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After the first d-20 shot when Gav says "did you hear that?" I thought it sounded like a tumbling round. I thought that the lower trajectory caused a ricochet, but the truth is far more awesome.
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Godholio posted:Old F-16 -> QF-16 is the current drone program. Yeah. And given that one was shot down in Serbia, I'd wager that F-117-style stealth technology is the most likely type to appear first in a hostile aircraft. It probably makes a good aggressor/simulator for hypothetical foreign stealth fighters.
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Feb 28, 2019 07:25
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[video type="youtube"]/watch?&v=Vgx_2qvLqg4[/video]
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simplefish posted:2 Lift 2 Luxurious: Dirigible Drift? 
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Feb 28, 2019 11:54
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Feb 28, 2019 12:18
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babyeatingpsychopath posted:After the first d-20 shot when Gav says "did you hear that?" I thought it sounded like a tumbling round. I thought that the lower trajectory caused a ricochet, but the truth is far more awesome. Now the enemy knows that it can protect its fortifications by surrounding them with watermelons a dozen deep (single use armor).
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Feb 28, 2019 13:10
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simplefish posted:If it's not a flight, what is it then? Luxurious and floats? It's a cruise.
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Feb 28, 2019 14:15
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babyeatingpsychopath posted:Luxurious and floats? It's a cruise. THANK YOU
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Feb 28, 2019 14:16
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It's only a cruise if it comes with norovirus
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Feb 28, 2019 14:53
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Finger Prince posted:Now the enemy knows that it can protect its fortifications by surrounding them with watermelons a dozen deep (single use armor). it's been tried (well, minus the melon part; it's 91% water after all): Wikipedia posted:It was not until 1922, in the wake of the Washington Naval Treaty that curtailed ship weights and with the introduction of the British Nelson-class battleships, that a true layered torpedo belt was introduced. The two Nelsons used a water-filled belt, which was written off in the tonnage limits, as water was not part of the calculations for allowed displacement. Over the next 20 years many innovative designs of TDS were tried by various nations. it just isn't effective with the advancement of AP rounds and delayed fuses: quote:A warship can be seriously damaged underwater not only by torpedoes, but also by heavy naval artillery shells that plunge into the ocean very close to the targeted ship. Such shells which are usually armor-piercing shells (AP shells) can pass through a short stretch of water and strike the warship some distance below the waterline. In 1914 typical AP shells were expected to punch a hole in the exterior plate and detonate there with a destructive effect similar to a torpedo. However by the 1940s, advances in AP shell technology incorporated delayed fuses which give AP shells deep penetration capability before exploding; such AP shells will typically make a smaller hole than a torpedo in breaching a ship's hull, but detonating beyond the belt in the hull can cause splinter damage to machinery spaces and secondary magazines, which in turn compromises watertight integrity and encourages progressive flooding. To improve protection against both shells and torpedoes, an air space can be added between the torpedo belt and the hull to increase the buoyancy of the warship.
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Feb 28, 2019 15:12
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babyeatingpsychopath posted:Luxurious and floats? It's a cruise. Fie! I bite my thumb at you, sir! R100 flew to Canada quote:in 78 hours, having covered the great circle route of 3,300 mi (5,300 km) at an average ground speed of 42 mph (68 km/h). Graf Zeppelin's first transatlantic trip was 1928: quote:Graf Zeppelin made its first intercontinental trip, a 9,926 km (6,168 mi), 111-hour crossing from Friedrichshafen to Lakehurst If we're gonna count it as a cruise, I feel like "returning to where you started" is imporant: quote:The airship [Graf Zeppelin] flew over Palestine, Egypt and Athens before returning to Friedrichshafen after completing a journey of 5,000 miles (8,000 km) in 81 hours. Graf Zeppelin circumnavigation of the earth: quote:Flying time for the four Lakehurst to Lakehurst legs was 12 days, 12 hours, and 13 minutes while the entire circumnavigation (including stops) took 21 days, 5 hours, and 31 minutes and covered 33,234 km (20,651 mi; 17,945 nmi)
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The problem with those diving shells is that those hits are extremely rare even with the Japanese specifically designing their shells and their aiming and training for it. I think in the Pacific there was less than 5 confirmed instances where this actually happened, much less worked. I think the general conclusion was that designing a shell for this to the detriment of its regular AP capabilities was not worth it.
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Feb 28, 2019 18:20
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Nebakenezzer posted:Fie! I bite my thumb at you, sir! Regularly scheduled service was the thing they added there. I don't think the british airships ever had regular service? The zeppelins did though, yes? Weekly service during the summer or some such?
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Feb 28, 2019 18:30
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hobbesmaster posted:Regularly scheduled service was the thing they added there. I don't think the british airships ever had regular service? The zeppelins did though, yes? Weekly service during the summer or some such? Fair point, the R100 had one trans-atlantic flight, I think regularly scheduled passenger service was a thing only on the Hindenburg for one season? (I think other airships had regularly scheduled service but they were flying short routes.) Just reading the Graf Zeppelin's wiki, it sounded like all its regularly scheduled flights were air freight.
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Feb 28, 2019 18:45
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What did the big airships have for passenger accommodations? Proper cabins? Rows of bunks? I assume it varied and was a class structure?
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slidebite posted:What did the big airships have for passenger accommodations? Proper cabins? Rows of bunks? I assume it varied and was a class structure? Due to the cost of the tickets it would've all been "first class" but it looks more like what you'd expect on a sleeper train than an ocean liner. https://www.airships.net/hindenburg/interiors/
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Feb 28, 2019 21:12
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Proper cabins, lounges, a dining room, a promenade. IIRC the interior walls were all made of very lightweight material though.
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Feb 28, 2019 21:13
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slidebite posted:What did the big airships have for passenger accommodations? Proper cabins? Rows of bunks? I assume it varied and was a class structure? "Proper" cabins for passengers, but these were bunks and a chair on the R100/R101. R100 had the walls made of fabric, and I think you got a curtain for privacy A little room for your bag/steamer trunk. No need for a class structure as all tickets were *crazy* expensive. Hindenberg had a 2:1 ratio for crew to passengers.
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Feb 28, 2019 21:18
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Nebakenezzer posted:"Proper" cabins for passengers, but these were bunks and a chair on the R100/R101. R100 had the walls made of fabric, and I think you got a curtain for privacy A little room for your bag/steamer trunk. No need for a class structure as all tickets were *crazy* expensive. Hindenberg had a 2:1 ratio for crew to passengers. Photos/accomodation plans of the R100/R101 are here if you want to see them: http://www.airshipsonline.com/airships/interior/R100Interior.htm They did a really clever job of making the public spaces look like the saloon from an ocean liner, but with the bare minimum of weight. All the 'wood' was fabric or duralumin printed/painted to look like wood, or was the thinnest sheet of ply with wire stitching/bracing.
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Nebakenezzer posted:No need for a class structure as all tickets were *crazy* expensive. And heaven help you if you managed to sneak aboard without one. 
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Mar 1, 2019 00:30
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Did we already discuss that buddy-drone Boeing unveiled in 'straya?
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Switzerland posted:Did we already discuss that buddy-drone Boeing unveiled in 'straya? If we did, I missed it  E: whoops misread that as Syria, thought ol' Boeing was getting some field testing in
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LOYAL WINGMAN
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hobbesmaster posted:Due to the cost of the tickets it would've all been "first class" but it looks more like what you'd expect on a sleeper train than an ocean liner. https://www.airships.net/hindenburg/interiors/
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I got curious as to how long a transatlantic Zeppelin crossing would take - evidently 111 hours and change on the Graf Zeppelin, it seems. Compared to ~5-7 days leaving from Southampton.
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An Indian Mig 21 shot down a Pakistani F-16. "Pakistan had previously denied using any of its F-16 aircraft in the attack, but the IAF displayed the twisted remnants of a US-made AMRAAM missile it says “conclusively shows” an F-16 was used." Switzerland posted:Did we already discuss that buddy-drone Boeing unveiled in 'straya? I posted the announcement the other page.
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And coincidentally our Defence Minister 'retired' today.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:I got curious as to how long a transatlantic Zeppelin crossing would take - evidently 111 hours and change on the Graf Zeppelin, it seems. Compared to ~5-7 days leaving from Southampton. I can’t imagine spending a week in the air moving that slowly. What was their cruising altitude?
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slidebite posted:Thanks for the links folks. Any idea what the tickets cost? $400 in 1936 dollars, so about $7,000 today - which will get you a last-minute business class ticket in a lie-flat from NY to Germany with some money to spare.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:$400 in 1936 dollars, so about $7,000 today - which will get you a last-minute business class ticket in a lie-flat from NY to Germany with some money to spare. But that's just one night. On a Zeppelin you'd get 4 nights, dinner with silverware and a live pianist and after imbibing some Champagne, the opportunity to piss out into the free airstream. I'd love that.
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Ola posted:But that's just one night. On a Zeppelin you'd get 4 nights, dinner with silverware and a live pianist and after imbibing some Champagne, the opportunity to piss out into the free airstream. I'd love that. Having been on more than one cruise ship around the Caribbean, more than one transoceanic flight up front, I’d rather spend the extra three nights on land, sleeping in a bed, and having fun at my own pace.
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Ola posted:But that's just one night. On a Zeppelin you'd get 4 nights, dinner with silverware and a live pianist and after imbibing some Champagne, the opportunity to piss out into the free airstream. I'd love that. you can get all of that poo poo, but better, at a good hotel on the ground. keep in mind that the zeps did not have a real working shower so hope u like being in close quarters with a bunch of chain smokers who haven't showered in 3 days edit: if it's tall enough you can piss in to the free airstream too!
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I'm afraid you're both right. It probably wasn't as glamorous as I'd like to think. Crossing the Atlantic in the weather is pretty uncomfortable too. Hotel windows have that suicide prevention clasp, but it should be possible to sneak it past and get a good stream going.
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Mar 1, 2019 15:26
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I'm fine with the window in the 787 lav that let's you just pretend you're pissing across the earth from 40k feet. I don't need to actually freeze my dick off and worry about splashback.
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Cocoa Crispies posted:Having been on more than one cruise ship around the Caribbean, more than one transoceanic flight up front, I’d rather spend the extra three nights on land, sleeping in a bed, and having fun at my own pace. Well good news, if you're looking at an airship for this they were the fastest option! (Because it's the late 20s/ early 1930s) Ocean liners were standard until WW2, so that's 6-7 days crossing the Atlantic. Maybe somebody out there knows the time it took to go further; the North Atlantic trade, then and now, was exceptionally competitive and well serviced. A flight to India via airplane took 12 days, and by ship it took six weeks. Australia and Japan took even longer. e: 'Copy img location', then open a new window for huge  
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Mar 1, 2019 15:56
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I want to poop out of a hole a few thousand feet above the ocean. 
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Mar 1, 2019 15:57
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I've pissed on the Las Vegas strip using the relief tube in a Hawkeye. It was the highlight of the night.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:I've pissed on the Las Vegas strip using the relief tube in a Hawkeye. It was the highlight of the night. I’ve pissed on the Las Vegas strip.
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Nebakenezzer posted:Well good news, if you're looking at an airship for this they were the fastest option! (Because it's the late 20s/ early 1930s) right yes we are comparing to current day travel on purpose, because that is the question that was asked
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:right yes we are comparing to current day travel on purpose, because that is the question that was asked Okay but that IMO is less interesting because I agree with Cocoa Crispies in the modern day Like, I can imagine an airship cruise being unique and awesome, but competing against oceanic jetliners, no Graf Zeppelin had windows passengers could open ffs so I'm sure at least one sneaky piss was taken and they could do things like stop their engines, so that passengers could hear dogs barking a few thousand feet below. That sort of thing I can imagine in the same sorta cruise markets, assuming somebody else develops the appropriate types first. I dunno, maybe airships could fly unpressurized short-haul shuttle flights between cities?
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