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What are the actual chances Trudeau resigns? Who would replace him? Christina Freeland? How quickly would she invade Venezuela?
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Feb 28, 2019 08:28
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He's not resigning in an election year.
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Feb 28, 2019 08:54
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thehoodie posted:It's Erin Weir, who got booted from the NDP for being a creep. Wasn't Weir the autistic guy that talked too close to women and made awkward small talk in elevators? I don't think he ever got accused of propositioning interns or grabbing asses or anything. vincentpricesboner fucked around with this message at 10:21 on Feb 28, 2019 |
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zapplez posted:Wasn't Weir the autistic guy that talked to close to women and made awkward small talk in elevators? Hits too close to home.
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Feb 28, 2019 10:12
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It is true that there are countries where bribery is just needed to get by. I recall an episode of Don't Drive Here, I don't remember which city, but some expats there were saying "this is the only city in the world where if you bribe a cop, he'll give you change." However, there's a pretty big difference between needing to bribe a cop so he doesn't confiscate your passport, versus needing to bribe a dictator because if we don't get all the construction contracts and defraud Libya's public institutions we're just leaving money on the table you guys. Responsibility to sharestakers, maxxxxxx capitalism!
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Mordecai posted:It is true that there are countries where bribery is just needed to get by. I recall an episode of Don't Drive Here, I don't remember which city, but some expats there were saying "this is the only city in the world where if you bribe a cop, he'll give you change." it's the difference between being forced to participate in a broken system to survive and willingly enabling that system Awful CompSloth posted:What are the actual chances Trudeau resigns? Who would replace him? Christina Freeland? How quickly would she invade Venezuela? trudeau can still wring some money out of canada so he's sticking around
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Feb 28, 2019 12:05
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How exactly is Trudeau enriching himself by being PM?
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Feb 28, 2019 13:13
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mik posted:How exactly is Trudeau enriching himself by being PM? well he's not letting corporations and china and just about everyone run roughshod over the entire economy for fun
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THC posted:NEVER 👏 ELECT 👏 LIBERALS 👏 https://twitter.com/j_mcelroy/status/1100998562681249792 what an rear end in a top hat,
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mik posted:How exactly is Trudeau enriching himself by being PM? He got to go on that sweet vacation to the Aga Khan's island.
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Feb 28, 2019 14:34
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Furnaceface posted:I dont get why this isnt everyones first reaction. Theyre a company full of monsters profiting by aiding monsters around the globe. My only question is why aren't we going after the decision makers who were in charge of it and had to approve of the bribery instead of the corporation as a whole? Who will actaully get punished if we strike SNC down? My bet is if SNC falls, the people who were in charge will probably get away with golden parachute.
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Feb 28, 2019 15:17
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supersnowman posted:My only question is why aren't we going after the decision makers who were in charge of it and had to approve of the bribery instead of the corporation as a whole? Who will actaully get punished if we strike SNC down? My bet is if SNC falls, the people who were in charge will probably get away with golden parachute. That'd encourage shareholders and boards to hire unscrupulous people, milk as much profit out of their illegal acts as possible, and have the people they hired remain holding the bag. Yo have to punish the corporation as well.
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Feb 28, 2019 15:22
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supersnowman posted:My only question is why aren't we going after the decision makers who were in charge of it and had to approve of the bribery instead of the corporation as a whole? Who will actaully get punished if we strike SNC down? My bet is if SNC falls, the people who were in charge will probably get away with golden parachute. Because "we" don't mind openly slashing regulation and letting corporations do what they will in the name of 'jobs' but if you try to cut deals in secret whoooooo
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Feb 28, 2019 15:25
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DariusLikewise posted:Where's the guy that said it was politically expedient to protect SNC-Lavalin and that the Liberals were just being savvy Maybe you mean me? I said that nothing alleged involves illegality. As for political expediency, we'll see. It's easy to see why Trudeau wanted to see a deferred prosecution used. The bribery was ages ago and everyone involved is long gone from SNC-Lavalin. Raybold-Wilson has decided to try to make this blow up in Trudeau's face. While press and opposition are going crazy, that itself doesn't mean much. The mechanics of why what was done is wrong might be too obscure to penetrate the public consciousness. And francophone media are on Trudeau's side. I mean, what would the campaign commercials look like? "Justin Trudeau used his position to try to keep a Canadian company that employs 60,000 people from going under. We won't do that. Vote Conservative." Tochiazuma posted:Because "we" don't mind openly slashing regulation and letting corporations do what they will in the name of 'jobs' but if you try to cut deals in secret whoooooo What secret deal?
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Feb 28, 2019 16:18
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He lied
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Feb 28, 2019 16:22
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Maneck posted:Maybe you mean me? The Liberals rammed through the DPA in the 2018 budget bill and didn't make it public they were making the agreement. They've already lost the battle of messaging that this was "good for people and jobs". Also attack ads rarely mention other parties. It would sound something like this. *Scary orchestra music starts playing* "Justin Trudeau and his Liberal friends are cutting backroom deals and lying to the public. He was EXPOSED by his own party members" *10 seconds of the most damning JWR quotes* "Can we really trust Justin Trudeau and the Liberals!!!?!??!?!"
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Feb 28, 2019 16:27
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It’s true: voters will never buy “these people can’t tell right from wrong and don’t respect the rule of law - all that matters is how well connected you are” about Liberals of all people.
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Feb 28, 2019 16:28
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Also SNC-Lavalin was bribing a foreign dictatorship so they would get the contracts to build torture prisons in the desert. They should all go to jail, I don't give a poo poo about Are Jawbs.
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Feb 28, 2019 16:31
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This story perfectly illustrates how there are entirely different sets of rules for the rich and powerful than there are for normal people. While in this particular case SNC-Lavellin was lobbying over around an issue relating to bribing foreign officials you had better believe that the same kind of behind-the-scenes corporate pressure is responsible for making sure all kinds of corrupt domestic companies never face consequences for their actions. It's also the reason we'll never see another expansion of the safety net comparable to healthcare. In a very real sense the influence wielded by entities like SNC-Lavellin directly leads to all of our lives being much worse off. The influence they wield directly reduces the influence that everyone else can hope to wield.
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DariusLikewise posted:The Liberals rammed through the DPA in the 2018 budget bill and didn't make it public they were making the agreement. They've already lost the battle of messaging that this was "good for people and jobs". Accusing your opponents of being politicians is a good tactic.
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Feb 28, 2019 16:43
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I'm surprised Trudeau would've been stupid enough to waive privilege if he knew what Wilson-Raybould was going to say.
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Feb 28, 2019 16:47
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MakaVillian posted:I'm surprised Trudeau would've been stupid enough to waive privilege if he knew what Wilson-Raybould was going to say. There's a good case that was the smartest move he's made in the whole affair. Raybould-Wilson made a big deal about how she had taken advice from a former Supreme Court Judge about what was covered by privilege, and the media was already going with the narrative that there was a cover up going on. The trouble with a cover up is that it tends to lend legitimacy to whatever comes out, when if finally comes out. And the claim for privilege here was weak, so everything was coming out sooner or later. With an election on the way, sooner is much better than later. Trudeau and the Liberals took the position they have nothing to hide. This way they can just say Raybould-Wilson is wrong about the facts. Which just happens to be Trudeau said this morning.
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Feb 28, 2019 17:00
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The Liberals position is we did a bad thing but what are you going to do? Vote for the party of Stephen Harper!?
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I think the Liberals' position is "What we did wasn't bad and it definitely wasn't illegal"
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Maneck posted:There's a good case that was the smartest move he's made in the whole affair. Raybould-Wilson made a big deal about how she had taken advice from a former Supreme Court Judge about what was covered by privilege, and the media was already going with the narrative that there was a cover up going on. The trouble with a cover up is that it tends to lend legitimacy to whatever comes out, when if finally comes out. And the claim for privilege here was weak, so everything was coming out sooner or later. With an election on the way, sooner is much better than later. Fair enough, it's an interesting choice though. Either, as you say, the Liberals thought that they couldn't keep this quiet long enough for them to trigger the election so let it come out now and hope the news cycle changes or Trudeau didn't think that Raybould-Wilson would come out and say what she did because one or both are outright lying/misunderstood the context of their meeting on Sept. 17. MakaVillian fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Feb 28, 2019 |
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Looking at the 2015 election map, I'm trying to figure out where this'll hurt them the most. I mean, let's assume it won't in Quebec, and might actually help them a bit (especially in Montreal). The prairies were a write off still anyway, so it seems down to how badly it'll hurt them in Ontario and the Atlantic. Hey, maybe instead of a Con doom government it'll just lead to the Libs being downgraded to minority and having to work with the NDP to prop them up? I can hope right? 
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You mean having to work with the Conservatives, because they will never under any circumstances cooperate with the NDP
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infernal machines posted:You mean having to work with the Conservatives, because they will never under any circumstances cooperate with the NDP They did under Martin  And yeah I know they also propped up Harper in a minority, but for all this thread's cynicism if they have a choice of the two I'd put money on them working with the NDP if only for Prime Minister Sunny Ways keeping up appearances and the fact they'd view them as less of a threat. Plus Singh's whole moving the party towards the middle.
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linoleum floors posted:Yeah or we could just expect corporations to obey the law and prosecute them when they break it. They can't even manage to prosecute the individuals that have been doing the bribing without having their case thrown out on grounds of the Jordan ruling. I'm sure they'll do a stellar job with a large corporation.  Arcsquad12 posted:Outside of the Star are any Canadian media outlets really left leaning? In the franco world, La Presse is generally left leaning, though they sometimes run more conservative op-eds because ~~gotta hear both sides~~. e: supersnowman posted:My only question is why aren't we going after the decision makers who were in charge of it and had to approve of the bribery instead of the corporation as a whole? Because we're too incompetent to prosecute them. Jan fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Feb 28, 2019 |
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It won’t matter since with the NDP cratering and a resurgent BQ the NDP wont hold enough seats to put a Liberal minority over the top. Everything old is new again. Thanks LPC.
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Pinterest Mom posted:That'd encourage shareholders and boards to hire unscrupulous people, milk as much profit out of their illegal acts as possible, and have the people they hired remain holding the bag. Yo have to punish the corporation as well. Hold Shareholders accountable
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Feb 28, 2019 17:57
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:They did under Martin Singh would remember he's the NDP leader just long enough to demand electoral reform as a condition for supporting a minority Liberal government, and Trudeau would go to whoever replaced Scheer instead. Comedy option, Trudeau propped up by like 3 PPC MPs, with a confidence and supply arrangement predicated on dismantling supply management.
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Feb 28, 2019 18:04
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The Liberal's cyclical routine between disappointment and blatant corruption is right on schedule, I see. gently caress.
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IDK, I think they're speedrunning this one. Usually they manage at least two elections before getting caught.
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If they had some really popular accomplishments to fall back on this wouldn't be nearly so bad for them. But they broke their promise on election reform, I don't think they've won very much praise from the way they've rolled out marijuana legalization, their NAFTA negotiations were underwhelming at best and they've managed to piss off both sides of the pipeline debate.
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https://www.thebeaverton.com/2019/02/liberals-suddenly-decide-proportional-representation-might-be-a-good-idea-after-all/
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Helsing posted:If they had some really popular accomplishments to fall back on this wouldn't be nearly so bad for them. But they broke their promise on election reform, I don't think they've won very much praise from the way they've rolled out marijuana legalization, their NAFTA negotiations were underwhelming at best and they've managed to piss off both sides of the pipeline debate. I feel like this is the reason why StatsCan suddenly declared child poverty is at it's lowest ever and Trudeau told everyone today that Canada is going to the moon
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Lmao they'll probably be like "if you vote us in again we double dog pinky swear to put in PR"
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:Lmao they'll probably be like "if you vote us in again we double dog pinky swear to put in PR" Since they probably want to win the election, they won't associate themselves with proportional representation again.
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