everyone else dancing. And a big move tends to start knocking down dominoes of other big moves. If its a big tribe majority move and not something pushed hard by one player maybe it doesn't play out that way. But you're still jump starting the game very early. Its a benefit to play team player and keep the game simple early on. You can be thinking ahead and figuring out how to win but you want to keep everyone else's heads out of that mindset if you can. So take out the guy who the tribe thinks is a weak link, no one has to think too hard about it. Sadly Wardouche seemed to have the right idea about that. He might be smart. That would suck. Although I guess by my philosophy he shouldn't have tried to rock the boat at all by shifting the target from Wendy to Keith.
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Feb 28, 2019 11:21
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ApplesandOranges posted:The editing this week still feels a bit... slanted? Yellow is near invisible - who are half these people? I swear I see this exact same post every season. It's only been two episodes, they're going to focus on the returnees more than the average player AND the number of people in the game hasn't even gone down from 18 yet because of Extinction Island. When (if?) yellow loses they'll spend more time on them, this happens all the time.
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Feb 28, 2019 16:05
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Good lord Kieth has to be one of the worst castings in a long time
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Feb 28, 2019 17:07
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Did they cast Keith hoping he would drown and make for good TV?
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Feb 28, 2019 17:11
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I think Keith could've hung on longer for sure if only he hadn't sucked so bad at challenges, it was a deft if soulless move the way he knifed Reem, but ""Wardog"" made a good point on Kelley being a good person to have next to you in a swap situation. That poor trio of Reem/Keith/Wendy can't catch a break outside of wendy's ankleSLICK GOKU BABY posted:Doesn't actually matter. Idol is hers. blue squares posted:Strong second episode up until the total wet fart of an ending. I complain about this 8 times per season but I just hate the editing misdirection for the sake of creating an "exciting" tribal vote read. David and his nerd friend changing their mind was not even explored so it was just a random "yeah nah Kelly stays Keith is out." Zesty posted:
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Feb 28, 2019 18:45
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Fast Luck posted:
Bill dug up Colton's idol in Survivor: One World and threw it out to sea. It was returned to Colton, as it is considered a personal item once found. https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/2012/10/survivor-one-world-idol-stealing/
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Feb 28, 2019 19:10
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Hmm that’s interesting, i knew that story except I always thought it was taken out of his bag. my statement was from a player’s rules explanation on a podcast although I can’t remember which (either Wendell/Dom or Australian Survivor maybe?)... but I definitely heard it. It would make sense too that if you leave it out in the woods somewhere that someone else could find it. And it’d be another of the pros/cons between keeping it in your possessions where people can find it but not take it vs hiding it in the woods which would be taking it out of your possession. Now I’m unsure what the rule really is though
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Feb 28, 2019 19:26
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I'm curious as to what the rules would really be, since you supposedly can't take other people's personal items, yet Russell burned people's socks and was not punished Other than not winning, let's start Rusell Chat! (Please, don't)
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Feb 28, 2019 19:30
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Just go home Keith 
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Feb 28, 2019 20:36
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Fast Luck posted:How do you get so mad at a woman for using the word females.? No difference between genders using the word in that context. Women, too, can use patriarchal slights to talk down to women.
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Feb 28, 2019 21:08
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Extinction Island sucks for all the players but I’m enjoying it so far as the viewer. I’m sure I’ll change my mind when Joe inevitably gets voted out and then wins his way back in but maybe not??
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Feb 28, 2019 23:23
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Mar 1, 2019 02:28
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Zesty posted:No difference between genders using the word in that context. Women, too, can use patriarchal slights to talk down to women. Female here. I say "female" because the word "woman" has always irked me for some reason. Female sounds better. Tell me more about reinforcing the patriarchy though 
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Mar 1, 2019 03:01
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Survivor cliffhanger? Why you do me like that.
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Mar 1, 2019 04:30
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Keith just spent a reaaaaaaaaally long time overthinking the question and they wanted to properly convey how annoying that was like Christian's Immunity filibuster.
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Mar 1, 2019 04:36
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the immunity filibuster was loving incredible though
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Mar 1, 2019 04:37
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Oh yeah, I only meant "annoying" to Alec. It was amazing TV. I was just joking that the next episode will start with Keith going "Ohgodohjesusohgodohjesus" as the sun comes up or something.
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Mar 1, 2019 04:41
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It's kind of funny though. Kieth's decision likely plays a big factor in Reem's game as well... Like if he went to Extinction Island then she'd be fine, but without it would be what 5-6 days of being on an island by yourself, presumably she probably doesn't even know if more people are going to show up at some point yet.. That type of thing would drive any sane person insane.
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Mar 1, 2019 04:50
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Propaganda Machine posted:
Ok Using adjectives as nouns is often a verbal trick used to minimize and marginalize, replacing a person with a single characteristic Females. Blacks. Gays. Schizophrenics. Whatever the speaker's intent, people hearing this over and over form mental associations and frames that may structurally reinforce the dehumanization of others. If your intent is pure, you'll probably never notice it, but it has a compounding and confirming effect on people who harbor those ideas and on their victims who hear it casually used by others. It's probably a small effect, and it's a judgement call whether you should be "reclaiming" the term or even caring about it's possible harm to others, but that's the one minute answer. Edit: oh poo poo I thought this was the Wendy's drive-through, but it's the Survivor thread The Bloop fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Mar 1, 2019 |
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Mar 1, 2019 04:51
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STAC Goat posted:For me I think the "shield/big target" argument is maybe a little overblown. Like sometimes that matters but you never really know how that stuff like that is gonna play out with numbers and what people see as the biggest threats. Yeah I agree that the "shield" strategy is useless *except* as some insurance against getting swap-screwed. Post-swap pre-merge is the one spot in the game where a one-person buffer makes a huge difference, and in the current era of very frequent swaps I'm definitely sympathetic to the idea of keeping the returnees around for that purpose. I guess even then there's some danger that the "shield" is avoided as a target to outsmart a possible idol, but I think in a season like this if you swap onto a tribe with a legendary returnee and the returnee is in the minority and you have a free shot at them, you take the shot right away (like Malcolm, J.T., and Sandra going out back-to-back after swaps in Game Changers). Also no guarantee you even get swapped onto a tribe with the returnees. Keep in mind this season was filmed right after Ghost Island which had 2 tribe swaps AND a post-merge one-round "swap" where Malolo got screwed every time and picked off, so this is probably very fresh on their minds. If I'm the blue tribe my goals are (roughly in order): (1) staunch the bleeding by cutting bad challenge performers to reduce the odds of swapping onto a minority on both/all tribes, (2) keep returnees around as a buffer, (3) try to keep everyone as united as possible with safe consensus boots so if blue *does* end up on a majority on one post-swap tribe they can keep that majority without someone flipping because they feel like they're on the bottom. mancalamania fucked around with this message at 07:14 on Mar 1, 2019 |
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Mar 1, 2019 07:10
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Propaganda Machine posted:Female here. I say "female" because the word "woman" has always irked me for some reason. Female sounds better. Someone who calls men "men" and women "females" is reinforcing it whether you're personally okay with it or not.  Here's a decent article on the subject and you can find many more with a "Women vs females" google search. I honestly think it's great you seem to be insulated from people who other women in this way as a symptom of their misogyny but it's not the reality for most. Zesty fucked around with this message at 08:30 on Mar 1, 2019 |
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Mar 1, 2019 08:25
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That article was a decent read, but I take issue with prescriptivism, ESPECIALLY with regards to English. What makes English one of the most beautiful languages is its malleability. Your linked article presumes meaning and intention where there isn't necessarily any at all. I think we can both agree that some people would use "female" in this demeaning way. I do not, however, think that a simple biological term is one to be "reclaimed." THAT, is an insult. Everybody gets othered. Even privileged white cis males. Tumblr others the gently caress out of them. I'm not particularly interested in any of this. I just bristle at being called woman, and I further bristle that anybody would take some kind of offense to this.
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Mar 1, 2019 10:27
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Propaganda Machine posted:I think we can both agree that some people would use "female" in this demeaning way. Good. I think it's a good shorthand for finding terrible people. Not flawless though obviously. Wardog doesn't seem the type to break the mold though.
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Mar 1, 2019 11:04
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I don't have a strong enough impression yet. I also don't like making assumptions about his past and inclinations but that's just me. Along with some others in here, I detest the undue attention given to the returning players, additional to the myriad other format problems this season. As far as I know, wardog is the bald guy and probably has a military background. That's it so far.
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Mar 1, 2019 11:48
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Propaganda Machine posted:I don't have a strong enough impression yet. I also don't like making assumptions about his past and inclinations but that's just me. Along with some others in here, I detest the undue attention given to the returning players, additional to the myriad other format problems this season. I just don't know almost any of the new players at all. The only new people that I could say three things about them are: Keith Reem Wendy Keith Gavin (had to look up his name though) And then I guess I know that Lauren has an idol and like kelley, and I can recognize by name wardog. I have no idea about anyone else. Like I know the vibe of the yellow tribe, but I couldn't tell you more than two names of anyone there.
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Mar 1, 2019 12:39
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That’s a common survivor problem but this year is even worse. The extinction island so far is not good because it has only unlikable people/person on it as well.
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Mar 1, 2019 13:07
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Token Female posted:Like I know the vibe of the yellow tribe, but I couldn't tell you more than two names of anyone there. Kelley and David. I do weddings AND Bar Mitzvahs 
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Mar 1, 2019 14:25
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Propaganda Machine posted:I don't have a strong enough impression yet. I also don't like making assumptions about his past and inclinations but that's just me. Along with some others in here, I detest the undue attention given to the returning players, additional to the myriad other format problems this season. Also he asks people to call him wardog
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Mar 1, 2019 15:16
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I dont call women "females" because of the reasons mentioned and also it just sounds weird and clinical to use in normal speech. However I dont really bristle at someone whos a woman herself over her choice to use the word, it's not as if it's a slur. Not worth policing women over imo but that's just me Yeah I feel like I'm being slower than usual to recognize the cast despite following the preseason coverage. Eric, Aurora, Julie, Julia, and Gavin are i guess the people who have yet to make an impression. I know Julie & Julia had a brief moments last episode but the others are a real blank still. But it's early
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Mar 1, 2019 16:31
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I wish every episode was 2 hours long I want more camp detail and more challenges
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Mar 1, 2019 16:40
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I know Australian Survivor does it mostly because they're trying to bleed as many TV hours as they can out of their taping, but the extra time really really works in terms of introducing all the players and sharing their stories. Not sure I agree on needing more challenges though! They're an important part of the game but I feel like we get all we need out of them. Actually I think the bit where Jeff explains how the challenge works is the most skippable part of any episode, it's not like it's hard to follow along with what they're doing out there.
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Mar 1, 2019 16:53
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The Bloop posted:more challenges Ozzy spotted
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Mar 1, 2019 16:58
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Lone Goat posted:Ozzy spotted Lol but the current complex challenges are great, but I miss separate reward challenges
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Mar 1, 2019 17:15
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Bigass Moth posted:That’s a common survivor problem but this year is even worse. It's true like in Cook Islands, I think there's only like 11 people of 20 how you can really say anything about. But this season most of the story lines are about the returning players themselves, or people reacting to the returning players.
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Just once I want someone to say their favorite player was Chris Daugherty or Sandra instead of it always being Parvati or Russell or whoever won the previous season.
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