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DariusLikewise posted:I feel like this is the reason why StatsCan suddenly declared child poverty is at it's lowest ever and Trudeau told everyone today that Canada is going to the moon I don't think statscan issuing its annual release of the Canadian income survey is part of a conspiracy.
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# ? Feb 28, 2019 19:47 |
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Nobody is going to touch PR for years now because of the stain on the Libs broken promise. PR will only make a comeback on the federal level when a party lays out exactly how they will implement the changeover as part of their election promises. The Liberals won't do it, the cons will laugh at the idea, and the NDP are too scattershot and vague to come up with any concrete plan to implement PR even if they wanted to.
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# ? Feb 28, 2019 19:51 |
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I think the ndp would still push for PR but they'll never sniff governance so the point is moot.
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# ? Feb 28, 2019 19:53 |
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I love how BC keeps voting worse and worse every PR referendum. We do not deserve nice things.
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# ? Feb 28, 2019 20:00 |
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Arcsquad12 posted:Nobody is going to touch PR for years now because of the stain on the Libs broken promise. Also relevant: it's unpopular and keeps getting rejected by the voting public.
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# ? Feb 28, 2019 20:00 |
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:Lmao they'll probably be like "if you vote us in again we double dog pinky swear to put in PR" PittTheElder posted:https://www.thebeaverton.com/2019/02/liberals-suddenly-decide-proportional-representation-might-be-a-good-idea-after-all/ I was responding to this, in which they reportedly are talking about PR again E: whoops! I’m a dumbass and that site is satire!
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# ? Feb 28, 2019 20:04 |
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:I was responding to this, in which they reportedly are talking about PR again That's a satire website.
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# ? Feb 28, 2019 20:05 |
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Baronjutter posted:I love how BC keeps voting worse and worse every PR referendum. We do not deserve nice things.
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# ? Feb 28, 2019 20:08 |
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PR keeps being unpopular because it's sold in a very lovely way. The concept of having fringe beliefs represented in parliament is an inherently unpleasant one to most people, so trying to sell PR on that basis is doomed to failure. The explanation that finally changed my mind is "these wackos, by and large, already exist within the major parties; PR would force the deal-making to be done openly and with reasonable transparency instead of internal to the parties.
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# ? Feb 28, 2019 20:08 |
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To be fair they do a magnificent job of staying close enough to believable that someone could fall for their articles.The Beaverton on Singh's election posted:“We were out there everyday working hard to sabotage his campaign,” said one disappointed NDP insider who worked on Singh’s campaign. “We had [former NDP Leader] Thomas Mulcair accuse him of international war crimes on national television, handed out Jehovah Witness material instead of campaign flyers, and spread a rumour that he wants to build nuclear weapons to blast baby whales out of the Strait of Georgia and force vegans to eat their radio-active carcasses.’”
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# ? Feb 28, 2019 20:09 |
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PT6A posted:PR keeps being unpopular because it's sold in a very lovely way. The concept of having fringe beliefs represented in parliament is an inherently unpleasant one to most people, so trying to sell PR on that basis is doomed to failure. The explanation that finally changed my mind is "these wackos, by and large, already exist within the major parties; PR would force the deal-making to be done openly and with reasonable transparency instead of internal to the parties. Nobody tries to sell PR on the basis of representing fringe parties, they sell it by pointing out the absurd results we keep getting election after election in FPTP, like the 2017 BC election where the Greens took 17% of the vote but 3% of the seats. The "but fringe wackos will be represented in Parliament!" line is what PR's opponents use to demonize it. And, as you say, it's actually a terrible attack if you think about it for more than two seconds and realize just how many examples we have of the fringe wackos taking over a big tent party and the rest of the big tent holding their nose and electing a lunatic to be the leader of a country or province.
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# ? Feb 28, 2019 20:11 |
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Helsing posted:If they had some really popular accomplishments to fall back on this wouldn't be nearly so bad for them. But they broke their promise on election reform, I don't think they've won very much praise from the way they've rolled out marijuana legalization, their NAFTA negotiations were underwhelming at best and they've managed to piss off both sides of the pipeline debate. I agree with all of this but the NAFTA negotiations could’ve gone far worse, and if those steel and aluminum tariffs get lifted it would definitely shore up a lot of support in SW Ontario. I’m sure the Liberals will find more new and exciting ways to commit unforced errors before October though.
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# ? Feb 28, 2019 20:13 |
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Pinterest Mom posted:I don't think statscan issuing its annual release of the Canadian income survey is part of a conspiracy. StatsCan specifically wrote an analysis that said the CCB is lifting children out of poverty, that was released on Feb 26th and hit the news cycle the same day. Edit: I'm not saying it's a broad conspiracy, but now would be the time for the Liberals to start pounding their chests about any accomplishments they have because if they don't the only thing that's going to be on peoples mind is that they did a bad and sneaky thing DariusLikewise fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Feb 28, 2019 |
# ? Feb 28, 2019 20:15 |
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PT6A posted:PR keeps being unpopular because it's sold in a very lovely way. The concept of having fringe beliefs represented in parliament is an inherently unpleasant one to most people, so trying to sell PR on that basis is doomed to failure. The explanation that finally changed my mind is "these wackos, by and large, already exist within the major parties; PR would force the deal-making to be done openly and with reasonable transparency instead of internal to the parties. It's also far preferable to, god forbid, the wackos to be actively catered to as the US is going through right now.
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Legit Businessman fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Sep 9, 2022 |
# ? Feb 28, 2019 20:18 |
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the loving state of liberals in 2019. smdh
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# ? Feb 28, 2019 20:20 |
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For example, if I were trying to sell people on a pure PR system using the results of the 2015 federal election, I might do it like this: Liberals: 6,943,276 votes, 184 seats Cons: 5,613,614 votes, 99 seats NDP: 3,470,350 votes, 44 seats Bloc: 821,144 votes, 10 seats Greens: 602,944 votes, 1 seat Liberals: 1 seat per 37,375 votes Cons: 1 seat per 56,703 votes NDP: 1 seat per 78,872 votes Bloc: 1 seat per 82,114 votes Greens: 1 seat per 602,944 votes Anyone who looks at those numbers and thinks that's in any way a remotely fair electoral system that treats every vote equally is delusional. Also most of the country hates the Liberal Party these days so pointing out just how over-represented they were in the last election might help anyway.
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# ? Feb 28, 2019 20:28 |
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Or, in other words, if you voted conservative your vote was worth about 2/3 of a Liberal vote. If you voted NDP, your vote was worth about half a Liberal vote. If you voted for the Bloc, your vote was worth less than half a Liberal vote. And if you were unfortunate enough to vote for the Greens, your vote was worth about 6% of a Liberal vote. So on a national scale, if you and 16 of your friends all joined forces and voted for the Greens, you got cancelled out by one person voting Liberal.
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# ? Feb 28, 2019 20:35 |
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Maneck posted:Also relevant: it's unpopular and keeps getting rejected by the voting public. It’s unpopular when put to a referendum but referendums always sway status quo because they are low turn-out and so voters are predominantly fearful old people. Also PR is too complex for the average low info voters. We elect representatives whose role is to figure these complex things out in detail for us; dumping a complicated series of choices on a complicated matter to the public in a referendum is retarded. A person will always reflexively vote status quo when overwhelmed. Also NDP wont push PR because they are a temporarily embarrassed majority party. Just like the Liberals, they don’t want a system that might dilute their power if they win; so they are willing to cut off their nose to spite their face. cowofwar fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Feb 28, 2019 |
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https://twitter.com/ty_olsen/status/1101174635171737600
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# ? Feb 28, 2019 21:09 |
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Just wanted to post my hot take about SNC. They tried to hire me several years ago and I didn't go because ethically they are a mess. I'm a consultant but I'm only partially a monster. As for the posters above saying "everyone asks for bribes", yes that is true in certain countries, but it is still illegal. I've said no and lost work dozens of times. Also for those that were talking about the charge code for bribes it was "PCC" for project consultancy costs. I ironically use it as a charge code in my projects because I find it funny and most people don't know what it is. As for it SNC "only being corrupt at the top" this is entirely not true and the industry knows it. While a specific individual working for SNC might not be the one accepting bribes, the whole industry knows SNC does it and it has a culture of it. So while a few people at the top got caught, I don't buy for a minute far more didn't know. Financial controls are too tight for that. SNC needs to be banned for 10 years not to punish SNC, but to be an abject lesson to all the corporations that will do anything to get more profit. We need to show that there is significant financial downside to offering bribes. If they get a DPA they will still have made money off this entire fiasco, and the lesson being taught to everyone is "if you are big enough it doesn't matter".
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# ? Feb 28, 2019 21:13 |
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https://twitter.com/j_mcelroy/status/1101200798837424128 https://twitter.com/Wilkinson4BC/status/1101200534189404160 lmao
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# ? Feb 28, 2019 21:14 |
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Racist, sexists? Why not both!
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# ? Feb 28, 2019 21:18 |
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Summing up what many have already posted. A bit melodramatic. https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/the-moral-catastrophe-of-justin-trudeau/ quote:The moral catastrophe of Justin Trudeau
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# ? Feb 28, 2019 21:21 |
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"...anyway vote Conservative"
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# ? Feb 28, 2019 21:24 |
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I think the Liberal's best chance is now Scheer being caught with a dead hooker.
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# ? Feb 28, 2019 21:30 |
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How’s Tabitha Southey on the bad takes scale? I can’t remember if she was bad or okay Maclean’s essay.
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# ? Feb 28, 2019 22:20 |
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Wistful of Dollars posted:I think the NDP's best chance is now Scheer being caught power-bottoming for Trudeau Fixed
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# ? Feb 28, 2019 22:51 |
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Laminar posted:Just wanted to post my hot take about SNC. They tried to hire me several years ago and I didn't go because ethically they are a mess. I'm a consultant but I'm only partially a monster. Yeah like I said, they got caught bribing in Montreal. It’s not restricted to third world countries where you have to bribe people to be competitive (insert joke about Quebec). It’s their business model.
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Legit Businessman fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Sep 9, 2022 |
# ? Feb 28, 2019 22:59 |
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John Horgan has officially lost my vote https://twitter.com/jjhorgan/status/1098696246540218368 i will never support anyone who refuses to acknowledge the supremacy of Lt-Commander Reginald Endicott Barclay III
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# ? Feb 28, 2019 23:06 |
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Blood Boils posted:John Horgan has officially lost my vote It's good op
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# ? Mar 1, 2019 00:14 |
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Who's the goon who specifically argued with with about his love of Voyager?
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# ? Mar 1, 2019 00:40 |
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How do you even debate with someone who is willing to admit to your face that they would rather see their kids live shorter more miserable lives if it means saving a few bucks on taxes? Like I cant tell whether Im tired or angry or frustrated but my brain just cant make that leap. Its impossible. Boomers are a plague.
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# ? Mar 1, 2019 00:41 |
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So what’s to come of SNC-Lavalin? Now that their crimes and the governments attempt to sweep them under the rug are front page news, they’re pretty much gonna have to get slapped with the 10-year disbarment right? Wouldn’t it be political suicide not too, after this debacle?
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# ? Mar 1, 2019 01:41 |
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Furnaceface posted:How do you even debate with someone who is willing to admit to your face that they would rather see their kids live shorter more miserable lives if it means saving a few bucks on taxes? Like I cant tell whether Im tired or angry or frustrated but my brain just cant make that leap. Its impossible. I mean liking Janeway is bad but....
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# ? Mar 1, 2019 02:01 |
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Wilhelm posted:Fixed Wtf is this?
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# ? Mar 1, 2019 02:17 |
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apatheticman posted:I mean liking Janeway is bad but.... Sorry I work with some really awful people who exist to be nothing more than spite and racism golems and today I ended up having not one or two but three of them all smugly walk up to me today and announce their love of Ford's leaked attempts to privatize everything and the incoming Scheer majority.
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# ? Mar 1, 2019 02:18 |
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Blood Boils posted:John Horgan has officially lost my vote Not that it exonerates him, but I think he mentioned this a long time ago before the election happened.
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# ? Mar 1, 2019 02:28 |
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Um excuse me it's a three way tie between my main man James tiberius Kirk, Hikaru sulu and The Sisko. And my phone autocorrected sulu to silicone. Oh my.
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