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Coohoolin posted:the Sarah Z vid on this was good Obviously with party politics it's a bit different, because many of those people really wield power over things, but like with the people criticizing Diane Abbott, how many are bravely speaking truth to power and how many just wanted a thinly veiled pop at the black woman, either for purity bollocks or because they're racists? She's said things that I strongly disagree with, but is getting outraged at the shadow home secretary really the best use of my efforts given what the actual real home secretary is up to? I'm glad that so many of the so-called centre-left nailed their colours to the mast about Nazi Pug Guy before getting outraged at criticism of Israel by Labour though, it makes it much easier to see the kind of faith that their points are made in (it's bad, op). e: luv 2be on a page with a gr8 xmpl @ the top
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Mar 2, 2019 18:39
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Azza Bamboo posted:oh no. "i'm not transphobic but"
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Mar 2, 2019 18:40
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ronya posted:I mean, Willsman - the author of that little note on the vaunted trade-union link - is still CLPD leader. He's even on the Labour NEC again. I don't think he's changed his spots that much since. not gonna reply to the second bit as you even put in the word assumption this time but it's worth noting to others who read this that CLPD was on slates that specifically had as part of their manifesto to protect and extend OMOV, as far back as 2002 that I could find, I'm also like not a member of the CLPD or wish to join it personally, I just said that the disaffected momentum people will probably join up in some proportion. I think this all skips over the effects on union organising and prevention of auto enrolment into the labour party from government decree, which means that there hasn't really been a coherent position on it. As a party we haven't had any form of conversation or democratic decision on the general form of labour party -> labour relations and appropriate levels of democracy and labour party decree over union behaviour (e.g. it's much easier to sell unions as a special case to be considered separate from the members if unions are also following the same rules). I think personally a lot of it comes from the lack of overarching vision for a utopian future/government as transitional plan and the inherent limits in this 'hyperpragmatic' approach to politics, e.g. that it becomes incapable of seeing outside the confines of a narrow ideology.
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Mar 2, 2019 18:42
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ThomasPaine posted:If he doesn't go on the offensive soon this AS bullshit could end extremely badly. Taking the moral high ground and playing fair is great in theory, but in practice it just leaves an opposition who's leader won't oppose and where the right gets to use all the dirty tricks. It's like a political version of the cinderella complex, believing that by virtue of just doing the right thing, people will listen. But that doesn't work in a world where the right has the ad money, the largest media distribution networks, and nobody's stopping them.
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Mar 2, 2019 18:59
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Why poster not say words in form me like. Me not read word good! Word confuse. Make nice words, maybe I understand
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Mar 2, 2019 19:10
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The labour left are like "a buh buh buh" and the blairites are like *farting noise* and then momentum happened.
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Mar 2, 2019 19:13
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:"i'm not transphobic but" shortly followed by [hot chocolate, high velocity]
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Mar 2, 2019 19:14
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Bobby Deluxe posted:It's like a political version of the cinderella complex, believing that by virtue of just doing the right thing, people will listen. But that doesn't work in a world where the right has the ad money, the largest media distribution networks, and nobody's stopping them. This is kind of like arguing that because the enemy army still has bigger numbers and better cannons, the plan of whittling away at their supply lines hasn’t yet worked. So we should go and face them head on in a decisive battle. Truth is to politics as terrain is to war; an advantage you can make use of, or a handicap you can overcome.
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Mar 2, 2019 19:20
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tritsch posted:https://twitter.com/sharrond62/status/1101618115291594752 This honestly seems like a super complicated area to me. Because yes, androgens are a performance enhancer in sports that rely on strength (and speed, and body size). That's... not really even a question? It feels like there's more to the question of changing gender identity and sport than this.
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Mar 2, 2019 19:22
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The gently caress is all this words poo poo doing here  Not havin' that   Someone declare some terrible food opinions before this place gets all hoighty toighty  
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Mar 2, 2019 19:24
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thespaceinvader posted:This honestly seems like a super complicated area to me. Because yes, androgens are a performance enhancer in sports that rely on strength (and speed, and body size). That's... not really even a question? That's because it's not about sport. It's about eradicating trans people.
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Mar 2, 2019 19:29
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thespaceinvader posted:This honestly seems like a super complicated area to me. Because yes, androgens are a performance enhancer in sports that rely on strength (and speed, and body size). That's... not really even a question? DesperateDan posted:Someone declare some terrible food opinions before this place gets all hoighty toighty
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Mar 2, 2019 19:31
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Have a schoolboy doodle, thread.
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Mar 2, 2019 19:31
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thespaceinvader posted:It feels like there's more to the question of changing gender identity and sport than this.  Seriously though, nobody gives a thundering gently caress about "genetic advantage" until and unless it's a stick they can use to beat a marginalised group. When was the last time anybody campaigned against tall people being allowed to do the high jump?
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Mar 2, 2019 19:32
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Azza Bamboo posted:Have a schoolboy doodle, thread.
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Mar 2, 2019 19:33
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Azza Bamboo posted:Have a schoolboy doodle, thread. These are great, super pleased you found the thread.
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Mar 2, 2019 19:34
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thespaceinvader posted:This honestly seems like a super complicated area to me. Because yes, androgens are a performance enhancer in sports that rely on strength (and speed, and body size). That's... not really even a question? There was a whole discussion about exactly this a couple of threads ago which I'm looking forward to skimming this time around. I think one of the counters was: are you also banning female-at-birth who happen to have higher androgen levels from competing?
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Mar 2, 2019 19:36
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A trans MMA fighter broke a cis woman’s skull in a fight which seemed pretty not fair to me
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Azza Bamboo posted:Have a schoolboy doodle, thread.
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Mar 2, 2019 19:38
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Azza Bamboo posted:Have a schoolboy doodle, thread. this is good, but why party beef?
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Mar 2, 2019 19:38
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Bape Culture posted:A trans MMA fighter broke a cis woman’s skull in a fight which seemed pretty not fair to me No fight is fair. It's a fight.
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Mar 2, 2019 19:42
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Gonzo McFee posted:No fight is fair. It's a fight. especially when I'm involved as I always get the poo poo kicked out of me
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Mar 2, 2019 19:44
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JFairfax posted:I think a bigger problem for women's sport is nonce coaches 
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Mar 2, 2019 19:49
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Bape Culture posted:A trans MMA fighter broke a cis woman’s skull in a fight which seemed pretty not fair to me As I understand it the only significant difference between cis women and trans women in combat sports is bone density:- trans women's bones weigh more, so the weight categories will punish them for having less muscle by body weight. Hormone levels take care of the rest.
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Mar 2, 2019 19:49
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Borrovan posted:This was also brought up last time. It was the kind of injury that happens all the time (but is only an issue when a trans woman inflicts them, nobody complains when they get beat). How long after someone is within normal range for a female humans hormone levels should they be before they can compete in women's divisions?
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Mar 2, 2019 19:50
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brian posted:this is good, but why party beef? This is about Tom Watson's beef with Corbyn, played out at a steakhouse in his meeting with Philip Collins.
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Mar 2, 2019 19:51
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Azza Bamboo posted:This is about Tom Watson's beef with Corbyn, played out at a steakhouse in his meeting with Philip Collins. oh the layers wow
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Maugrim posted:There was a whole discussion about exactly this a couple of threads ago which I'm looking forward to skimming this time around. Seb Coe certainly wants to. Which is more than enough for me to say no. But honestly, I'd mostly be in favour of lumping everyone in together if it has to happen at all. I've got absolutely no time for the fragility of white masculinity when the inevitable happens and a woman wins at a thing that has men in it. Especially in sports like target shooting, archery, horse riding of any sort, etc. tritsch posted:That's because it's not about sport. Guavanaut posted:It is super complicated, but there's a lot more pressing issues in both trans/NB advocacy and women's sports than "what if a trans won the olympics? just what would we do?" so I have to assume that the people bringing it up are acting in poor faith. Pilchenstein posted:Seriously though, nobody gives a thundering gently caress about "genetic advantage" until and unless it's a stick they can use to beat a marginalised group. When was the last time anybody campaigned against tall people being allowed to do the high jump? And it's bullshit that womens' prizes are lower, and womens' sport is basically second class in most areas - but if you just lump everyone in together, then you can guarantee that women would practically disappear from much of top level sport, even more than they already do, because in the end, androgens are a performance enhancer, and the best male-from-birth people will always beat the field. Bolt would still hold the 100m sprint world record even against the best female sprinters throughout history, but probably wouldn't if he had been taking estrogen. So it doesn't exactly advance the cause of women in most cases, even though the cases where it does would be absolutely glorious to watch. And as ever, just because there are more pressing issues doesn't mean the less pressing ones shouldn't be brought up, and doesn't mean that they won't be brought up, and when they are brought up, a deeper examination is probably needed than 'it's not about sport it's about eradicating trans people' because to the average person hearing the discussion, it IS about sport. Pilchenstein posted:Just abolish sports tbh, it's all utterly loving pointless.
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willie_dee posted:How long after someone is within normal range for a female humans hormone levels should they be before they can compete in women's divisions? https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jan/25/ioc-rules-transgender-athletes-can-take-part-in-olympics-without-surgery IOC went with one year. quote:Now, surgery will no longer be required, with female-to-male transgender athletes eligible to take part in men’s competitions “without restriction”.
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Absolutely shocked that TIG would even poll that high. Still, it's not good that they're still taking from Labour despite being a Coalition tribute act.
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Azza Bamboo posted:This is about Tom Watson's beef with Corbyn, played out at a steakhouse in his meeting with Philip Collins.
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Azza Bamboo posted:This is about Tom Watson's beef with Corbyn, played out at a steakhouse in his meeting with Philip Collins. Please tell me it also references the scene in The Wire where Weebey dresses down D'angelo for talking shop in the car
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GC_ChrisReeves posted:https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jan/25/ioc-rules-transgender-athletes-can-take-part-in-olympics-without-surgery Oh wait, JFairfax posted:nonce coaches
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