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Blaze Dragon: Aug 28, 2013; LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND

Thanks for the trades, Flopsy!

# ? Mar 3, 2019 04:25

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# ? Jun 1, 2024 09:21

Flopsy: Mar 4, 2013

Silver Falcon posted:

OK it'll be a pain in the rear end but you can do this. You have to use Island Scan. Tuesday is when Prinplup shows up, on Route 16. You'll have to catch one of them in a Beast Ball, then breed it with a Ditto until you get a female in a Beast Ball.

Then you'll need a male Piplup with Aqua Ring. Breed that with your Beast Ball female, until you get a Piplup with Aqua Ring in a Beast Ball.

Males pass down their poke balls now.

# ? Mar 3, 2019 04:25

Tunklord Supreme: Jun 4, 2011; dragon bong z

Flopsy posted:

It has to be two parents of the exact same species to pass the pokeball down. Breed a piplup with aqua ring then breed it with another piplup in the ball you want.

oh cool, i just saw on bulbapedia that prinplup can be caught via island scan in usum so using this method i should be able to get what i was looking for, i appreciate the quick answers from everyone

so just to make sure i've got the order of operations correct here, i'll need to:
- catch a female prinplup in a beast ball when it's available through island scan on tuesday
- then breed it with a male dewpider to get a piplup in a beast ball with aqua ring
- then breed that piplup with my 6iv foreign destiny knot ditto like i normally would til i get my ideal nature and 6ivs

that'll get me my perfect 6iv/aqua ring/beast ball strong penguin friend, right? i'm not missing anything?

EDIT:

Silver Falcon posted:

OK it'll be a pain in the rear end but you can do this. You have to use Island Scan. Tuesday is when Prinplup shows up, on Route 16. You'll have to catch one of them in a Beast Ball, then breed it with a Ditto until you get a female in a Beast Ball.

Then you'll need a male Piplup with Aqua Ring. Breed that with your Beast Ball female, until you get a Piplup with Aqua Ring in a Beast Ball.

ahhh, okay i think i get everything now, thank you all so much for the help! looking forward to going on adventures with my very strong penguin buddy

Tunklord Supreme fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Mar 3, 2019

# ? Mar 3, 2019 04:27

Flopsy: Mar 4, 2013

Blaze Dragon posted:

Thanks for the trades, Flopsy!

No problem!

Diet Poison posted:

Thank you for the offer friend but I have Timid Drought Vulpixes up the wazoo already; I've just always loved ghostly shiny Ninetales and am just curious about the easiest way to get one. Bulbapedia's kind of obtuse sometimes.

I totally understand man. My Kuzonoha is one my most treasured pokemon but breeding just sucks the soul out of you sometimes.

# ? Mar 3, 2019 04:27

Flopsy: Mar 4, 2013

Tunklord Supreme posted:

oh cool, i just saw on bulbapedia that prinplup can be caught via island scan in usum so using this method i should be able to get what i was looking for, i appreciate the quick answers from everyone

so just to make sure i've got the order of operations correct here, i'll need to:
- catch a female prinplup in a beast ball when it's available through island scan on tuesday
- then breed it with a male dewpider to get a piplup in a beast ball with aqua ring
- then breed that piplup with my 6iv foreign destiny knot ditto like i normally would til i get my ideal nature and 6ivs

that'll get me my perfect 6iv/aqua ring/beast ball strong penguin friend, right? i'm not missing anything?

Seems pretty exact actually. That looks like a winning combo right there.

# ? Mar 3, 2019 04:28

chaosapiant: Oct 10, 2012; White Line Fever

Flopsy posted:

Males pass down their poke balls now.

Giggity!

Also: can you change what ball your mon is in? Why would you do that, and how?

# ? Mar 3, 2019 04:29

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

chaosapiant posted:

Also: can you change what ball your mon is in?

chaosapiant posted:

Why would you do that

~*aesthetics*~

# ? Mar 3, 2019 04:30

chaosapiant: Oct 10, 2012; White Line Fever

I ask because I read about getting a Pok�mon in this or that ball; while I just catch everything in the least expensive ball possible and work my way up as needed.

Also, do shops ever carry specialty balls like dusk, dive, or net?

# ? Mar 3, 2019 04:32

Flopsy: Mar 4, 2013

chaosapiant posted:

Giggity!

Also: can you change what ball your mon is in? Why would you do that, and how?

Unfortunately I'm sorry to say no, at this point that's not possible. Balls are strictly determined by breeding or what you catch them in. I'm just picky because I like the colors of the pokemon to match up with their balls but there's no real battle benefit to it. It's just aesthetics.

# ? Mar 3, 2019 04:32

Silver Falcon: Dec 5, 2005; Two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight and barbecue your own drumsticks!

Flopsy posted:

Males pass down their poke balls now.

Yes, of course, but in order to get egg moves on it, you need a female. Balls are only passed down when breeding the same species.

Tunklord Supreme posted:

oh cool, i just saw on bulbapedia that prinplup can be caught via island scan in usum so using this method i should be able to get what i was looking for, i appreciate the quick answers from everyone

so just to make sure i've got the order of operations correct here, i'll need to:
- catch a female prinplup in a beast ball when it's available through island scan on tuesday
- then breed it with a male dewpider to get a piplup in a beast ball with aqua ring
- then breed that piplup with my 6iv foreign destiny knot ditto like i normally would til i get my ideal nature and 6ivs

that'll get me my perfect 6iv/aqua ring/beast ball strong penguin friend, right? i'm not missing anything?

EDIT:

ahhh, okay i think i get everything now, thank you all so much for the help! looking forward to going on adventures with my very strong penguin buddy

You have the process down! I am pretty sure the Island Scan starters can't be female. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

EDIT: and you'd have to breed it anyway because balls are only passed down when breeding the same species. So, breeding Prinplup with Piplup would not work! The world of Fashion Balling is complex and fraught with pitfalls. Good luck!

Silver Falcon fucked around with this message at 04:39 on Mar 3, 2019

# ? Mar 3, 2019 04:33

Flopsy: Mar 4, 2013

Silver Falcon posted:

Yes, of course, but in order to get egg moves on it, you need a female. Balls are only passed down when breeding the same species.

Ah, ok I see what you're talking about now.

# ? Mar 3, 2019 04:34

chaosapiant: Oct 10, 2012; White Line Fever

Egg moves... another term I hear a lot. And read a lot. What�s egg moves?

(I also picture it being sang by Bob Seger.)

# ? Mar 3, 2019 04:34

Flopsy: Mar 4, 2013

chaosapiant posted:

Egg moves... another term I hear a lot. And read a lot. What�s egg moves?

(I also picture it being sang by Bob Seger.)

Moves that are passed down by the mother pokemon breeding with a pokemon of a different species. For example: a female pidove breeding with a male honchkrow to get night slash.

Y'all want to hear a breeding horror story related to this?

# ? Mar 3, 2019 04:37

Silver Falcon: Dec 5, 2005; Two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight and barbecue your own drumsticks!

chaosapiant posted:

Egg moves... another term I hear a lot. And read a lot. What�s egg moves?

(I also picture it being sang by Bob Seger.)

Egg Moves are extra moves Pokemon can only pick up by breeding.

Take the Piplup example being discussed here. Aqua Ring is on Piplup's Egg Move list. Breed a female Piplup with a male that knows Aqua Ring, and the baby Piplups will have Aqua Ring when they hatch. You can do this either with a male in the same "Egg Group" (basically a list of what will breed with what) or a male of the same species that knows the move you want.

You can get some pretty great moves this way!

# ? Mar 3, 2019 04:37

Brother Entropy: Dec 27, 2009

chaosapiant posted:

Egg moves... another term I hear a lot. And read a lot. What�s egg moves?

(I also picture it being sang by Bob Seger.)

egg moves are moves that can only be acquired via breeding; to use a thread example, the piplup line can only get aqua ring by having a female of the piplup line breed with a compatiable male who has aqua ring

# ? Mar 3, 2019 04:38

Flopsy: Mar 4, 2013

These guys explained it better than me. ^^^^^^

# ? Mar 3, 2019 04:40

Silver Falcon: Dec 5, 2005; Two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight and barbecue your own drumsticks!

Flopsy posted:

These guys explained it better than me. ^^^^^^

We're being helpful. I want to hear your breeding horror story!

# ? Mar 3, 2019 04:43

Flopsy: Mar 4, 2013

Silver Falcon posted:

We're being helpful. I want to hear your breeding horror story!

Oh Lord thank you LOL. Welp you're going think I'm insane but the fact I actually went through with this probably means I already am. So the worst thing I've ever had to breed in my life was essentially the jewel of my collection. A single Budew. Now you might ask yourself "What makes this Budew so much more valuable than all these shiny Arceus' and Deoxys' you're giving away Flops?". It's a timid, hidden ability budew with extrasensory and hidden power fire in a moon ball with the highest possible IVs in every category save attack.

Breeding this took four weeks and a significant chunk of my sanity. I bred a "shiny" before I got the pokemon I wanted. To the uninitiated Budew are notoriously hard to breed because they require the parent to hold the rose incense. Essentially forcing you to give up one of the most vital breeding tools: the everstone. Their nature becomes completely randomized and getting it right becomes a gamble. In addition to that hidden abilities are also randomized along with IV's. And in order to get extrasensory on the pokemon it HAD to be a Budew because the move will not pass down to Roselia. So....through a lot of trial and error I managed to get two parents, a female Roselia with her hidden ability, the right IV's for hidden power fire and extrasensory but a poo poo nature with a bulbasaur with the same exact IV's needed for hidden power fire holding the destiny knot. Because of the sheer amount of randomization involved in the breeding process I had thousands of near misses trying to get the right combination for the baby. I got almost all my shinies from the sheer amount of wonder trading I did trying to breed this perfect budew that just seemed like it wasn't happening. Why did I do this nitpicking bullshit you ask? Because Roserade is one of my favorite pokemon and I wanted to make one as competitively viable as possible. Also I'm loving nuts. So one beautiful BEAUTIFUL DAY I finally did it. i finally got a timid one with all the business correctly in order and named him Arsene. I may or may not of wept. It then occurred to me I might have a problem before I promptly shook off this revelation to start breeding a Vespiquen.

The END

# ? Mar 3, 2019 05:06

Diet Poison: Jan 20, 2008; LICK MY ASS

Haha, okay, here's what I came up with:

SHININESS
DexNav: 0.00156 (I don't have the shiny charm in AS)
Masuda w/ Shiny Charm: 0.00195

DROUGHT
DexNav: .23
Breeding: .8

TIMID
Fainted Synch Abra: .54
Breeding w/ Everstone 1

Not to mention IVs... there's no guarantee that Super Trained stats will carry forward into Gen 8 as we know they don't change the "real" value of the number.

.00156*.23*.54 = 0.000193752 = 0.0194%
.00195*.8*1 = 0.00156 = 0.156%

Feel free to check my math if you're the type of person inclined to do that. So it looks like Masuda Breeding with Shiny Charm and an Everstone is 8 times more likely to yield the result I want than DexNav-ing with a fainted Abra out in front. Well that was a waste of a ridiculous amount of time.

e: What this doesn't take into account is how many Vulpixes I can hatch per hour vs how many I can encounter with the DexNav per hour. But something tells me the latter won't be 8 times the former.

Diet Poison fucked around with this message at 05:12 on Mar 3, 2019

# ? Mar 3, 2019 05:09

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Bringing back for a last hurrah the topic of 90s kids anime dubs, I'm wondering how Medabots holds up, since it had a pretty silly dub but I get the feeling it was a pretty silly show in the first place. The villains were silly and dumb even by children's cartoon standards and the subject of constant mockery. Also, Metabee had a black VA who basically played him like Shaft as a little gun-toting robot.

I mostly remember the Pokemon anime in the last days of the 4kids dub had an episode with 'dating season'.

# ? Mar 3, 2019 05:09

Flopsy: Mar 4, 2013

Diet Poison posted:

Haha, okay, here's what I came up with:

SHININESS
DexNav: 0.00156 (I don't have the shiny charm in AS)
Masuda w/ Shiny Charm: 0.00195

DROUGHT
DexNav: .23
Breeding: .8

TIMID
Fainted Synch Abra: .54
Breeding w/ Everstone 1

Not to mention IVs... there's no guarantee that Super Trained stats will carry forward into Gen 8 as we know they don't change the "real" value of the number.

.00156*.23*.54 = 0.000193752 = 0.0194%
.00195*.8*1 = 0.00156 = 0.156%

Feel free to check my math if you're the type of person inclined to do that. So it looks like Masuda Breeding with Shiny Charm and an Everstone is 8 times more likely to yield the result I want than DexNav-ing with a fainted Abra out in front. Well that was a waste of a ridiculous amount of time.

e: What this doesn't take into account is how many Vulpixes I can hatch per hour vs how many I can encounter with the DexNav per hour. But something tells me the latter won't be 8 times the former.

I feel like we're kin already.

# ? Mar 3, 2019 05:13

OgretailFood: Oct 9, 2012; Recommended by 10 out of 10 Aragami

This breeding talk reminded me that I still have a lot of egg move passing I need to go through. Hopefully it won't take more time than passing down Water Pulse on a Vanillite before ORAS came out, already used that TM in Platinum so I had to restart LeafGreen to get that from Misty, transfer that TM, teach it to a Snorunt in Platinum, transfer to Black 1, and then PokeBank it. I wonder if any of the Gen 8 pok�mon are going to get egg move chains like that again.

# ? Mar 3, 2019 05:26

HalfHazard: Mar 29, 2010

Flopsy posted:

Budew story

I tried for the same exact thing lmao. So don't feel too bad, at least you managed it eventually.

# ? Mar 3, 2019 05:32

OhFunny: Jun 26, 2013; EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC

Silver Falcon posted:

It's pretty darn fast in the Alola games.

Oval Charm is a key item you get it in Hea Hea City from Moritomo in the Gamefreak building. It makes eggs appear more often.

If you have a Pokemon with Magma Armor or Flame Body in your party, eggs hatch twice as fast. If you're in Ultra Sun or Ultra Moon, you can also use the Roto Hatch power (received randomly when Rotom's eyes flash), to cut it in half again.

Then what you do is go out to the small enclosed pen right in front of the Nursery, bring out your Tauros ride-on Pokemon, and spin in circles like an idiot. When the attendant outside crosses her arms, that means an egg is ready! Go grab it, and spin some more. When you have a party full of eggs, pop a Roto Hatch, or just keep spinning and keep collecting eggs as they come in. If you accept another egg while your party is full, you'll be promted to send any extras straight to your PC.

You can amass unholy amounts of eggs in no time at all.

I also do a perhaps unhealthy amount of breeding. I can answer any more questions you might have!

Gonna quote this so I can refer to it later.

# ? Mar 3, 2019 05:39

Flopsy: Mar 4, 2013

HalfHazard posted:

I tried for the same exact thing lmao. So don't feel too bad, at least you managed it eventually.

Thank you for your kind words. :glomp:

# ? Mar 3, 2019 05:43

chaosapiant: Oct 10, 2012; White Line Fever

Flopsy posted:

Oh Lord thank you LOL. Welp you're going think I'm insane but the fact I actually went through with this probably means I already am. So the worst thing I've ever had to breed in my life was essentially the jewel of my collection. A single Budew. Now you might ask yourself "What makes this Budew so much more valuable than all these shiny Arceus' and Deoxys' you're giving away Flops?". It's a timid, hidden ability budew with extrasensory and hidden power fire in a moon ball with the highest possible IVs in every category save attack.

Breeding this took four weeks and a significant chunk of my sanity. I bred a "shiny" before I got the pokemon I wanted. To the uninitiated Budew are notoriously hard to breed because they require the parent to hold the rose incense. Essentially forcing you to give up one of the most vital breeding tools: the everstone. Their nature becomes completely randomized and getting it right becomes a gamble. In addition to that hidden abilities are also randomized along with IV's. And in order to get extrasensory on the pokemon it HAD to be a Budew because the move will not pass down to Roselia. So....through a lot of trial and error I managed to get two parents, a female Roselia with her hidden ability, the right IV's for hidden power fire and extrasensory but a poo poo nature with a bulbasaur with the same exact IV's needed for hidden power fire holding the destiny knot. Because of the sheer amount of randomization involved in the breeding process I had thousands of near misses trying to get the right combination for the baby. I got almost all my shinies from the sheer amount of wonder trading I did trying to breed this perfect budew that just seemed like it wasn't happening. Why did I do this nitpicking bullshit you ask? Because Roserade is one of my favorite pokemon and I wanted to make one as competitively viable as possible. Also I'm loving nuts. So one beautiful BEAUTIFUL DAY I finally did it. i finally got a timid one with all the business correctly in order and named him Arsene. I may or may not of wept. It then occurred to me I might have a problem before I promptly shook off this revelation to start breeding a Vespiquen.

The END

Did you pick Arsene because it�s from Persona/Shin Megami Tensei? Also, fantastic story! I�d love to know how many hours you have in Pok�mon!

# ? Mar 3, 2019 06:25

Kurieg: Jul 19, 2012; RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20

My favorite thing is how Game Freak loves giving pokemon in the Field egg group these completely random egg moves that no pokemon in the egg group learns.

But Smeargle exists so it's technically possible.

# ? Mar 3, 2019 07:23

Aristide: Sep 2, 2011; Mysterious Cat Country

Flopsy, if ya don't mind me asking, but are you still in need of the dusk ball pidove or luxury ball growliths? I'd like do do something nice for you for being so nice to everyone.

# ? Mar 3, 2019 07:48

Hustlin Floh: Jul 20, 2009; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

A little late but everyone knows the Pokemon show is for idiot morons, as is the entire franchise.

Also I will be buying a Switch for this game and putting together a team of six Wigglytuffs with varied coverage moves to handle the entire spectrum, only to throw my joycons in the trash with rage as soon as I get to the Poison or Steel gym.

# ? Mar 3, 2019 07:52

Flopsy: Mar 4, 2013

chaosapiant posted:

Did you pick Arsene because it�s from Persona/Shin Megami Tensei? Also, fantastic story! I�d love to know how many hours you have in Pok�mon!

Yup! Roserade gives me a phantom thief vibe so I thought it was appropriate. And at this point I'd wager somewhere in the thousands I don't really check on the regular but I've been breeding nonstop since sun and moon came out.

Aristide posted:

Flopsy, if ya don't mind me asking, but are you still in need of the dusk ball pidove or luxury ball growliths? I'd like do do something nice for you for being so nice to everyone.

D'awwww!!! Thank you so much! :3:

A dusk ball pidove would be fine. If you'd like to pick out something for yourself too feel free.

Flopsy fucked around with this message at 09:18 on Mar 3, 2019

# ? Mar 3, 2019 09:02

Infinitum: Jul 30, 2004

https://twitter.com/GameTimeAsia/status/1101708180806164480

# ? Mar 3, 2019 09:36

Winklebottom: Dec 19, 2007

Infinitum posted:

I will not stand for this incessant putting down of Grookey

he is a good boy (unless he gets a terrible evo, then he'll go into the trash)

Winklebottom fucked around with this message at 11:36 on Mar 3, 2019

# ? Mar 3, 2019 11:30

Vapor Moon: Feb 24, 2010; Neato!; The Human Font

Is the GTS still filled with hacked 'mons? I haven't played much since HGSS.

# ? Mar 3, 2019 12:28

Infinitum: Jul 30, 2004

Winklebottom posted:

I will not stand for this incessant putting down of Grookey

he is a good boy (unless he gets a terrible evo, then he'll go into the trash)

How dare you. Grookey Gang 4 Life

Infinitum posted:

Chill Penguin posted:
Rep Grookey Gang

This guy gets it

# ? Mar 3, 2019 12:34

CROWS EVERYWHERE: Dec 17, 2012; CAW CAW CAW; Dinosaur Gum

Vapor Moon posted:

Is the GTS still filled with hacked 'mons? I haven't played much since HGSS.

Wonder Trade is so the GTS probably is too. So many level 100 perfect IV shinies.

# ? Mar 3, 2019 12:38

Winklebottom: Dec 19, 2007

Infinitum posted:

How dare you. Grookey Gang 4 Life

if he cannot maintain his good boy status when evolving that's his problem

so, what are your bets on the new Eeveelution? I'm thinking steel to go with the sword/shield motif

# ? Mar 3, 2019 12:53

Clarste: Apr 15, 2013; Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.

Bug Eevee

# ? Mar 3, 2019 12:58

Kite Pride Worldwide: Apr 20, 2009

Dragon Eevee cause it's the only original special type not represented by an Eeveelution :colbert:

# ? Mar 3, 2019 13:06

galagazombie: Oct 31, 2011; A silly little mouse!

Flying Eevee so we can get a pure flying type that isn't some Legendary or weird alternate form.

# ? Mar 3, 2019 13:12

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# ? Jun 1, 2024 09:21

Zedd: Jul 6, 2009; I mean, who would have noticed another madman around here?

Electric Eevee again, this time it looks like Pikachu.

# ? Mar 3, 2019 13:15

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