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They can just as easily lower the points back down some and find a happy middle ground later if need be.
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banned from Starbucks posted:Literally every top list at any given time is called oppressive and unfun by someone And yet they only nerfed the one list that was oppressive and actually unfun to play against! They touched none of the lists that actually made the top cut.
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Gumdrop Larry posted:They can just as easily lower the points back down some and find a happy middle ground later if need be. Sure but the way to do that is so bump it to a point where people have to sacrifice the other extra upgrades, like collision detector or whatever and see if people are still willing to play it/how well it does with those concessions, not to price it to where you literally cant even play it at all. If you cant play it theres no data to collect and any readjustment would just be randomly picking numbers.
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banned from Starbucks posted:Sure but the way to do that is so bump it to a point where people have to sacrifice the other extra upgrades, like collision detector or whatever and see if people are still willing to play it/how well it does with those concessions, not to price it to where you literally cant even play it at all. If you cant play it theres no data to collect and any readjustment would just be randomly picking numbers. You might be shocked, but they have an extensive playtest team of actual players. Slab Squatthrust fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Mar 1, 2019 |
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banned from Starbucks posted:Sure but the way to do that is so bump it to a point where people have to sacrifice the other extra upgrades, like collision detector or whatever and see if people are still willing to play it/how well it does with those concessions, not to price it to where you literally cant even play it at all. If you cant play it theres no data to collect and any readjustment would just be randomly picking numbers. sorry you can't play your delete a ship turn one list at your next tournament, R I P
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I like the thought behind it but adjusting the points cost is just a brute force ban in disguise because of their aversion to errata. Making Hyperspace Tracking Data unique would have solved it instantly. Edit: and for people to errata their own cards, they can literally just grab a sharpie and draw a dot. Worst of all, this emergency point updates sets a terrible precedent that will have idiots baying for blood outside the scheduled points changes every time the new hotness becomes the flavour of the month. hoiyes fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Mar 1, 2019 |
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Mar 1, 2019 00:34
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hoiyes posted:Worst of all, this emergency point updates sets a terrible precedent that will have idiots baying for blood outside the scheduled points changes every time the new hotness becomes the flavour of the month. I don't agree. Scheduled points update was supposed to be "January" and was released at the last possible time. In 1e there was no cadence for FAQ updates/errata and they eventually dropped the hammer on dual Phantoms
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The Gate posted:You might be shocked, but they have an extensive playtest team of actual players. Wow really?! Having been one I am indeed shocked. I can also tell you how bad some of them were. Devlan Mud posted:sorry you can't play your delete a ship turn one list at your next tournament, R I P I've literally never even played triple ups but ok. Have fun with ultimate skill list 5 double tap Y-wings. Fun and exciting! Christ why did I expect anything above reddit lvls of conversation from goons.
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banned from Starbucks posted:Wow really?! Having been one I am indeed shocked. I can also tell you how bad some of them were. If you know about the playtesting then you should realize they will have them test better costs and adjust them back down if they can. If they can't, they deserve the ban, simple as that. Just because no one agrees with you that they should have let a degenerate list remain doesn't make this conversation Reddit levels. I'd argue your bitch fit with no real reasoning as to why they shouldn't ban things that are clearly broken in terms of gameplay experience is a lot more like Reddit than anyone else's comments.
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I gave a reasoning. Just because you dont accept it it's a bitchfit? when your first reply was some lame rear end "hm yes I too" poo poo. You keep saying the play testers can just magically fix it without having a clue of how the process works.
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banned from Starbucks posted:I gave a reasoning. Just because you dont accept it it's a bitchfit? when your first reply was some lame rear end "hm yes I too" poo poo. You keep saying the play testers can just magically fix it without having a clue of how the process works. I mean they can't magically fix it, but they can find out if there's a point cost that works. Which is the actual solution instead of errata-ing them immediately. And yeah, my first response was snarky because your first post was some pointless screeching about how they did exactly what they said they would do if they ran into problem stuff: errata the cost and then fine adjust from there. It was literally why they swapped to this system. You can dislike it, but it's working as intended.
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hoiyes posted:Worst of all, this emergency point updates sets a terrible precedent that will have idiots baying for blood outside the scheduled points changes every time the new hotness becomes the flavour of the month. Literally nothing FFG does would ever stop these knob jobs from bitching and moaning. Juts let them cry; everyone else can just play the game.
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banned from Starbucks posted:Wow really?! Having been one I am indeed shocked. I can also tell you how bad some of them were. They will probably dial back the y-wings in the next points update. But at least there is counterplay to ps2 ships with poo poo dials and 2 attack dice with one mod. Unlike tripsilons, which my dog could pilot to a win
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canyoneer posted:What you'd really want is a limit on the chassis, and there's not a good way to do that. I don;t see why in principle they couldn't amend the Limited rules to allow Limited dots to go on the chassis line as well as the pilot line. Those ships would (in that context) not be limited pilots, but you'd still only be able to take that number of a ship. It woudl be a really good solve to the issue of 'this ship is not good at 41 points, but 5 of them would be OP' that hits a lot of the lovely generic b-wing equivalents.
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I put in my pre-orders today for the new Murderbot and Space Wizard factions of a plastic space-ship fighting game. This is such a dorky hobby.
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thespaceinvader posted:I don;t see why in principle they couldn't amend the Limited rules to allow Limited dots to go on the chassis line as well as the pilot line. Those ships would (in that context) not be limited pilots, but you'd still only be able to take that number of a ship. Now find a way to prevent someone bringing four X-wings and a B-wing.
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I don't think people spamming generics would be the worst X-Wing universe to exist in, but aces might also need to drop down slightly at that point. The very loose early meta for hyperspace definitely seems like it's leaning towards quantity of ships. Five K-fighters is a list that's been possible since day 1, and it's made no impact at all really.
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The Gate posted:I don't think people spamming generics would be the worst X-Wing universe to exist in, but aces might also need to drop down slightly at that point. The very loose early meta for hyperspace definitely seems like it's leaning towards quantity of ships. Five K-fighters is a list that's been possible since day 1, and it's made no impact at all really. That's a good point. What's the meaningful difference between five K fighters and 5 X-Wings?
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Strobe posted:Now find a way to prevent someone bringing four X-wings and a B-wing. Cobbsprite posted:That's a good point. What's the meaningful difference between five K fighters and 5 X-Wings? 1 straights versus 1 turns. The 1 straights are probably more useful. But honestly, not much, and it's another reason why it bugs me that they gave the K Fighter white Barrel Roll instead of red Boost. it would have given it a distinct identity and playstyle compared to both the X Wing and the Scyk, and supported the pilots who really want to be able to change range and arc significantly (i.e. basically all of the named pilots benefit more from Boost than Roll) and given it another useful option for its 3 largely useless mod slots. But, you know. They didn't.
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Engine upgrade would actually be thematic in that case since it shows a K fighter in the art.
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thespaceinvader posted:That sounds pretty fine to me? Honestly, I'm not convinced 5 B wings is actually OP, but a lot of people are, so... I hope they really are because I would love to see the rise of Quint-B's.
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5 Bs and 5 Ion Ys are broadly similar in terms of what they can do, so, I'm really not convinced there's much difference. Beating both lists comes down to good range control and focus fire getting PS kills.
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Gavin Darklighter (61) Elusive (3) Fire-Control System (2) R3 Astromech (3) Rogue Squadron Escort (56) Elusive (3) Fire-Control System (2) R3 Astromech (3) Rogue Squadron Escort (56) Elusive (3) Fire-Control System (2) R3 Astromech (3) Total: 197 View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0 A guy just made top 4 in a Wave championship here today with this list. Might have taken the whole thing but he had to leave and couldn't finish the cut. It's a pretty fun idea.
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Got my better half the 1.0 starter kit for Valentine's day, enjoyed the hell out of it. Gonna hit up my lgs and grab some more ships for us in about a week. Didn't realize the game was this deep though.
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Blizzy_Cow posted:Got my better half the 1.0 starter kit for Valentine's day, enjoyed the hell out of it. Gonna hit up my lgs and grab some more ships for us in about a week. Didn't realize the game was this deep though. You might have a hard time finding too much 1e stuff at a game store, just as a heads up. 2e is a better game (though for learning to play and everything 1e is perfectly fine! It's the high level stuff where things go sideways) and if you get in with just the stuff that's been released so far in 2e there's still a good amount of options. I'd suggest getting a second core set eventually if you decide to stick with the game, the extra dice and templates are really nice to have but not strictly needed at first. Also, the prequel factions are releasing probably sometime this month (and weren't in 1e at all), so if that's a huge draw to you, you might want to make sure to not go to crazy with purchases until then!
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Much appreciated, order it and go from there
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Blizzy_Cow posted:Got my better half the 1.0 starter kit for Valentine's day, enjoyed the hell out of it. Gonna hit up my lgs and grab some more ships for us in about a week. Didn't realize the game was this deep though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=535Zy_rf4NU
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You might have seen it but March 21 confirmed from my local shop as drop rate for wave 3.
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So the week before Adepticon. Wonder if the new factions will be legal for those tournaments.
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Funzo posted:So the week before Adepticon. Wonder if the new factions will be legal for those tournaments. It's what, two business weeks before new releases are tournament legal? So it'd not be legal for Adepticon but totally fine for the Milwaukee Hyperspace Trial.
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This scares me as I have a bad habit of buying first regretting later.
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So it hasn't really come up yet in this thread much, but if anyone was wondering, Resistance with 4-6 A-Wings is Very Good. There were a lot of 5 and 6 A-Wing lists at Krayt Cup, someone won a hyperspace trial with 5 over the weekend, and they're sincerely nasty as hell. Lots of tweaks on which ones you can fly and with what upgrades (heroic, trick shot, crack shot, advanced optics all show up in varying amounts). I ended up playing Poe and 3 A's at KC, because a teammate wanted to run a 5 Y variant list (Gold squadrons with Selfless and no VTG), and honestly in that list Poe was a liability. I'm trying a list with Wexley and 4 A's now that seems promising, but 5 A's might be better. It's a bizarre list but the A-Wing has been my favorite ship since they popped up in RotJ and I'm happy that they'll get at least a little time in the sun as a relevant threat. It's fun to play as well, the rear arc is fantastic and keeps the pressure on and enables a lot more trick shots than you'd normally manage.
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The Gate posted:So it hasn't really come up yet in this thread much, but if anyone was wondering, Resistance with 4-6 A-Wings is Very Good. There were a lot of 5 and 6 A-Wing lists at Krayt Cup, someone won a hyperspace trial with 5 over the weekend, and they're sincerely nasty as hell. Lots of tweaks on which ones you can fly and with what upgrades (heroic, trick shot, crack shot, advanced optics all show up in varying amounts). I really like the Resistance A-Wings as well. I have been trying to find a 3 Awing build (as I only own 3). I tried the Poe/3-Awing list and its pretty fun. Has anyone tried the bomber with 3 A-wings? I have a Vennie/L'ulo and 2 Blue Squadron list I have yet to try.
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The Gate posted:So it hasn't really come up yet in this thread much, but if anyone was wondering, Resistance with 4-6 A-Wings is Very Good. There were a lot of 5 and 6 A-Wing lists at Krayt Cup, someone won a hyperspace trial with 5 over the weekend, and they're sincerely nasty as hell. Lots of tweaks on which ones you can fly and with what upgrades (heroic, trick shot, crack shot, advanced optics all show up in varying amounts). 5 Resistance A-Wings has been a list around our area for the past month or so. Sounds fun, but I never had that many a-wings.
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enigmahfc posted:5 Resistance A-Wings has been a list around our area for the past month or so. Sounds fun, but I never had that many a-wings. I’ve been flying Lulo and 4 green escorts (heroic and advanced optics on all) for our groups current league and also to prepare for some hyperspace trials. 5 awings are good, even flown suboptimally by me.
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The only reason I have not been running 5 resistance A-wing is that I can't find 3 more of them.
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enigmahfc posted:5 Resistance A-Wings has been a list around our area for the past month or so. Sounds fun, but I never had that many a-wings. I can't commit to buying four more A-wings worth a new wave around the corner. I'll probably grab another to try out a 2X2A list though.
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Resistance As are really good because of that back arc and the ridiculous dial. They're virtually guaranteed to get shots on target, and it enables maneuvers that keep them safe at the same time. If they take Heroic+Advanced Optics, they're nearly guaranteed 2 hits on their red dice (which is very similar mathematically to single-modded 3-die attacks). Other 2-die ships (TIEs, Zs, etc) are pure jousters. They (usually) can't be safe and shoot you at the same time. That is absolutely not true of As. I really like my Resistance 5s list, and one of the few lists that scares me is 5x-6x resistance A-Wings. The 5x version is a mix named dues and generics; all/most have Advanced Optics/Heroic. The 6x version is the PS1 guys. I think the 5x version is scarier.
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I know this isn't a competitive build, but I really want to run this movie-accurate Poe build. Thing will just fuckin zip all over the goddamn place one time, and then will stay hard to nail down even after the SLAM is over. Poe Dameron (68) Daredevil (3) BB-8 (8) Advanced SLAM (3) Integrated S-Foils (0) Primed Thrusters (10) Black One (2) Total: 94
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I think my next attempt with the A's will be this: AAAAA Real Monsters (38) L'ulo L'ampar [RZ-2 A-wing] (2) Trick Shot (1) Heroic Points: 41 (35) Tallissan Lintra [RZ-2 A-wing] (2) Trick Shot (4) Advanced Optics Points: 41 (36) Greer Sonnel [RZ-2 A-wing] (2) Trick Shot (4) Advanced Optics Points: 42 (32) Blue Squadron Recruit [RZ-2 A-wing] (2) Trick Shot (4) Advanced Optics Points: 38 (32) Blue Squadron Recruit [RZ-2 A-wing] (2) Trick Shot (4) Advanced Optics Points: 38 Total points: 200 Trick shot all the things. You can drop Greet down and get Heroic on stuff, but his free rotate is very good it seems like. Haven't had a chance to run 5 yet, but my last two are in the mail now.
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