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The video length stuff is due to break points for ads on YouTube. It has to be a certain length for a preroll and a certain other length for a mid video ad. I think it’s 3 and 10 minutes respectively but I’m not 100% Videos in place of in game tutorials are annoying but I guess better than nothing if that’s the alternative
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Groda posted:Wedding Crashers 2 looking good. 
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mlmp08 posted:Yeah. I still prioritize website-based guides to any video poo poo. I have to be both desperate and rolling loving zero with google to bother hitting youtube.
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of me, but I swear video game hints/tips/tutorials used to be waaaaay better.
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Cyrano4747 posted:I still prioritize website-based guides to any video poo poo. I have to be both desperate and rolling loving zero with google to bother hitting youtube. The pivot to video has so much to answer for.
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Cyrano4747 posted:I hate that channel but like that video. I suspect the padding is because of some rules about youtube monetization EDIT: beaten to this
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mllaneza posted:Video presenters gushing on and on about how this is the coolest footage they've ever gotten is intrinsically annoying. It's just that in this case it's objectively true, they're never shooting anything as awesome as this. They're more then just presenters though since they created the channel, they wouldn't be doing this video if they didn't think it would be cool and awesome so of course they're going to talk about how much they think that, it would be weird and out of character for them if they didn't, it's what their audience expects. Don't tell me you skip to the last third of top gear for the zany bits.  edit: Also what Hobbesmaster says, but also in order to maintain viewer engagement you need to do a bunch of things to establish a rapport with your audience in addition to the "Please bell me, add me to the tweet book, like and subscribe, etc". If you want people who are fans of your content and not just happen to looked at it once but want them to keep coming back, follow you on twitter etc, you need to have a personable relationship with your viewers. Raenir Salazar fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Mar 3, 2019 |
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At least for popular games that aren’t brand new the wikis we have now are pretty nice.
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Raenir Salazar posted:They're more then just presenters though since they created the channel, they wouldn't be doing this video if they didn't think it would be cool and awesome so of course they're going to talk about how much they think that, it would be weird and out of character for them if they didn't, it's what their audience expects. I’m a legit fan of a ton of YouTube people. All of them make whatever the minimum length for making money is by putting in content. You know, interesting facts or analysis etc rather than just being wacky and padding poo poo with reaction shots and super verbose descriptions. You can stretch your content in interesting ways. I personally find the way that the slow mo guys do it to be very uninteresting and get in the way of what they’re doing. Alternatively just pad out your video with more poo poo in slow mo. That polish guy who crushes random poo poo in a hydraulic press is a good example. He just runs the press a few more times and sticks in an extra few phone books or cans of shaving cream or whatever. He’s entertaining so I don’t end up skipping forward to find the actual content.
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Mar 3, 2019 17:39
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Cyrano4747 posted:Alternatively just pad out your video with more poo poo in slow mo. That polish guy who crushes random poo poo in a hydraulic press is a good example. He just runs the press a few more times and sticks in an extra few phone books or cans of shaving cream or whatever. He’s entertaining so I don’t end up skipping forward to find the actual content. If it's the guy I'm thinking of, he's Finnish, not Polish. Unless there's a Polish hydraulic press guy as well that I'm not aware of.
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Beardless posted:If it's the guy I'm thinking of, he's Finnish, not Polish. Unless there's a Polish hydraulic press guy as well that I'm not aware of. Think you’re right. I think there’s a polish guy in my list somewhere that does insane things too. Maybe with electricity?
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Cyrano4747 posted:Think you’re right. I think there’s a polish guy in my list somewhere that does insane things too. Maybe with electricity? Nah, the electricity guy is Persian.
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Mar 3, 2019 18:26
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I don't know why but I'm laughing like a hyena at y'all trying to identify which guy is doing which weird thing on Youtube based on ethnicity/nationality.
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Mar 3, 2019 18:29
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Cyrano4747 posted:I’m a legit fan of a ton of YouTube people. But you can't deny that it works for them though, they have 12 million subscribers and they regularly break 1 million views per video; plus if you consider the overlap with their Roosterteeth / Let's Play fanbase (Particularly for Gavin), those fans especially want to see reaction shots. Assuming the hydraulic press channel is the one you're talking about, 2.1 million subscribers, though similar average views per video though with lower lows. Like it's okay if it doesn't appeal to you since what people like is subjective, but I think it's a stretch to suggest that they shouldn't be doing what they're doing.
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Mar 3, 2019 18:30
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I mean, millions of people also watch The Big Bang Theory but that's not going to stop me from saying I think network laugh track sitcoms are dumb and bad. edit: people can watch whatever they want to watch, but that doesn't make those things immune from criticism. There are plenty of profitable models for entertainment that are really, really dumb and annoying.
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Mar 3, 2019 18:42
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Here's a good video by someone who actually does this poo poo and knows the ins-and-outs of Youtube way better than I do. She's approaching it from a media studies angle but it's still a neat look at how crafted youtube is and how people do specific things to drive the engagement/viewership metrics that matter for the algorithms. What I'm probably reacting to is exactly that issue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FJEtCvb2Kw
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Mar 3, 2019 18:46
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Forgotten Weapons is like the perfect YouTube video series. I don’t even know that much about gun mechanics but it’s concise and interesting enough I’ve watched like 100 of them. Meanwhile I’ll try to watch so many others and so can’t get through 3 minutes.
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Mar 3, 2019 18:47
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Shooting Blanks posted:I don't know why but I'm laughing like a hyena at y'all trying to identify which guy is doing which weird thing on Youtube based on ethnicity/nationality. Someone should assign some kind of noun to them.
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Shooting Blanks posted:I don't know why but I'm laughing like a hyena at y'all trying to identify which guy is doing which weird thing on Youtube based on ethnicity/nationality. There's also some flavor of brit I think(?) who plays with insanely dangerous chinese electronics.
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Mar 3, 2019 19:00
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Cyrano4747 posted:There's also some flavor of brit I think(?) who plays with insanely dangerous chinese electronics. I think you're thinking of Colin Furze, he's the first one mentioned that I'm familiar with. Mazz posted:Forgotten Weapons is like the perfect YouTube video series. I don’t even know that much about gun mechanics but it’s concise and interesting enough I’ve watched like 100 of them. Meanwhile I’ll try to watch so many others and so can’t get through 3 minutes. It's funny you bring up Forgotten Weapons because, unless things have changed, they are completely non-monetized and fully supported by Patreon/merch sales/etc. since it's firearms content and that makes Youtube skittish.
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Mar 3, 2019 19:14
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Cyrano4747 posted:I mean, millions of people also watch The Big Bang Theory but that's not going to stop me from saying I think network laugh track sitcoms are dumb and bad. But this is an apples to oranges comparison, would you also criticize Mythbusters* or top gear for the presenters for visibly enjoying their work? There is a universal valid criticism to laugh tracks irrespective of the quality of the underlying show, i.e they're condescending and don't trust the audience to find the "funny parts" funny. While presenters visibly enjoying and reacting to "awesome things happening" I've almost never seen criticized before this thread. It isn't being about immune from criticism, it's about whether, when informed of the fuller context, is that criticism really reasonable? There's a simple counter argument here, and that if you *just* had a video about the part you'd prefer to see, then it would not have an interesting pacing curve, and that the video from a cinematographic perspective is improved by giving your audience breathing space; since Gavin Free works in the film/production industry I wouldn't be surprised if this was a deliberate choice. *I think MB *does* IRIC in fact get some flake for a *lot* of repetition that they do/did but not for having it at all I think.
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Plugging my deadish TFR thread on youtube streaming! https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3880174 
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Shooting Blanks posted:I think you're thinking of Colin Furze, he's the first one mentioned that I'm familiar with. Could also be bigclive, who has a bit less of a commercialised "youtube" feel and is a grand watch Mazz posted:Forgotten Weapons is like the perfect YouTube video series. Aye, no fancy titles and graphics, no begging for subscribers or t shirt sales, no 10 min explainer at the start for what's happening in the episode- just solidly researched, interesting content. My wife has no real interest in firearms but happily sat through a few episodes because he could frankly be looking at antique screwdrivers and still be just as interesting.
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Mazz posted:Forgotten Weapons is like the perfect YouTube video series. I don’t even know that much about gun mechanics but it’s concise and interesting enough I’ve watched like 100 of them. Meanwhile I’ll try to watch so many others and so can’t get through 3 minutes. Yeah, I think I've watched almost every episode they have put up the last 3 years or so. Mainly in 6 hour marathons. Here in Greece we almost can't even own firearms lol. At the end of the day, you watch what you really want to. Different people enjoy different stuff, and while for some "unscripted" interaction or inside jokes makes their day (this is how most thematic vloggers make their money), others only want the content. Fast and without lube. And sometimes, the same person that watches said content changes preferences as time goes on..this has happened to me with a number of channels. However good your social interaction skills and engagement practices though, you cannot really beat at the end of the day properly produced and researched content. Which is a reason that channels like Kurzgesagt or NileRed or CGP Grey or Ahoy can really live on patreon, produce immaculately researched stuff and still only post a video a month or sth. Dante80 fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Mar 3, 2019 |
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Raenir Salazar posted:But this is an apples to oranges comparison, would you also criticize Mythbusters* or top gear for the presenters for visibly enjoying their work? I'm not criticizing anyone for visibly enjoying their work, what I"m criticizing is the utter lack of content in a lot of these videos. Slow Mo Guys aren't nearly the worst example, but we're talking about them so I'll pick a random video to give an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naE7fK-gCPs 7 minutes long. The first 30 seconds is basically a supercut of what's coming up. This is lifted directly from TV and makes sense if you want to encourage people to watch the rest. Still, you can skip right over it if you already want to watch the video. Next 30 seconds is them joking about how hard it is to film birds and how live animals don't do what you want them to. First slow mo bit comes in 1 min. into the video. The next minute (up to about 2:15) is them talking about how some birds flap their wings fast, some flap their wings slow. They then discuss that they took video of a humming bird and describe how they'll watch it flap its wings and count how many times it does in a second, before actually doing it. It's repetitive as hell. This could be compressed down to a tight 30 seconds, and would benefit heavily from them actually talking while the video is going. Next you have about 45 seconds of banter about how that's really fast and some jokes about how it looks unimpressive in slow mo and "oh you could flap your arms faster?" This is filler but its supposed to be comedy so whatever. I think it falls flat, but maybe I'm not the audience. Next minute they look at video of a humming bird and eagle side by side, and basically say 'they fly differently.' There's one interesting comment about how it looks like they generate lift differently. Again, this is useful but could be edited down to less than half of the length. The next minute and a half is a great example of how this poo poo can be done well. They interview a bird expert who explains how both animals generate lift and - here is the key - they cut back and forth between him talking and slow mo footage that explains what he's talking about. They're not padding it out by another minute by having him talk then show the video, then go back to talking. This is a pretty big difference between this and the earlier segments. The next minute is them talking about how birds blink. This is back to the earlier pattern where they talk then do the video then talk more and just stretch everything out. It could be a tight 20 seconds, but it's 60. After that is the usual 30 second call to action - like, subscribe, etc. It's a 7 minute video that could, with the fat trimmed out, be a really good 4 minute video. Now compare that to something like MythBusters. Sure there's filler, but in general it's a lot less. Basically it's put together more like the good minute and a half of the slowmo guys video above, where you have the jokes and commentary running alongside the poo poo they're showing. All that said, Slow Mo Guys is actually an example of a relatively high quality Youtube show. If you want the REALLY bad poo poo you have to look at the stuff that isn't even trying to just be entertainment (which is a good excuse for a lot of that filler banter) but is ostensibly just to be informative. Here's a guy explaining how to mortar a stuck, unfired cartridge out of an AR. He's basically a gun grandpa and has the charisma of a potato, but he explains it clearly in 30 seconds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNI3-VgDY20 Here's another guy explaining how to get a stuck, fired case out of an AR. He REALLY emphasizes how this is a short video. He then spends 2:30 telling you to tap it out with a cleaning rod. That's it. It's a one sentence tip that you just read in maybe half a second. Tap the fucker out with a cleaning rod. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UasowQddLng Here is another good example. This dude takes 3:30 to explain where to find the Strenght Bobblehead in Fallout 4. It's literally a thing that requires maybe a sentence and a screenshot. Two if you want both an in-game shot of the item and a map. There are other videos out there that show the exact same thing in 15 seconds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGEQ28akleM It's this stuff that I'm talking about when I say how pointlessly bloated youtube videos can be. The highly produced "TV" show stuff like Slow Mo Guys falls prey to it too, but that's minor compared to the really loving egregious poo poo you'll find if you just want to know how to properly use a case trimmer or something.
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Gotta say I am a fan of Hickok45's stuff. It's not short video content but he kinda hits that "Bob Ross, but with guns" vibe. "Hickok45 here" *Bangbangbangbang* "ha ha ha ha" *bangbangbangbang* Dude just makes it all seem pretty fun.
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That Works posted:Gotta say I am a fan of Hickok45's stuff. It's not short video content but he kinda hits that "Bob Ross, but with guns" vibe. Yeah. I'll firmly admit my hardest kneejerk happens with poo poo like that dude above taking 2:30 to tell you to tap a stuck case out with a cleaning rod.
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Cyrano4747 posted:I’m a legit fan of a ton of YouTube people. Remember every hosted, investigative documentary show on the History channel in the past 15 years? Those were typically programs that had (if they were lucky) 15 minutes of actual content. Beginning of Show Narration: "We're investigating what really happened to this German Uboat that sank two days before the end of world war two. Some of our theories include. . . " Show Host 5 seconds after Narration: "We're investigating what really happened to this German Uboat that sank two days before the end of world war two. Some of our theories include. . . " After 1st commercial break- Narrator: "We're investigating what really happened to this German Uboat that sank two days before the end of world war two. Some of our theories include. . . " Show host walking towards a dock in France: "We're investigating what really happened to this German Uboat that sank two days before the end of world war two. Some of our theories include. . . " After 2nd commercial break- Narrator: "We're investigating what really happened to this German Uboat that sank two days before the end of world war two. Some of our theories include. . . " Show host on a research ship leaving port: "We're investigating what really happened to this German Uboat that sank two days before the end of world war two. Some of our theories include. . . " After 3rd commercial break- Narrator: "We're investigating what really happened to this German Uboat that sank two days before the end of world war two. Some of our theories include. . . " Show host walking into side-scanning sonar room: "We're investigating what really happened to this German Uboat that sank two days before the end of world war two. Some of our theories include. . . " <closeup footage of the shattered Uboat, camera zooms in on host's face which has a shocked expression on it. He mutters, "oh my Go. . . " then cuts to a commercial> Show host narrates in a very excited tone: "We're investigating what really happened to this German Uboat that sank two days before the end of world war two. Some of our theories include. . . " Historian/Sonar Operator says in a matter of fact tone because everyone already knew what happened 60+ years ago: These holes indicate that the sub was depth-charged and sank.
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I mean when you figure that your average History Channel viewer is probably 75 years old and has Alzheimer's, it makes perfect sense they do things like that.
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Mortabis posted:Don't forget looping the same 20 second stock footage clip dozens of times Yeah, that's usually during the repeated narration. The worst for padding was "Tank Overhaul" where they would have to spend 1/2 the program talking about modern tanks because there was only about 30 seconds of stock footage of the actual tank they were working on moving, and watching a crew spend 30 hours trying to remove a rusted bolt or pin isn't exactly compelling television.
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Mortabis posted:Don't forget looping the same 20 second stock footage clip dozens of times My British family called it the Hitler channel.
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MrChips posted:I mean when you figure that your average History Channel viewer is probably 75 years old and has Alzheimer's, it makes perfect sense they do things like that. "Did I ever tell you about the time when I..." "YES, Grandpa..." I do miss mine, though - he died before I really got interested in history. He was in the Chemical Corps in the Pacific Theater and probably would've been able to tell me a ton about the backup plan to gas the Japanese home islands if the Trinity test fizzled.
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At one point in a history class in high school we watched their thing on Charlie Wilson and supplying stingers to the Mujahideen and the same clip of a Hind shooting rockets in what I suspect was Germany played every 3 minutes.
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Blistex posted:Remember every hosted, investigative documentary show on the History channel in the past 15 years? Those were typically programs that had (if they were lucky) 15 minutes of actual content. A BIG part of why I stopped watching the History Channel about 2002 or so. Also the fact that it became 75% Ice Road Truckers and Ancient Aliens.
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Captain Log posted:My British family called it the Hitler channel. Everyone calls it that. Mortabis posted:At one point in a history class in high school we watched their thing on Charlie Wilson and supplying stingers to the Mujahideen and the same clip of a Hind shooting rockets in what I suspect was Germany played every 3 minutes. Last time I was in China I went to a DVD store and every single war movie had the torpedo bomber from Pearl Harbor on the cover. Without fail every single one of the 40-50 DVDs I saw had it photoshopped on the cover! 
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Cyrano4747 posted:A BIG part of why I stopped watching the History Channel about 2002 or so. Also the fact that it became 75% Ice Road Truckers and Ancient Aliens. Imo TLC was the channel that fell the furthest from its original intentions. From playing James Burke’s Connections/Day the Universe changed (love those shows) to the worst reality show bullshit with the 8 is enough show or whatever.
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Ugh. I remember watching a Cosmos marathon on TLC in middle school. Just a whole Saturday of Carl Sagan and organizing my Magic cards.
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Junkyard Wars on TLC was pretty great, but unfortunately it was the beginning of the end with the reality show takeover.
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Cyrano4747 posted:A BIG part of why I stopped watching the History Channel about 2002 or so. Also the fact that it became 75% Ice Road Truckers and Ancient Aliens. History: Made Up Every Day
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