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| Joe "the liberal who fights busing" Biden |
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27 | 1.40% |
| Bernie "please don't die" Sanders |
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1017 | 52.69% |
| Cory "charter schools" Booker |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Kirsten "wall street" Gillibrand |
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24 | 1.24% |
| Kamala "truancy queen" Harris |
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59 | 3.06% |
| Julian "who?" Castro |
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7 | 0.36% |
| Tulsi "gay panic" Gabbard |
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25 | 1.30% |
| Michael "crimes crimes crimes" Avenatti |
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22 | 1.14% |
| Sherrod "discount bernie" Brown |
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21 | 1.09% |
| Amy "horrible boss" Klobuchar |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Tammy "stands for america" Duckworth |
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48 | 2.49% |
| Beto "whataburger" O'Rourke |
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32 | 1.66% |
| Elizabeth "instagram beer" Warren |
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284 | 14.72% |
| Tom "impeach please" Steyer |
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4 | 0.21% |
| Michael "soda is the devil" Bloomberg |
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9 | 0.47% |
| Joseph Stalin |
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287 | 14.87% |
| Howard "coffee republican" Schultz |
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10 | 0.52% |
Jay "nobody cares about climate change  " Inslee |
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13 | 0.67% |
| Pete "gently caress the homeless" Butt Man |
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17 | 0.88% |
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Mar 4, 2019 21:28
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Main Paineframe posted:It's related to some inter-PoC drama that's been taking off lately on Twitter. I'm not that versed in it, but as best as I can tell (please, someone, correct me on all the bits I'm horribly off-base on, because my understanding is pretty basic), the longtime friction between African-Americans and more recent African immigrants to America has erupted into a movement calling itself American Descendants of Slavery (#ADOS), which argues that African-Americans who can trace their American roots back to before the Civil War are entitled to more generous treatment than transplants who've only been here a generation or two at most. It argues that African-Americans who were brought here as slaves in the 1700s are not members of the same group as (for example) a first-generation African-American whose parents came here from Africa in the 1970s, and that the two groups should be treated differently in both rhetoric and policy, despite their similar skin color. #ADOS are reductionist, xenophobic trolls at best, Russian bots and Atl right plants at worst. Their goal is not reparations but to fracture Pan-Africanism and damage leftist initiatives. They are extremely clever with using class/race rhetoric to feed a brand of right wing populism. gohmak fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Mar 4, 2019 |
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Mar 4, 2019 21:31
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Mince Pieface posted:Interesting perspective on Elizabeth Warren from indigenous folks. I thought she was starting to do a little better, but I'm not sure now. Twila Barnes has been critiquing Warren for a while on this. Not saying her claims aren't valid, but it's also not really new. I'm going to defer to leaders of the three Cherokee nationally recognized tribes on how Warren is doing to address the criticisms made of her. From what I gather all three have said she has made strides to make amends. Also Warren made an unexpected appearance at a Native American leadership gathering a month or so back, and was very warmly received. Still though, I'll admit that her past actions from years and decades back definitely raise serious questions. Some can just come from ignorance and being influenced by the culture she was brought up as. But it still doesn't excuse it. theblackw0lf fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Mar 4, 2019 |
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Mar 4, 2019 21:34
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Gripweed posted:Harris has some pretty powerful and influential backers Jesus Christ poo poo like this would sink anyone else lol
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Mar 4, 2019 21:37
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Speaking with some black seniors at my job today I tried to persuade them to vote Bernie this time around. The consensus seemed to be Biden is their first choice but if he doesn’t run they will vote for Bernie. I take that as a good sign as it means the establishment push of Kamala Harris is not penetrating yet.
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Mar 4, 2019 21:38
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gohmak posted:Speaking with some black seniors at my job today I tried to persuade them to vote Bernie this time around. The consensus seemed to be Biden is their first choice but if he doesn’t run they will vote for Bernie. I take that as a good sign as it means the establishment push of Kamala Harris is not penetrating yet. I dunno I'm a lot more worried about Biden loving this up than Harris who seems to already be flagging.
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Mar 4, 2019 21:39
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theblackw0lf posted:Twila Barnes has been critiquing Warren for a while on this. Not saying her claims aren't valid, but it's also not really new. There's a valid argument there that you can't trust someone who ranged from ambivalent to actively hostile to native issues for decades, only to cynically try to be their friend 20-some months before the presidential election. Not that it's really relevant to the election anymore now that Bernie entering the race made Warren's numbers crater to mid single-digits where they should be
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Mar 4, 2019 21:42
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Radish posted:I dunno I'm a lot more worried about Biden loving this up than Harris who seems to already be flagging. Biden sucks rear end at campaigning and lost hard every time he tried to be president. If he actually announces the aura of Obama's cool VP will vanish as every other centrist climbs over each other to stab him in the back like the power-obsessed narcissists they are, you won't be able to turn on the TV or radio or open the internet without hearing about him praising segregationists and funding Republicans. Biden will be their chief competition at that point and it won't matter that Bernie will benefit the most by them destroying his reputation because each of them thinks that once they lock up the center for themselves, Bernie will be easy to dispatch because his base is all stoner frat boys who don't vote. It'll be like the 2016 Republican primary all over again, all the worst people knife-fighting in a ditch until the last two survivors belatedly realize it's too late to stop the insurgent.
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Mar 4, 2019 21:50
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Deified Data posted:Jesus Christ poo poo like this would sink anyone else lol They donated before they remade themselves from New York "Democrats" to America's truest and most idiotic "Republicans". Other than the idiocy of money in politics, this is pointless as hell.
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Mar 4, 2019 21:51
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VitalSigns posted:There's a valid argument there that you can't trust someone who ranged from ambivalent to actively hostile to native issues for decades, only to cynically try to be their friend 20-some months before the presidential election. Comments from native american leaders I've read would disagree with that assertion.
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Mar 4, 2019 21:52
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theblackw0lf posted:Comments from native american leaders I've read would disagree with that assertion. oh well that settles it obviously everyone else is crazy E: imagine if someone responded to an American's political argument with "well Trump, the leader of America, would disagree" like that's some kind of trump card, pardon the pun VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Mar 4, 2019 |
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Mar 4, 2019 21:56
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theblackw0lf posted:Comments from native american leaders I've read would disagree with that assertion. Just because some community leaders have a certain opinion it doesn't somehow automatically invalidate dissenting opinions within said community.
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Mar 4, 2019 22:01
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Hickenlooper's spokeswoman says that he will create a "Revenge of the Nerds" situation not realizing that the nerds in that movie were guilty of spycam voyeurism, selling hidden camera pornography, and rape.
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Mar 4, 2019 22:06
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I can't believe we have a Democrat actually running on "my whole life bullies beat me up and took my lunch money" it's just  God it's like the avatar of the post 1979 Democratic Party given human form. I wonder if he'll do a photoshoot riding a tank
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Mar 4, 2019 22:08
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Cerebral Bore posted:Just because some community leaders have a certain opinion it doesn't somehow automatically invalidate dissenting opinions within said community. It doesn't. It just means that the criticism might not be as open and shut, and requires more investigation.
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Mar 4, 2019 22:09
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VitalSigns posted:I can't believe we have a Democrat actually running on "my whole life bullies beat me up and took my lunch money" it's just "I'm going to stand up to these bullies and be ... real nice to them at which point they will be super kind back because that's what I learned watching after school specials."
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Mar 4, 2019 22:12
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Radish posted:Hickenlooper's spokeswoman says that he will create a "Revenge of the Nerds" situation not realizing that the nerds in that movie were guilty of spycam voyeurism, selling hidden camera pornography, and rape. Like what in the actual god drat gently caress
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Mar 4, 2019 22:13
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Radish posted:"I'm going to stand up to these bullies and be ... real nice to them at which point they will be super kind back because that's what I learned watching after school specials." His platform seems to be that Trump is the only bully and everything wrong with the Republican party is due to him personally being a bad and mean guy, if we can only get rid of Trump, Republicans will go back to being the polite reasonable guys they were pre 11/9/16 and we can sit down with Mitch McConnell and get fair and bipartisan compromises through like a Supreme Court nomination for Judge Merrick Garland.
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Mar 4, 2019 22:15
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Iron Twinkie posted:Like what in the actual god drat gently caress Hickenlooper is running a very serious campaign out of the gate. VitalSigns posted:His platform seems to be that Trump is the only bully and everything wrong with the Republican party is due to him personally being a bad and mean guy, if we can only get rid of Trump, Republicans will go back to being the polite reasonable guys they were pre 11/9/16 and we can sit down with Mitch McConnell and get fair and bipartisan compromises through like a Supreme Court nomination for Judge Merrick Garland. It sounds like policy wise he's on board with most of their agenda so stopping the problem ( Trump making conservatism too hard to defend since he doesn't mince words) is all he needs to do.
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Mar 4, 2019 22:20
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Mar 4, 2019 22:26
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Fitzy Fitz posted:What sparked all the reparations talk recently? I don't think I've ever heard it discussed this much before. American Descendants of Slaves was accused of being a botnet/russian spy organization by the backstabber who stole her job from Melissa-Harris Perry so four candidates immediately overcorrected, revved up their botnets, and then stole dead black people's faces to do the medicare extra for all by aetna scam but for reparations. e:Correction, only Kamala's campaign stole dead black people's faces. The others just had their forces to follow her lead. Big Hubris fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Mar 4, 2019 |
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Mar 4, 2019 22:33
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It is loving fascinating to me how quickly you become Not Black as soon as you question the right people on Twitter. These are ostensible Good People(TM) that advocate for social justice, and the minute Shaun King supports a different candidate than them he becomes 'Talcum X' like Nazis call him.
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Mar 4, 2019 22:46
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dream9!bed!! posted:It is loving fascinating to me how quickly you become Not Black as soon as you question the right people on Twitter. These are ostensible Good People(TM) that advocate for social justice, and the minute Shaun King supports a different candidate than them he becomes 'Talcum X' like Nazis call him. tbh this isn't really a fair characterization of how it happened. Shaun King has been a controversial figure in the BLM community for a long time before this, especially under accusations that he's stolen money and work from other lesser-known activists. Like I think this is less "because of his support for Bernie, he's cancelled!" and more "We'll focus in on Shaun King because he's already a controversial figure and thus ignore the valid criticisms"
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Mar 4, 2019 23:28
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Z. Autobahn posted:tbh this isn't really a fair characterization of how it happened. Shaun King has been a controversial figure in the BLM community for a long time before this, especially under accusations that he's stolen money and work from other lesser-known activists. Yeah I'm sure that's why right wingers call him Talcum X. Because of his controversial nature in the Black Lives Matter activist community.
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Mar 4, 2019 23:34
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https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/1102695420155883520?s=19 Booty judge won an award in his youth for loving Bernie Sanders the most
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Mar 4, 2019 23:36
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dream9!bed!! posted:Yeah I'm sure that's why right wingers call him Talcum X. Because of his controversial nature in the Black Lives Matter activist community. Who's talking about right-wingers?
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Mar 4, 2019 23:37
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Z. Autobahn posted:tbh this isn't really a fair characterization of how it happened. Shaun King has been a controversial figure in the BLM community for a long time before this, especially under accusations that he's stolen money and work from other lesser-known activists. It's not like he's the first black person who's been subjected to the exact same treatment, pal.
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Mar 4, 2019 23:41
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The Kingfish posted:Same as when Vox ran that hit piece on Bernie last cycle about how he doesn't support open borders. no, same as when ta-nehisi coates ran that op-ed on "why doesn't bernie support reparations if he support magical fairy dust unicorn farts like single payer and universal college" and then acted loving surprised when the clinton wing of the party used his rhetoric as a bludgeon on how bernie sucks on race back in 2015-2016 Condiv fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Mar 4, 2019 |
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Mar 4, 2019 23:45
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Why Bernie would have won in 2016, and why Hillary lost: https://twitter.com/the_bernie_bro/status/1102394907791056897 This is the truth, Hillary is all about Hillary.
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Mar 4, 2019 23:45
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The Kingfish posted:Zerlina has a powerful mind JFC, my whole body twitched just reading that tweet.
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Mar 4, 2019 23:46
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Mar 4, 2019 23:47
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VideoGameVet posted:Why Bernie would have won in 2016, and why Hillary lost: This rules Cerebral Bore posted:It's not like he's the first black person who's been subjected to the exact same treatment, pal. The claim was made that the left, especially black activists, supported Shaun King before, but were turning on him due to his support of Bernie. That's factually inaccurate; Shaun King was already widely criticized prior to this for reasons nothing to do with Bernie. Like, we're not talking about other black people. We're talking about Shaun King and how that specific claim wasn't true.
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Mar 4, 2019 23:56
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Condiv posted:no, same as when ta-nehisi coates ran that op-ed on "why doesn't bernie support reparations if he support magical fairy dust unicorn farts like single payer and universal college" and then acted loving surprised when the clinton wing of the party used his rhetoric as a bludgeon on how bernie sucks on race The Vox piece I’m referring to was a more cynical operation but was deployed in the exact same way.
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Mar 4, 2019 23:58
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Z. Autobahn posted:The claim was made that the left, especially black activists, supported Shaun King before, but were turning on him due to his support of Bernie. That's factually inaccurate; Shaun King was already widely criticized prior to this for reasons nothing to do with Bernie. I'm about 99% sure that they weren't talking about the left, but rather about donut twitter.
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Mar 5, 2019 00:04
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holy poo poo talcum x is a brutal label, it's gonna take years to brush that off his shoulder.
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Mar 5, 2019 00:51
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VideoGameVet posted:Why Bernie would have won in 2016, and why Hillary lost: Well her campaign slogan was "Stronger Together"
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Mar 5, 2019 00:59
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My opinion, as a white man, about Shaun King and his black experience or lack thereof is it sure is something, and I bet black people have had and continue to have some really interesting conversations about it. It sure is something.
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Mar 5, 2019 01:01
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Deified Data posted:Jesus Christ poo poo like this would sink anyone else lol it was in 2013 and 2014 when she was a non-candidate and Donald hadn't gone full open fash yet it's somewhere between mildly amusing and nothingburger
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Mar 5, 2019 01:06
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GreyjoyBastard posted:it was in 2013 and 2014 when she was a non-candidate and Donald hadn't gone full open fash yet You're right, didn't spot the date and yeah it's not terribly meaningful. Says more about Trump than it does Harris.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:it was in 2013 and 2014 when she was a non-candidate and Donald hadn't gone full open fash yet Wtf he was already calling Obama a Kenyan Muslim who sneaked into the belly of a white lady in Kenyatown Kenya.
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