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Tortilla Maker
Dec 13, 2005
Un Desmadre A Toda Madre
On the topic of PSFL, if I’m approaching 10 years with an eligible employer but my loans weren’t consolidated under FedLoan until 5 years in, am I only considered to have 5 years of qualifying payments?

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Chu020
Dec 19, 2005
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Depends, if they were Federal Direct loans before moving to FedLoan, then your prior payments should count. If they were other types of loans like FFEL, then payments made before they were consolidated into Federal Direct loans would not count. Hopefully you've been sending in the employment certification form each year, which means you should be able to see on your account how many qualifying payments they think you've made.

bowmore
Oct 6, 2008



Lipstick Apathy
If they start taking loans straight from your bank account people are going to starve

Ancillary Character
Jul 25, 2007
Going about life as if I were a third-tier ancillary character

Tortilla Maker posted:

On the topic of PSFL, if I’m approaching 10 years with an eligible employer but my loans weren’t consolidated under FedLoan until 5 years in, am I only considered to have 5 years of qualifying payments?

Do you mean you consolidated all of your previous student loans into a consolidation loan or do you just mean all your existing loans were moved to be serviced by FedLoan? If it's the former, then yes, a consolidation loan is considered a new loan so the clock starts ticking anew. If you just mean you submitted the employer certification, which caused all your loans to be moved over to being serviced by FedLoan, then previous payments should count provided you were on a qualifying payment plan and to a qualifying loan.

Okuteru
Nov 10, 2007

Choose this life you're on your own

bowmore posted:

If they start taking loans straight from your bank account people are going to starve

They're not paid to care

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

bowmore posted:

If they start taking loans straight from your bank account people are going to starve

It's this.

If you could trust that there was always going to be a minimum income requirement before garnishment kicks in that was always going to be enough to live on, and if you could trust that the amount garnished would always leave enough to live on, then it wouldn't be so bad.

But it's a GOP bill so the likely outcome is "you have worked 60 hours this week and your total take home is $0, in approximately 20 years your loans will be paid off".

Konstantin
Jun 20, 2005
And the Lord said, "Look, they are one people, and they have all one language; and this is only the beginning of what they will do; nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them.
On the other hand servicing companies are scum, so if this gets rid of them it might be worth it. I sure as hell don't trust the Republicans to kill them though.

buglord
Jul 31, 2010

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!

Buglord
luv 2 see my credit score drop when I pay off a student loan entirely. I kinda screwed up by paying off my oldest student loan first, but it was the one with the highest interest rate at 4.4%. The loans I got towards the end of college have a lower interest rate.I got a higher paying job which pays 50% more so I'm hoping that gives me enough cushion to put 2k into my loans per month again. Last I was able to do that, I was living with my parents but that became intolerable.

I want a new used car and to max out my IRA but these stupid loannnsssssssssss

16.1k left, I can do this.

The Slack Lagoon
Jun 17, 2008



I just want to take a second to bitch about how IBR acrively encourages people to not get married.

I'm married and we MFS for IBR reasons, but if you MFS you can't claim student loan interest

And if we MFJ the loan payments would increase by more than 5x

Kommienzuspadt
Apr 28, 2004

U like it

The Slack Lagoon posted:

I just want to take a second to bitch about how IBR acrively encourages people to not get married.

I'm married and we MFS for IBR reasons, but if you MFS you can't claim student loan interest

And if we MFJ the loan payments would increase by more than 5x

I have a couple - both MDs - who filed MFS for this reason . Their combined loan balance is over half a million dollars. gently caress this country.

19 o'clock
Sep 9, 2004

Excelsior!!!

buglord posted:

luv 2 see my credit score drop when I pay off a student loan entirely. I kinda screwed up by paying off my oldest student loan first, but it was the one with the highest interest rate at 4.4%. The loans I got towards the end of college have a lower interest rate.I got a higher paying job which pays 50% more so I'm hoping that gives me enough cushion to put 2k into my loans per month again. Last I was able to do that, I was living with my parents but that became intolerable.

I want a new used car and to max out my IRA but these stupid loannnsssssssssss

16.1k left, I can do this.

It’ll bounce back. I saw about 50 points fall off once I wiped mine out this past year. You did the right thing by paying off the more expensive money first.

Stay motivated! It sucks to forgo fun (and sometimes necessary) things for loans but it feels drat good to be done.

Dik Hz
Feb 22, 2004

Fun with Science

buglord posted:

luv 2 see my credit score drop when I pay off a student loan entirely. I kinda screwed up by paying off my oldest student loan first, but it was the one with the highest interest rate at 4.4%. The loans I got towards the end of college have a lower interest rate.I got a higher paying job which pays 50% more so I'm hoping that gives me enough cushion to put 2k into my loans per month again. Last I was able to do that, I was living with my parents but that became intolerable.

I want a new used car and to max out my IRA but these stupid loannnsssssssssss

16.1k left, I can do this.
Which credit score? Creditkarma doesn't include closed loans the score that it displays, but most other FICO scores do, to my knowledge..

buglord
Jul 31, 2010

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!

Buglord

Dik Hz posted:

Which credit score? Creditkarma doesn't include closed loans the score that it displays, but most other FICO scores do, to my knowledge..

Creditkarma actually. It dropped from 764 to 760 which is still probably good, but it still feels like a slap in the face from a banker who is upset he won’t get more interest from me.

Dik Hz
Feb 22, 2004

Fun with Science

buglord posted:

Creditkarma actually. It dropped from 764 to 760 which is still probably good, but it still feels like a slap in the face from a banker who is upset he won’t get more interest from me.
I think it's highly unlikely your FICO score actually dropped then. Also, there's no difference between a 764 and a 760.

Cacafuego
Jul 22, 2007

I consolidated all my federal loans and my current loan provider is PHEAA through myfedloan.com. I pay with an IBR, I think, and have for a few years. I now want to make a single $1500 payment in addition to my current monthly payment of ~$400. I would like to continue to make additional monthly payments above my current monthly payment of about $500.

My current payments cover the full interest cost per month and I want to ensure that any additional payments I make go toward principle, not interest. Can I do this by making payments online, or by calling in? I do see options to make additional payments, but it doesn’t say anything about it going to interest or principle. Does anyone have experience with that?

Sub Rosa
Jun 9, 2010




When you consolidated, any outstanding interest capitalized, and as your currently monthly payment is more than the monthly interest, there shouldn't be any interest to pay and anything extra will automatically go to principle.

The part that I don't know about in your case is if they would advance your due date by default when you make the extra payment, and if that is something that would or wouldn't be desirable to you.

Cacafuego
Jul 22, 2007

Sub Rosa posted:

When you consolidated, any outstanding interest capitalized, and as your currently monthly payment is more than the monthly interest, there shouldn't be any interest to pay and anything extra will automatically go to principle.

The part that I don't know about in your case is if they would advance your due date by default when you make the extra payment, and if that is something that would or wouldn't be desirable to you.

Thanks. I don’t want to advance the payment and I believe I pay through direct debit monthly. From what their website says, since I pay with direct debit, even though I make additional payments, my monthly payment should still be direct debited as normal, it won’t advance payments and the extra payments I make should pay towards principle.

I’m just hesitant to believe it until I see it happening as described.

Dik Hz
Feb 22, 2004

Fun with Science

Cacafuego posted:

Thanks. I don’t want to advance the payment and I believe I pay through direct debit monthly. From what their website says, since I pay with direct debit, even though I make additional payments, my monthly payment should still be direct debited as normal, it won’t advance payments and the extra payments I make should pay towards principle.

I’m just hesitant to believe it until I see it happening as described.
I'm through fedloan servicing and there's a box to tick when making a payment that says you want it to go to principle, rather than pushing back due dates. I'm pretty sure it defaults to pushing back the due date unless you take additional action regardless of who your servicer is. If there's no checkbox on your servicer, I'd call them directly and ask. Just being polite and trying to pay your loans on time puts you in the top 10% of customer interactions that rep will have that day.

Cacafuego
Jul 22, 2007

Dik Hz posted:

I'm through fedloan servicing and there's a box to tick when making a payment that says you want it to go to principle, rather than pushing back due dates. I'm pretty sure it defaults to pushing back the due date unless you take additional action regardless of who your servicer is. If there's no checkbox on your servicer, I'd call them directly and ask. Just being polite and trying to pay your loans on time puts you in the top 10% of customer interactions that rep will have that day.

Motherfu... where were you like 2 hours ago when I submitted $1500 in payments?

(J/k, I didn’t see any box for that and I’m pretty sure since I have direct debit that it’ll be fine)

Sub Rosa
Jun 9, 2010




Even if the due dates get pushed back, the payment is immediately applied to the principal.

E-Money
Nov 12, 2005


Got Out.
Can SOMEONE tell me something about the new Student Loan deferment for active cancer treatment? I'm eligible and nobody at fedloan knows a god drat thing.

I called over a month ago and asked for the deferment, and was told that the program is so new there aren't forms for it yet. They said they passed the info over to studentaid.edu, who would then prepare the form and send it to me so I can apply. They also said that they have no idea how long it will take for them to prepare the form. I'm currently on a general forbearance until the cancer deferment kicks in. But if it takes 6 months to get my deferment up and running, nobody can tell me if they will retroactively change my forbearance months to deferment months. So i may end up wasting a bunch of my general forbearance months. My plan is to stay on the cancer deferment for as long as I can (active treatment + 12 additional months,) then go back to the general forbearance for the rest of the allotted time. The hope is to not pay loans again before I die.

Does anybody know anything about this loving program that was supposed to be the law in like, November?

Wiggy Marie
Jan 16, 2006

Meep!
It doesn't look like it's been enacted yet. This is the information I found here: https://studentaid.ed.gov/sa/repay-loans/deferment-forbearance

quote:

The U.S. Department of Education is assessing the newly enacted law and will explain the new deferment conditions to customers on this page as soon as more details are available.

The DOE was one of the federal agencies impacted by the shutdown, so that's probably why this is still being reviewed. Unfortunately until they create a form for it I'm not sure what can be done, especially since servicers haven't received more guidance from what it sounds like.

It's not uncommon to override general forbearance time with a new deferment, but it will depend on how that form is worded (dates applied, etc.).

I'm sorry :( I hope treatment goes well.

E-Money
Nov 12, 2005


Got Out.

Wiggy Marie posted:

It doesn't look like it's been enacted yet. This is the information I found here: https://studentaid.ed.gov/sa/repay-loans/deferment-forbearance


The DOE was one of the federal agencies impacted by the shutdown, so that's probably why this is still being reviewed. Unfortunately until they create a form for it I'm not sure what can be done, especially since servicers haven't received more guidance from what it sounds like.

It's not uncommon to override general forbearance time with a new deferment, but it will depend on how that form is worded (dates applied, etc.).

I'm sorry :( I hope treatment goes well.

Yeah, that's what I found in my searches too. Thanks! I think it's probably fine, because I believe the rule is that you can extend the deferment for as long as "active cancer treatment" is happening. The one upside of an incurable cancer is that I'm always going to be getting treatment! So hopefully once I get it, I should be able to defer for essentially, forever. As long as they approve it before i exhaust my standard deferment I should be fine.

Cacafuego
Jul 22, 2007

Dik Hz posted:

I'm through fedloan servicing and there's a box to tick when making a payment that says you want it to go to principle, rather than pushing back due dates. I'm pretty sure it defaults to pushing back the due date unless you take additional action regardless of who your servicer is. If there's no checkbox on your servicer, I'd call them directly and ask. Just being polite and trying to pay your loans on time puts you in the top 10% of customer interactions that rep will have that day.

All went well. The first (non-direct debit) payment of $1000 I submitted paid the outstanding interest and the remainder went to principle and when my normal monthly payment was direct debited, it went all to principle after paying the daily interest charge that built up since I paid the $1000 chunk.

Alec Eiffel
Sep 7, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
I just did IBR in January using mine and my wife's Married Filing Jointly 2017 tax return. Can I immediately send in a new IBR request using a Married Filing Separately 2018 return? FedLoan, by the way.

Tyro
Nov 10, 2009

Alec Eiffel posted:

I just did IBR in January using mine and my wife's Married Filing Jointly 2017 tax return. Can I immediately send in a new IBR request using a Married Filing Separately 2018 return? FedLoan, by the way.

Yes. You can update your info any time your situation changes.

Leave
Feb 7, 2012

Taking the term "Koopaling" to a whole new level since 2016.
What's the difference between Direct Subsidized Loans and Direct Unsubsidized Loans? Subsidized don't have to be paid off until I'm out of school and don't accrue interest until then, right?

Ancillary Character
Jul 25, 2007
Going about life as if I were a third-tier ancillary character

Leavemywife posted:

What's the difference between Direct Subsidized Loans and Direct Unsubsidized Loans? Subsidized don't have to be paid off until I'm out of school and don't accrue interest until then, right?

You don't have to make payments on either until after you fall below half-time for more than 6 months provided you didn't use up your six-month grace period at some other point. You're right that the main difference is that Subsidized loans don't accrue interest until repayment starts and interest can be subsidized for up to 3 years under certain income-based repayment plans.

Leave
Feb 7, 2012

Taking the term "Koopaling" to a whole new level since 2016.
Thank you. I've accepted my loans and they are freaking me out, even though it's only a little over $4,000.

Omne
Jul 12, 2003

Orangedude Forever

Why does Nelnet suck so, so much?

Went to make my extra payment for the money (auto-debit for the regular amount is on the 14th, I make an extra payment on the 15th to maximize principal paydown). I have to loans with them, both about the same amount, both at 3.75%. Every month, interest paid is around $15. Last month, for example, my regular payment was for $126 - $114 to principal and $12 to interest give or take. Then my $150 extra payment went all to principal.

This month, interest accrued is $9.88 for one loan, which is higher than normal. The other loan's interest accrued is $99.07. Total interest accrued is $108.95. What the hell are they doing

Bluedeanie
Jul 20, 2008

It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?



To avoid wage garnishment and to start trying to get out of default, my girlfriend is filling out a USDE Financial Disclosure Statement, where you itemize your expenses and income and make a case for a more affordable monthly payment.

The form includes a section for "spouse" and "other household member with income."

We are not legally married but live together. I own a home but it is just me on the title and the mortgage so I imagine legally speaking I am her "landlord." We split the mortgage, utilities, groceries and other common household expenses. On things like car payments/maintenance expenses, student loans, credit debt, work related expenses and other such things we each pay our own way.

What is the best/correct way to fill out this form? Should we omit my information, or also include my income info AND things like my car payments/personal credit etc that she is not technically responsible for? I do not want to torpedo her chances here by including my income if it doesn't have to be, but I also do not want to falsify a federal form.

Kawasaki Nun
Jul 16, 2001

by Reene

Bluedeanie posted:

To avoid wage garnishment and to start trying to get out of default, my girlfriend is filling out a USDE Financial Disclosure Statement, where you itemize your expenses and income and make a case for a more affordable monthly payment.

The form includes a section for "spouse" and "other household member with income."

We are not legally married but live together. I own a home but it is just me on the title and the mortgage so I imagine legally speaking I am her "landlord." We split the mortgage, utilities, groceries and other common household expenses. On things like car payments/maintenance expenses, student loans, credit debt, work related expenses and other such things we each pay our own way.

What is the best/correct way to fill out this form? Should we omit my information, or also include my income info AND things like my car payments/personal credit etc that she is not technically responsible for? I do not want to torpedo her chances here by including my income if it doesn't have to be, but I also do not want to falsify a federal form.

I believe a "member of household" is a dependant. You should probably look to see if their is any additional guidance on the website about just what relationships fall where. I am not a lawyer.

Raimondo
Apr 29, 2010
For IBR calculations, does it only figure it after all your pre-tax items get deducted? (health insurance, 401k, etc...)

I'm trying to figure out if it would be better to max 401k in order to drive down my monthly payment since since my wife qualifies for PSLF (2nd year re certified).

Tyro
Nov 10, 2009

Raimondo posted:

For IBR calculations, does it only figure it after all your pre-tax items get deducted? (health insurance, 401k, etc...)

I'm trying to figure out if it would be better to max 401k in order to drive down my monthly payment since since my wife qualifies for PSLF (2nd year re certified).

Based on MAGI, which is modified AGI. Yes 401k contributions reduce your payment amount.

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

Sirotan is a seal.


Raimondo posted:

For IBR calculations, does it only figure it after all your pre-tax items get deducted? (health insurance, 401k, etc...)

I'm trying to figure out if it would be better to max 401k in order to drive down my monthly payment since since my wife qualifies for PSLF (2nd year re certified).

Max it out and then some. You only need one paystub to prove your income for the IBR payment. Change your deduction afterward if needed. Repeat yearly.

Omne
Jul 12, 2003

Orangedude Forever



What the christ Nelnet....

I called and they said my auto-debit wasn't actually paying interest on one of my two loan lines (I have one Group, with two loan lines in it...I cannot split payments between the loan lines within that group), so interest just accrued and accrued until finally they decided to allocate some of my extra payment to it. What the gently caress? How does that even happen?

spwrozek
Sep 4, 2006

Sail when it's windy

All the servicers are garbage and the have incentive to gently caress you to make more money. Definitely one of the worse things that happened during the Obama presidency. Of course Trump and his appointees have taken it to a whole new level.

Wiggy Marie
Jan 16, 2006

Meep!

Omne posted:



What the christ Nelnet....

I called and they said my auto-debit wasn't actually paying interest on one of my two loan lines (I have one Group, with two loan lines in it...I cannot split payments between the loan lines within that group), so interest just accrued and accrued until finally they decided to allocate some of my extra payment to it. What the gently caress? How does that even happen?

:psyduck: I have never heard of this. These are federal loans, right? All of my training, which granted is over ten years ago now, said that interest is always paid first regardless. Always. No matter what. Is this common in other servicers? Have others seen this?

You might call and ask about having your payments reapplied to cover interest first, but I can't understand why they're not already doing that.

Omne
Jul 12, 2003

Orangedude Forever

Wiggy Marie posted:

:psyduck: I have never heard of this. These are federal loans, right? All of my training, which granted is over ten years ago now, said that interest is always paid first regardless. Always. No matter what. Is this common in other servicers? Have others seen this?

You might call and ask about having your payments reapplied to cover interest first, but I can't understand why they're not already doing that.

Yeah I had never seen or heard of it either, and the lady on the phone didn't exactly instill confidence with her answers. I had them set up special instructions so that my auto-debit always goes towards interest first, then principal spread in proper proportion, and then my extra payment to go towards the higher balance loan. I'm waiting to see how they manage to screw that up as well.

This is my third loan provider; with the first two (MyCampusLoan.com and FedLoan), I never, ever had issues like this.

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Dik Hz
Feb 22, 2004

Fun with Science

spwrozek posted:

All the servicers are garbage and the have incentive to gently caress you to make more money. Definitely one of the worse things that happened during the Obama presidency. Of course Trump and his appointees have taken it to a whole new level.
The way servicers acted in the Obama years is lightyears ahead of what came before it.

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