Aeronautical Insanity: switching to secondary tolerances

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Dr. Despair: Nov 4, 2009; 39 perfect posts with each roll.

fknlo posted:

N42069 is a c182. What a waste.

but it is registered to an address on Stoner Rd.

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PainterofCrap: Oct 17, 2002; hey bebe

Dr. Despair posted:

but it is registered to an address on Stoner Rd.

Found it

# ? Mar 4, 2019 05:18

StandardVC10: Feb 6, 2007; This avatar now 50% more dark mode compliant

One time I listened to an Extra EA-300 in the traffic pattern whose tail number ended in EX. It sounded like they were practicing tongue twisters every time their call sign came up.

# ? Mar 4, 2019 05:35

vessbot: Jun 17, 2005; I don't like you because you're dangerous

StandardVC10 posted:

One time I listened to an Extra EA-300 in the traffic pattern whose tail number ended in EX. It sounded like they were practicing tongue twisters every time their call sign came up.

I flew an Extra that ended in EX... rolled off my tongue fine. Many 4 digit airline flight numbers that I use these days are a lot more annoying... but nothing, I think, compares to Canadian GA planes that have all letters to say. I only heard that a few times, and oh man! Screw that.

# ? Mar 4, 2019 05:50

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

vessbot posted:

I flew an Extra that ended in EX... rolled off my tongue fine. Many 4 digit airline flight numbers that I use these days are a lot more annoying... but nothing, I think, compares to Canadian GA planes that have all letters to say. I only heard that a few times, and oh man! Screw that.

There are some that give me a fit. None specifically in our fleet, but I hate when I have to say RZR in the practice area.

Worse than that is when you have aircraft that are off by one letter, or aircraft that end with the same letters in a different order.

A nearby flight school, catering to international students primarily from China, has C-GGPP. I don�t know whether they hate us or their students more.

Exway risky mike is not my favorite either, but it�s a great example of how resilient the phonetic alphabet is to inevitable fuckups.

PT6A fucked around with this message at 07:17 on Mar 4, 2019

# ? Mar 4, 2019 07:08

Groda: Mar 17, 2005; Hair Elf

Does your dong spit fire?

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# ? Mar 4, 2019 08:35

Dr_Strangelove: Dec 16, 2003; Mein Fuhrer! THEY WON!

All that ballooning and airship talk and not one mention of this:

Monty Python's Flying Circus S04E01: The Golden Age of Ballooning

Wherein the Montgolfier Brothers are more concerned with bathing than ballooning, and a Glaswegian toughie impersonates the King of France.

# ? Mar 4, 2019 18:18

Saukkis: May 16, 2003; Unless I'm on the inside curve pointing straight at oncoming traffic the high beams stay on and I laugh at your puny protest flashes.
I am Most Important Man. Most Important Man in the World.

PT6A posted:

Worse than that is when you have aircraft that are off by one letter, or aircraft that end with the same letters in a different order.

My club has -693 and -963, LS-4 and LS-7 respectively. At least the "bigger is bigger" mnemonic is simple.

# ? Mar 4, 2019 20:10

vessbot: Jun 17, 2005; I don't like you because you're dangerous

A few pages late, I know, to the airship sequel name game, but uhm: 2BUOYANT2BEAUTIFUL

kthx

# ? Mar 4, 2019 22:00

shame on an IGA: Apr 8, 2005

Is it wrong that I'm glad bad things happen to N-1488?

https://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief.aspx?ev_id=20151107X72135

# ? Mar 4, 2019 22:28

MrChips: Jun 10, 2005; FLIGHT SAFETY TIP: Fatties out first

I had a funny airplane registration story happen to me many years ago in college. I borrowed a 172 for the day to go to an airshow with the mark C-FDAJ. By the most incredible coincidence I can imagine, C-GDAJ happens to show up at my destination at exactly the same time I was arriving, and wouldn't you know, it was also a 172 as well...caused more than a bit of confusion for the five minutes we were both airborne.

# ? Mar 4, 2019 22:33

3 Action Economist: May 22, 2002; Educate. Agitate. Liberate.

Paingod556 posted:

This was the tail of the -135 at Avalon on Sunday-

Next to B-52 0007

A billion years ago, March's area code was 714.

# ? Mar 5, 2019 02:58

Godholio: Aug 28, 2002; Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

I got to ride on a 007 once.

It was neat.

# ? Mar 5, 2019 03:09

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

MrChips posted:

I had a funny airplane registration story happen to me many years ago in college. I borrowed a 172 for the day to go to an airshow with the mark C-FDAJ. By the most incredible coincidence I can imagine, C-GDAJ happens to show up at my destination at exactly the same time I was arriving, and wouldn't you know, it was also a 172 as well...caused more than a bit of confusion for the five minutes we were both airborne.

Hey, that's the plane I did my PPL flight test in! Was that when Mount Royal still owned it? It's still around Springbank but it's currently owned by SATC, along with FWPV.

# ? Mar 5, 2019 16:39

sellouts: Apr 23, 2003

quote:

NTSB Laboratory Completes Initial Review of Cockpit Voice Recorder, Recovers Flight Data Recorder

3/5/2019
Engineers at the National Transportation Safety Board�s Office of Research and Engineering Vehicle Recorder Division completed the initial review of the Atlas Air Flight 3591 cockpit voice recorder Saturday evening and recovered the airplane�s flight data recorder Sunday.

Three people (the two pilots for the flight and a non-revenue jump-seat pilot) died when Atlas Air Flight 3591, a Boeing 767-300 cargo jet, crashed in the muddy marshland of Trinity Bay Feb. 23, 2019, about 40 miles from Houston�s George Bush Intercontinental Airport. The airplane was destroyed. The airplane was carrying cargo for Amazon.com Inc., and the US Postal Service from Miami to Houston.The condition of the accident site made locating the recorders challenging. Directors from the Office of Research and Engineering and the Office of Aviation Safety conducted an audition of the CVR as part of the NTSB�s ongoing investigation of the accident. The audition revealed the following information, which is preliminary and subject to change as the investigation continues:
The length of the recording is approximately two hours and was obtained from a download of a solid-state type cockpit voice recorder.

The recording included the final portion of the flight; however, the quality of the audio is poor.

There are times during the recording when the content of crew discussion is difficult to determine, at other times the content can be determined using advanced audio filtering.

The crew was in communication with air traffic control and were being provided radar vectors for the runway 26L approach into George Bush Intercontinental Airport.

Crew communications consistent with a loss control of the aircraft began approximately 18 seconds prior to the end of the recording.

The flight data recorder arrived at the NTSB�s Recorder Lab Sunday at 11:45 p.m. The memory module was disassembled, cleaned and dried, and download of the data was achieved Monday afternoon. Initial review of the data revealed:
The accident flight was captured, and the FDR contained a total of about 54 hours of data from 17 flights.There were approximately 350 parameters recorded by the FDR detailing the motion of the aircraft and operation of its engines, flight controls and other systems.

NTSB recorder investigators are currently verifying and validating the FDR data, and the NTSB plans to provide a summary in an investigative update in a few days

CVR will take longer apparently.

# ? Mar 6, 2019 09:28

Jealous Cow: Apr 4, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

sellouts posted:

CVR will take longer apparently.

18 seconds. Holy poo poo.

I have a bad feeling this was a malicious act by one of the three on board. Absolutely nothing at all to base that on, just a bad feeling.

# ? Mar 6, 2019 14:30

e.pilot: Nov 20, 2011; sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

FBI already exited the investigation so that�s doubtful.

# ? Mar 6, 2019 14:40

Jealous Cow: Apr 4, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

e.pilot posted:

FBI already exited the investigation so that�s doubtful.

Ahh ok. Well, not sure if that�s better or worse then.

# ? Mar 6, 2019 15:02

e.pilot: Nov 20, 2011; sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

New video of the 767 crash.

https://www.facebook.com/457548700999996/posts/2108852205869629/

Looks like they were trying to recover

# ? Mar 7, 2019 01:59

Jealous Cow: Apr 4, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

e.pilot posted:

New video of the 767 crash.

https://www.facebook.com/457548700999996/posts/2108852205869629/

Looks like they were trying to recover

Yeah that looks almost wings-level at impact.

# ? Mar 7, 2019 02:53

Captain Postal: Sep 16, 2007

Bonanza B36TC with a PT6-4121. Because why not?

Captain Postal fucked around with this message at 11:58 on Mar 7, 2019

# ? Mar 7, 2019 10:53

Ardeem: Sep 16, 2010; There is no problem that cannot be solved through sufficient application of lasers and friendship.

Captain Postal posted:

Bonanza B36TC with a PT6-41. Because why not?

How much lead is going in the tail to balance that?

# ? Mar 7, 2019 11:01

Ola: Jul 19, 2004

Captain Postal posted:

Bonanza B36TC with a PT6-41. Because why not?

For the successful surgeon that wants to die just that little bit faster than his colleagues.

# ? Mar 7, 2019 11:04

Nerobro: Nov 4, 2005; Rider now with 100% more titanium!

Ardeem posted:

How much lead is going in the tail to balance that?

First blush, I'd ask how much lead was going in the nose. The IO550 is 430lbs, and depnding on configuration, the PT6 can be as little as 300...

# ? Mar 7, 2019 11:23

evil_bunnY: Apr 2, 2003

Ardeem posted:

How much lead is going in the tail to balance that?

Turbines are also popular on aircraft because of the power/weight ratio

# ? Mar 7, 2019 13:10

e.pilot: Nov 20, 2011; sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

Missed opportunity for an even more murdery V-tail

# ? Mar 7, 2019 14:12

drunkill: Sep 25, 2007; me @ ur posting; Fallen Rib

C17 birdstrike on takeoff, in great detail

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_QZTzS5V2Y

https://i.imgur.com/fjX9bm0.mp4

https://i.imgur.com/kofGBkX.mp4

# ? Mar 7, 2019 15:06

Ola: Jul 19, 2004

drunkill posted:

C17 birdstrike on takeoff, in great detail

To be or not to be. That is <10 ms.

# ? Mar 7, 2019 18:26

bobfather: Sep 20, 2001; I will analyze your nervous system for beer money

Ola posted:

To be or not to be. That is <10 ms.

His friend/mate was right behind him. He must be so sad right now.

# ? Mar 8, 2019 16:29

vessbot: Jun 17, 2005; I don't like you because you're dangerous

Down, down the long, delirious, burning blue
I’ve topped the wind-swept heights with painful strife.
Where never SOP, or even CRM flew —
And, while with tired, failing mind I've trod
The low, defiled sanctity of airspace,
– Put out my hand, and touched the face of Hell

# ? Mar 8, 2019 17:07

Trainee PornStar: Jul 20, 2006; I'm just an inbetweener

As someone who knows nothing about this stuff.

How much damage would have happened to that engine?

# ? Mar 8, 2019 22:17

Wingnut Ninja: Jan 11, 2003; Mostly Harmless

Trainee PornStar posted:

As someone who knows nothing about this stuff.

How much damage would have happened to that engine?

I'm not an expert, but it looks almost certainly like a total loss. You can see what appear to be bits of engine flying out the back, and given that they had thrust reversers on to abort takeoff within about 3 seconds, they must have had an immediate indication that the engine failed, which suggests a catastrophic failure.

I've known engines to eat something like a sparrow and be okay after an inspection and maybe some minor repairs, but usually in those cases the engine is able to keep running. If it dies immediately that's not a good sign.

# ? Mar 8, 2019 22:47

e.pilot: Nov 20, 2011; sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

Wingnut Ninja posted:

I'm not an expert, but it looks almost certainly like a total loss. You can see what appear to be bits of engine flying out the back, and given that they had thrust reversers on to abort takeoff within about 3 seconds, they must have had an immediate indication that the engine failed, which suggests a catastrophic failure.

I've known engines to eat something like a sparrow and be okay after an inspection and maybe some minor repairs, but usually in those cases the engine is able to keep running. If it dies immediately that's not a good sign.

engine rich exhaust

# ? Mar 8, 2019 22:54