Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
bump_fn
Apr 12, 2004

two of them

Rarity posted:

Nobody has a clue what will happen. Embrace Chaos.

i know but i’m not telling

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

Azza Bamboo posted:

I'm not sure the current ruling party has a consensus on it being terrible.

I am pretty sure the consensus HERE is that it's terrible.

And I'm rpetty sure that everyone in the Tories knows it will be terrible for the country, but the ones who still want it know that they will profit from it and don't care.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

Rarity posted:

Nobody has a clue what will happen. Embrace Chaos.

Renaissance Robot
Oct 10, 2010

Bite my furry metal ass

Strom Cuzewon posted:

I don't care how "correct" it is, "these data" makes my skin crawl.

"This data [set]" or "this [collection of] data" is implicit when you say "this data", so actually the singular is perfectly correct. :eng101:

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

these datums.

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Renaissance Robot posted:

"This data [set]" or "this [collection of] data" is implicit when you say "this data", so actually the singular is perfectly correct. :eng101:

This data is making me thirsty

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/malaiseforever/status/1101822691290550279

Top. Minds.

Angrymog
Jan 30, 2012

Really Madcats

Failed Imagineer posted:

Nothing wrong with either of those shops tbh

Asda is poo poo. Aldi is fine.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


thespaceinvader posted:

I shop at Waitrose largely because they were the only majoor supermarket afaik who didn't subscribe to workfare, and because they treat their employees less shittily than most supermarkets, and because they have less lovely supply chains, etc. Waitrose is middle class as gently caress, but it's also... you know, not actually that poo poo as an organisation - indeed, it's part of a pretty good example of an organisation based on more socialist principles being successful on the same sort of scale as purely capitalist ones.

You triggered my trap card

Waitrose doesn't treat its employees well, it pretends to as part of its marketting gimmick. Thus the recent rebrand to Waitrose & Partners it spent millions on while denying worker raises and bonuses.
The partner system is to prevent unionisation and workers have gently caress all say in the business cause - natch, they aren't unionised,

Sainsburys and aldi & lidl in particular pay and treat their employees better. People shop at waitrose because they have a poor understanding of value and its poncy and aspirational, the partner poo poo is a total fiction so people, particularly guardian types, can justify it to themselves.

It is in NO WAY an organisation based on socialist principles lmao

Peanut Butter
Nov 7, 2011

Wee mannie

Angrymog posted:

Asda is poo poo. Aldi is fine.

Got to go to Asda for the poo poo Aldi doesn't have, and it's cheap. Pretty naff, but cheap.

edit: the supermarket defender has logged on

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

the left did fight OMOV tooth and nail, for a while even after Corbyn won. it took as late for the Momentum constitution change in late 2016 for the dust to settle

people take a long time to recognize that the landscape has shifted and "a majority of people in trade unions think trade unions have too much power" stopped being a stylized fact of ukpol for a couple of decades already

ronya fucked around with this message at 14:21 on Mar 2, 2019

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
Is there a place to shop that isn't just making rich people richer while handing nought but crumbs to its workforce?

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
Probation
Can't post for 2 hours!

Azza Bamboo posted:

Is there a place to shop that isn't just making rich people richer while handing nought but crumbs to its workforce?

Local co-ops

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


I get waitrose food is decent, compared to Tesco, Sainsburys or asda its (overpriced) manna from heaven, though if you can cook just go to lidl or aldi cause the meat and produce is the same quality except 1/3 the price.

They don't treat their workers well though, all the fancy partner poo poo just adds up to less protection and bennies than being a basic USDAW member.

My friend has worked for them for like 12 years now and had a lower wage than I had as a new starter at sainsbos nightshift. So less than 2 quid above the minimum wage after a decade...he's now being hosed over and denied a raise this year after being asked to train new staff on top of his contracted role... Need a union mates!!

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Azza Bamboo posted:

Is there a place to shop that isn't just making rich people richer while handing nought but crumbs to its workforce?

Of the big chains its lidl and aldi apparently who treat and pay their workforce the best.
Otherwise check which chains allow USDAW or whoever membership, I know sainsbos does. That implies a minimum threshold of worker treatment.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
The problem with Aldi and Lidl is that they're loving far away from me

Build a co-op or an Aldi or Lidl or whatever at walking distance to me and I'll go there

I'm not taking a train for my groceries

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
Miftan since you keep bringing up AOC voting for ice funding she explains it in this tietter thread

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1101831550126170113?s=19

Tsietisin
Jul 2, 2004

Time passes quickly on the weekend.

Don't think the Waitrose staff are getting their bonus this year either. It's been getting considerably worse over the past 6 years.

Tsietisin fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Mar 2, 2019

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


Hentai Jihadist posted:

Of the big chains its lidl and aldi apparently who treat and pay their workforce the best.
Otherwise check which chains allow USDAW or whoever membership, I know sainsbos does. That implies a minimum threshold of worker treatment.

Sainsburys also have the best quality own brand stuff.

It's a bit pricier than shopping at the other big ones, but you get better stuff and it's not that much more, they just do less daft deals.

AceOfFlames
Oct 9, 2012

Borrovan posted:

What?! Darkest Dungeon feels hard, but you can totally cheese it, all you need to do is deliberately send endless waves of unimportant adventurers to their deat- ...oh :(

"Kif, show them the medal I won."

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Namtab posted:

It's very easy to get drawn into using antisemitic language when arguing for Palestinian rights, for instance.
While trying to find any evidence of recent antisemitism, it seems like a lot of the examples I'm coming across are either people casualising the word Nazi in front of someone they didn't realise was Jewish, or using the otherwise fairly common colloquialism of referring to the government of Israel's actions as just Israel.

It draws out the debate and makes it a complete ballache if you have to say 'the Israeli government's military protection of the illegally expanding settlements in the west bank,' and if you use the more concise 'Israel' even once they you sir are a racist forever, and further evidence that your party is racist.

As a linguist it drives me nuts.

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

Hentai Jihadist posted:

Of the big chains its lidl and aldi apparently who treat and pay their workforce the best.
Otherwise check which chains allow USDAW or whoever membership, I know sainsbos does. That implies a minimum threshold of worker treatment.

The Aldi here in Ireland host recruitment drives and they are PACKED with people trying to get hired.
Whereas Dunnes, the Irish supermarket chain, seems to be bleeding out locally.

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
At least Corbyn and Labour ain't alone in getting tagged as anti-semites:

The chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee called Friday for freshman Democratic Rep. Ilhan Omar to apologize after insinuating that pro-Israel groups are pushing "allegiance to a foreign country."

Chairman Rep. Eliot Engel's demand comes after a bookstore event Wednesday where Omar argued that critics labeling her as an anti-Semite looked to silence a necessary conversation.

"I want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is OK for people to push for allegiance to a foreign country," Omar said, according to The New York Times.
In a fiery statement Friday night, Engel, a New York Democrat, took Omar to task for yet another controversial comment over the political influence of pro-Israel groups on politicians.

"I welcome debate in Congress based on the merits of policy, but it's unacceptable and deeply offensive to call into question the loyalty of fellow American citizens because of their political views, including support for the US-Israel relationship," Engel said in the statement. "We all take the same oath. Worse, Representative Omar's comments leveled that charge by invoking a vile anti-Semitic slur."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/01/politics/ilhan-omar-engel-statement/index.html

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
Waitrose's food is noticeably like 10x the quality of Tescos' mind.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
Lol she was talking about Saudi Arabia

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
There's a vindictive part of me that wants to find those who are making claims of anti semitism and see how many of them in the past have made statements along the lines of "political correctness has gone mad"

RabidWeasel
Aug 4, 2007

Cultures thrive on their myths and legends...and snuggles!

Bobby Deluxe posted:

While trying to find any evidence of recent antisemitism, it seems like a lot of the examples I'm coming across are either people casualising the word Nazi in front of someone they didn't realise was Jewish, or using the otherwise fairly common colloquialism of referring to the government of Israel's actions as just Israel.

It draws out the debate and makes it a complete ballache if you have to say 'the Israeli government's military protection of the illegally expanding settlements in the west bank,' and if you use the more concise 'Israel' even once they you sir are a racist forever, and further evidence that your party is racist.

As a linguist it drives me nuts.

To be honest making people say "fascist" or "authoritarian racist" instead of "nazi" is extremely good, part of the problem with anti right wing discourse is that claims of "x is a nazi" are pretty easy to deflect. Even comparisons to nazis isn't good because in most cases the thing you're going to be complaining about is less terrible than the actual Holocaust.

e.g. some guy says he just wants a pure white ethnostate and why can't all of the nasty browns and jews stay in their designated homelands, you respond (correctly) "gently caress off you nazi" and then he gets to be butthurt and cry that his policy is entirely different from what the Nazis did. This poo poo is like crack to liberals and they'll leap in front of every bullet to defend the offended nazi.

endlessmonotony
Nov 4, 2009

by Fritz the Horse

Rarity posted:

Nobody has a clue what will happen. Embrace Chaos.

If you have embraced Chaos before, you know what's going to happen.

We're all going to die.

Eventually.

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


Bobby Deluxe posted:

While trying to find any evidence of recent antisemitism, it seems like a lot of the examples I'm coming across are either people casualising the word Nazi in front of someone they didn't realise was Jewish, or using the otherwise fairly common colloquialism of referring to the government of Israel's actions as just Israel.

It draws out the debate and makes it a complete ballache if you have to say 'the Israeli government's military protection of the illegally expanding settlements in the west bank,' and if you use the more concise 'Israel' even once they you sir are a racist forever, and further evidence that your party is racist.

As a linguist it drives me nuts.

It's utterly bullshit too.

I'll sometimes say "Trump", and I'll frequently say "May" or whomever, but it's expected I'll be more specific when discussing my own nation, and Trump is sort of a gigantic exception, whereas most of the time, I'd complain about what America was doing, not Obama, whereas, as if you don't say "The government of Israel" instead of Israel then your point is ignored in favour of accusing you of anti-semitism.


I complain about what Saudia Arabia are doing in the Yemen, I don't complain about King Salman specifically.

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face

Guavanaut posted:

So if I need 100g of mortar per brick and say if (mortarmass < 100*numberofbricks) in my bill of materials, is that less than or fewer?

The answer is this is a horrifying way to mix units and I'm firing you from your programming job.

OscarDiggs
Jun 1, 2011

Those sure are words on pages which are given in a sequential order!
Is the World Wide Fund for Nature a decent option for donations if I wanted to do something to help support animals and the environment?

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear

happyhippy posted:

The Aldi here in Ireland host recruitment drives and they are PACKED with people trying to get hired.
Whereas Dunnes, the Irish supermarket chain, seems to be bleeding out locally.

I know a bloke who used to work for Dunnes and he said the whole culture in the place is stuck somewhere in the 1980s and that certainly chimes with my experiences as a customer. All of the most really comically bad customer experiences I can think of I have had in Dunnes. Just after Christmas I went to get underwear and stuff at the Cornmarket one in Belfast and I decided at the last minute I didn't want something and voiding it from the till took over 5 minutes and the attitude of the person was so rotten that I told her to forget about it and hosed off to Primark instead. About 5 years ago I was in the one in Bangor one Sunday and two lads behind the till didn't bother ceasing their really very detailed conversation about their drunken adventures the previous night including all sex stuff :/

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes
i think you'll find the correct plural is "datopodes"

and whenever I see "&c" i just think of it as "and crap", which fits I guess

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Azza Bamboo posted:

There's a vindictive part of me that wants to find those who are making claims of anti semitism and see how many of them in the past have made statements along the lines of "political correctness has gone mad"

https://twitter.com/RachelRileyRR/status/976131108898246657?s=19

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
e: ^^ lmao

Azza Bamboo posted:

Is there a place to shop that isn't just making rich people richer while handing nought but crumbs to its workforce?
You're in Lincolnshire right? Co-ops in the Central England Co-operative aren't full anarchist but they're at least DemSoc.

Bobby Deluxe posted:

While trying to find any evidence of recent antisemitism, it seems like a lot of the examples I'm coming across are either people casualising the word Nazi in front of someone they didn't realise was Jewish, or using the otherwise fairly common colloquialism of referring to the government of Israel's actions as just Israel.
They sound like grammar national socialists.

Bobby Deluxe posted:

It draws out the debate and makes it a complete ballache if you have to say 'the Israeli government's military protection of the illegally expanding settlements in the west bank,' and if you use the more concise 'Israel' even once they you sir are a racist forever, and further evidence that your party is racist.

As a linguist it drives me nuts.
Do what they did with South Africa (and red/blue China), use 'apartheid Israel'. Only refers to the parts of Israel doing apartheid. If they think that's them then that's their issue.

Maugrim posted:

The answer is this is a horrifying way to mix units and I'm firing you from your programming job.

Angepain posted:

just multiply the number of items by 1.0 and it'll convert to a double and less will work fine

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Gonzo McFee posted:

The more I see of Laura's tweets the more I think she's one of those people who neutrals herself into a tory.

Neutral? Her dad was a virulent anti-communist who circumvented the law to block co-ops forming in his sweatshops in Peru https://www.scotsman.com/business/management/business-interview-nick-kuenssberg-1-2819213

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

I mean yeah, sins of the father and all that but I doubt she rebelled very hard given her current treatment of labour

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Neutral for Middle England #NFME

Rooted Vegetable
Jun 1, 2002
I presume work has started on a new handwritten Doomsday Book, in preparation!

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

crispix posted:

I know a bloke who used to work for Dunnes and he said the whole culture in the place is stuck somewhere in the 1980s and that certainly chimes with my experiences as a customer. All of the most really comically bad customer experiences I can think of I have had in Dunnes. Just after Christmas I went to get underwear and stuff at the Cornmarket one in Belfast and I decided at the last minute I didn't want something and voiding it from the till took over 5 minutes and the attitude of the person was so rotten that I told her to forget about it and hosed off to Primark instead. About 5 years ago I was in the one in Bangor one Sunday and two lads behind the till didn't bother ceasing their really very detailed conversation about their drunken adventures the previous night including all sex stuff :/

I worked for Dunnes in Omagh for a whole 2 weekends. Quit after figuring out that I was making £10 a day (1995 money here), and it cost half that to travel there.
Oh, and that we had to 'rent' the uniform, and not allowed buy it for cheaper.
Fuckers.

happyhippy fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Mar 2, 2019

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply