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Charliegrs posted:Yeah seriously I don't see some over abundance of skilled welders and plumbers happening anytime soon. Like you said there's a serious shortage of people in many of these trades and many of the people in them are on the verge of retiring. The kids are still being told to go to college or they will forever be losers, even though many of the kids really shouldn't be going to college but rather going to a trade school. But things like "trade schools" and "community colleges" are still the butt of jokes for people and late night talk shows so good luck getting a plumber to show up 20 years from now. And that's a shame. The Democratic party needs to stop making it seem like a 4 year college degree is the path for everyone. Quite simply, not everyone will appreciate what it entails, and not everyone is suited to it. The world needs plumbers and HVAC technicians too and if you want the proof, try getting your A/C fixed in Texas in the dead of summer. CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:Good luck being a pipefitter at 50 when your joints start to disintegrate. Democrats should own this issue. Transition programs for folks when their bodies aren't up to the work anymore, and good programs for unemployment and retirement, plus single payer healthcare all along the way. It's an avenue they don't use to their advantage with real working class folks. https://twitter.com/EmrgencyKittens/status/1102026306085109760 VH4Ever fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Mar 3, 2019 |
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eke out posted:also because i'm curious I went and looked this up, I'm not sure what time frame you're discussing but IPCC projects with high confidence some amount less than a meter (seems like the models largely agree that it's more than half a meter, but range significantly between .50ish and .90ish) by 2100 IPCC predictions are group-consensus on the absolute most conservative possible climate change, and are repeatedly being shown to have understated the problem.
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:Good luck being a pipefitter at 50 when your joints start to disintegrate. What? We've been building our civilization off the bodies of people desperate enough/enslaved to do grueling labor and scorching the earth? And now people have wizened up to this fact and still fail to act? And society is bound to collapse in the not-that-distant future because of it? 
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On the other hand white people without four year degrees vote like loving idiots so maybe we actually don’t need to encourage that.
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Mar 3, 2019 20:21
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Failed Imagineer posted:Goon project? Take that ridiculous Warhammer/game of thrones fanfic the book barn made all those years ago, find/replace until it is about trump, sell to CHUDs. You’re welcome.
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VH4Ever posted:Democrats should own this issue. Transition programs for folks when their bodies aren't up to the work anymore, and good programs for unemployment and retirement, plus single payer healthcare all along the way. It's an avenue they don't use to their advantage with real working class folks. I regret to inform you that the past 30 years of democrat rule at the state and federal levels have resulted in gutted unemployment/disability programs with "work requirements" and pensions in favor of predatory 401ks and other savings accounts. There's no coming back from this, the democrats are not the party of real working class folks.
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VH4Ever posted:And that's a shame. The Democratic party needs to stop making it seem like a 4 year college degree is the path for everyone. I don't see them doing this. What they're doing is saying everyone should have the opportunity if they so choose
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Ogmius815 posted:On the other hand white people without four year degrees vote like loving idiots so maybe we actually don’t need to encourage that. Cool take, dude. Given how many people finish off 4 years getting a degree in whatever whatever and then go into a career that makes use of absolutely none of the skills they learned in college makes it pretty clear that the ultimate purpose behind university education in the modern USA is (a) being a class symbol for people rich enough to afford it and (b) shackling people who can't afford it into impossible-to-discharge debt for their entire lives.
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Hallucinogenic Toreador posted:Isn't Florida even more hosed than this would indicate because a lot of the bedrock is limestone that's going to dissolve and/or become waterlogged with saltwater? yeah, if it ever gets to this point (lol it will), seawater'll infiltrate the lower aquifer system and make South Florida unlivable solely due to that
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Mar 3, 2019 20:29
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a majority of college educated white people that voted in 2016 voted for by far and without question the dumbest person to ever even consider running for president.
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Groovelord Neato posted:a majority of college educated white people that voted in 2016 voted for by far and without question the dumbest person to ever even consider running for president. Yeah and that number goes up if you factor in lack of a degree, which is the point being made.
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It's still tough active work, but honestly barring some fields like straight ironworking, technology has progressed really rapidly in construction to make the job safer and less ruinous on your body. Just this week my team was replacing some fire protection valves from the 1980s. The ones we were taking out weighed in at around 450 lbs, and took an hour to break apart the ancient flanges and disassemble it enough to make it movable. The new valve that went in it's place weighed 116 lbs and installed in about 7 minutes with two quick groove connections.
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Casey Finnigan posted:Cool take, dude. Any BA degree is going to give you a solid set of skills independent of the actual major. You will: Work on individual and group projects against a deadline. Do targeted research and present your findings. Manage your time. Learn new things with and without guidance. That qualifies you for any office "knowledge worker" position. I work for a biotech firm with 14,000 people on the main campus. For probably half of those jobs a BA in Underwater Basket Weaving would do as well as any other degree, and an AA or trade school cert would do for about half of the rest.
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https://twitter.com/CPAC/status/1101915764414541828?s=19 This will again be immediately challenged in court but jesus
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mllaneza posted:Any BA degree is going to give you a solid set of skills independent of the actual major. You will: No this is what you have 4 years of highschool to learn as a teenager.
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Unzip and Attack posted:Yeah and that number goes up if you factor in lack of a degree, which is the point being made. Yeah and the fact that most people even with a degree still voted for dumb gently caress Trump means that maybe the main thing you rag on shouldn't be that these people lack the $50,000 - $200,000 piece of paper saying they are worthwhile human beings. I worked my rear end off in high school to get into a "good college" and graduated with a respectable GPA and all that poo poo and the debt I took on from that has practically destroyed my life. If it wasn't for support from my father, a guy with an 8th grade education who came to America by overstaying a work visa, I'd be utterly hosed. I don't feel like discouraging people who want to avoid that.
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:Good luck being a pipefitter at 50 when your joints start to disintegrate. And Sitting in front of a computer screen for 30 years will make you fat and damage your eyes. It's almost like trade jobs don't exist in a vacuum. With strong regulatory bodies like OHSA to enforce good working practices, Universal healthcare to ensure that people get regular checkups and can get early warning to damage their doing, and having wages high enough that they wont have to be working well into their sixties, these problems could be avoided. But I'm sure youd much rather poo poo on trades people and talk about how the Democrats cant do anything.
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Jealous Cow posted:https://twitter.com/theintercept/status/1102292688345419779 i mean they out and out lied about what happened.
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God drat it Arkansas. This loving state.
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Dumb conservatives and dumb liberals agree: they hate college.
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It never ceases to amaze me that because of short sighted people in power and influence to make a profit they undercut the notion to have a country that takes care of its Citizens because by doing so will make both the country safer, more educated, healthier, not in debt, ensuring a better and capable workforce to contribute. There's this part of America that hates itself and spites itself and it's fellow man. These idiots don't even get the concept of giving up a little to get a lot back. They even suck as overlords. The only reason they're doing such things is because they fear, either competition or they will be unsurped. It's sad.
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Ogmius815 posted:Dumb conservatives and dumb liberals agree: they hate college. No, poo poo-for-brains, it's not good to say that college is so super important when college costs a loving arm and a leg and there's currently a massive student debt crisis. College is good... if it doesn't bankrupt you!! How can you not understand this e: besides I have a four-year degree in a STEM field, so surely this makes me a smart, good man? Or if I'm dumb then you admit the degree counts for jack poo poo huh Casey Finnigan fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Mar 3, 2019 |
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Jealous Cow posted:https://twitter.com/theintercept/status/1102292688345419779 https://twitter.com/ZerlinaMaxwell/status/1102273193706958854 Except he's right and the delusional people are on cable news.
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:Good luck being a pipefitter at 50 when your joints start to disintegrate.
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mass incarceration not being a race issue is an extragalactic brain take.
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Taintrunner posted:https://twitter.com/ZerlinaMaxwell/status/1102273193706958854 Which is why he will be on a true news source like Fox News.
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https://twitter.com/shelbyholliday/status/1102277514553118720 Roger Stone is just physically incapable of shutting up, isn't he? Though if his tactic is to switch over to self-deleting social media platforms as an attempt to go, "What post? I never made any post!", I need to grab some popcorn for how this will be received by the judge.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:You joke, but Kate Miccuci had to do some sordid things before she got her job voicing Webigail. ...Ken Bone?
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Casey Finnigan posted:No, poo poo-for-brains, it's not good to say that college is so super important when college costs a loving arm and a leg and there's currently a massive student debt crisis. College is good... if it doesn't bankrupt you!! How can you not understand this
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If Bernie Sanders declares he will fight for a constitutional amendment to eliminate the phrase of the 13th that states "Slavery is abolished except if convicted of a crime as punishment..." I think he'd be the only one to suggest it and it'd pretty much lock him down. Even Obama or profit-prison Kamala didn't or wouldn't do such a thing. Eliminate for profit prison, make sure the system and legality of slavery in 2019 America is abolished.
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Groovelord Neato posted:mass incarceration not being a race issue is an extragalactic brain take. Does seem to be the Centrist version of "Why won't they say RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM????" this cycle, doesn't it?
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My wonderful daughter, not to be confused with my other, shittier daughter https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1102295815794626560?s=19
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pumpinglemma posted:I think pretty much the entire thread is in favour of making college free. Demanding a price for imparting knowledge should be criminal. Quite the other way around. KickerOfMice fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Mar 3, 2019 |
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Gatts posted:If Bernie Sanders declares he will fight for a constitutional amendment to eliminate the phrase of the 13th that states "Slavery is abolished except if convicted of a crime as punishment..." I think he'd be the only one to suggest it and it'd pretty much lock him down. Even Obama or profit-prison Kamala didn't or wouldn't do such a thing. Eliminate for profit prison, make sure the system and legality of slavery in 2019 America is abolished. it really is insane nobody talks about it. it'd be insane even if a popular documentary hadn't been centered around that loophole.
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pumpinglemma posted:I think pretty much the entire thread is in favour of making college free. Sorry, but buying into the elitist framing around "good" and "bad" colleges, the value of degrees, etc. has really cost me a lot in my life, so I'm pretty sensitive about this. My college education and experience was extremely valuable, but gently caress, it was not worth the cost. People shouldn't be made to feel like idiots if they agree with that sentiment and try to avoid the burden that the cost of a four-year degree in the US can be.
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Jealous Cow posted:https://twitter.com/theintercept/status/1102292688345419779 I know this corner of the internet hates Greenwald, but what did he say that was delusional or even false? edit: Taintrunner posted:https://twitter.com/ZerlinaMaxwell/status/1102273193706958854 "I was wrong, but I stand by my talking point based on the thing I was wrong about. Okay, see you tomorrow again on national tv!" 1glitch0 fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Mar 3, 2019 |
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Failed Imagineer posted:My wonderful daughter, not to be confused with my other, shittier daughter Works so hard at what? What the actual gently caress is her job title and responsibilities re:America these days
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