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How hilarious/amazing would it be if nationalized pharamcare came out of another lib scandal. If something good could come out of another government just being "JOBS JOBS JOBS" that would be pretty cool.
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zapplez posted:How hilarious/amazing would it be if nationalized pharamcare came out of another lib scandal. Next up: nationalize the telecom industry 
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Mar 6, 2019 02:20
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Furnaceface posted:I know Im biased because I work in a pharmacy but holy poo poo yes I will take a national pharmacare program just because the Liberals are trying to distract us. It's six months before an election, on an issue of provincial jurisdiction. The Liberals aren't going to be able to announce anything substantial or concrete. They'd need to negotiate ten separate agreements (including with provinces that already have their own partial public coverage), and that's just not happening before September, even if they do include aspirational funding in the budget in a few weeks.
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Mar 6, 2019 02:21
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Pinterest Mom posted:It's six months before an election, on an issue of provincial jurisdiction. The Liberals aren't going to be able to announce anything substantial or concrete. They'd need to negotiate ten separate agreements (including with provinces that already have their own partial public coverage), and that's just not happening before September, even if they do include aspirational funding in the budget in a few weeks. Make it a system the provinces have to opt-in to for free drug money because Ford, Moe, Pallister, Legualt and Kenny will opt out to own the libs and it really won't end up costing anything anyways.
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Mar 6, 2019 02:25
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Pinterest Mom posted:It's six months before an election, on an issue of provincial jurisdiction. The Liberals aren't going to be able to announce anything substantial or concrete. They'd need to negotiate ten separate agreements (including with provinces that already have their own partial public coverage), and that's just not happening before September, even if they do include aspirational funding in the budget in a few weeks. We'll fund a full pharmacare study in 5 jurisdictions nationwide that happen to align with thinly held ridings.
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Mar 6, 2019 02:33
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I enjoy having to consult with my doctor every year to confirm that yes, I still need insulin for the disease with which I will die, because the pharmacist is too much of a loving tool to accept one iota of liability and my insurer is a profit seeking corporation.
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Mar 6, 2019 04:03
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cowofwar posted:I enjoy having to consult with my doctor every year to confirm that yes, I still need insulin for the disease with which I will die, because the pharmacist is too much of a loving tool to accept one iota of liability and my insurer is a profit seeking corporation. Same but every couple months and I don't have a doctor so I have to take the morning off work to wait in line at the clinic before it opens so I can be told to come back in 4 hours to see the doctor for 5 min while the scribble a note that I'm allowed to keep having my drugs. But the government is helping our doctor shortage by encouraging seeing a doctor via webcam. Oops they can't prescribe poo poo though because they don't want to accept one iota for liability.
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Mar 6, 2019 04:12
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Pinterest Mom posted:https://twitter.com/PnPCBC/status/1103062251727175682 Speaking of contemptible people, Sheila Copps is apparently still alive and was on As It Happens this evening with her hot takes on JWR: "I wonder if her response would have been different if it was 9,000 indigenous jobs at stake?"  I'd forgotten how much I hate that woman.
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Mar 6, 2019 04:30
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infernal machines posted:No, she's right, do we believe that job creation, or simply being an employer trumps the supremacy of the rule of law? This is definitely something we should figure out since the topic has been broached, because it's pretty loving fundamental. I don't even know how it will end because the justice system has found a way to gently caress poo poo up so often these days. IIRC, the "best" that managed to be done to one of the guy responsible for some of the crook action was to assign him at home because sending him to jail would of been too much somehow... In a better world, the corporation would not need to be torpedo'd or dismantled like it probably will because we would be able to punish those who were in charge but that's not happening so the only way to hit them is to sacrifice the whole ship. Also, did we ever get the reason why a deal was not done? The law was voted in so making one is definitely not illegal or anything but there has to be a reason why the possibility was denied.
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Mar 6, 2019 04:36
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Presumably the Crown had already decided how they intended to proceed and someone didn't appreciate the PMO dropping in and telling them to reconsider.
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Mar 6, 2019 04:46
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zapplez posted:Can't wait for the LPC / NDP federal coalition government. Even if this weren't a pipe dream, those are CPC majority numbers.
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Mar 6, 2019 05:14
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vyelkin posted:Even if this weren't a pipe dream, those are CPC majority numbers. It's a long way to go to the election, and Scheer doesn't look or sound like a closer. Also his voting history is going to make it easy for the Liberals to fear monger.
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Mar 6, 2019 05:40
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It's Scheer's election to lose at this point, but I think he might be up to the challenge.
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Mar 6, 2019 05:54
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Entropic posted:It's Scheer's election to lose at this point, but I think he might be up to the challenge. Is he planning on hiring Hudak to run his campaign?
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Mar 6, 2019 06:01
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Rumours are that Trudeau will hold a press conference tomorrow morning announcing that thanks to deferred prosecution, SNC-Lavalin have won the contract to dig an even deeper hole.
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Mar 6, 2019 06:10
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Furnaceface posted:Is he planning on hiring Hudak to run his campaign? Probably nothing will ever beat "vote for me to lose your job" but I'm sure they'll do their best
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Mar 6, 2019 06:10
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6 months away from an election, and the competition is Scheer and Jagmeet. These numbers are not particularly important. The question will be - do you really think the Liberals are going to lose Atlantic and Quebec? I see the minority government scenarios (either way, though less likely that it goes to the cons) but I don’t think there’s a path for a Con majority anymore. Especially with Bernier potentially eating into Con support in Quebec.
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Mar 6, 2019 06:12
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It's really worth remembering that the last Conservative majority, they got 5 seats in Quebec. We used to think some fragile alliance between Quebec conservatives and the rest of the country was necessary for the Cons to win but that's demonstrably not true anymore. Winning the West and Suburban Ontario would be enough for at least a Conservative minority.
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Mar 6, 2019 06:17
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Call them the Prairies, not the West.  The populated areas of BC don't deserve to be lumped in with them.
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Mar 6, 2019 07:14
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less than three posted:Call them the Prairies, not the West. In 2011 the Cons won 21/36 seats in BC, so they definitely deserve it
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Mar 6, 2019 13:32
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vyelkin posted:In 2011 the Cons won 21/36 seats in BC, so they definitely deserve it He said “populated” parts of BC. BC deserves other things though.
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Mar 6, 2019 15:20
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Jordan7hm posted:6 months away from an election, and the competition is Scheer and Jagmeet. These numbers are not particularly important. I think that standing up for SNC-L and bribery will be a boon to the libs in Quebec. Bribery of public officials is a distinct part of their society.
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Mar 6, 2019 15:21
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quote:OTTAWA -- A federally struck expert panel says the government should create a new agency to oversee rolling out a national pharmacare program. lolllll
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Mar 6, 2019 15:48
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TWSS posted:I think that standing up for SNC-L and bribery will be a boon to the libs in Quebec. Bribery of public officials is a distinct part of their society. Clearly is in Ontario too considering we are voting in Ottawa to hire SNC AGAIN for the next phase of rail after the giant loving boondoggle that is the current lrt project. Honestly gently caress this country god
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Mar 6, 2019 15:53
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Pinterest Mom posted:lolllll I really want to see the Big Book 'o Good Policy the Liberals hold in reserve come major scandals and close elections. Ron Paul Atreides posted:Clearly is in Ontario too considering we are voting in Ottawa to hire SNC AGAIN for the next phase of rail after the giant loving boondoggle that is the current lrt project. SNC is clearly the only company we know of to operate rail infrastructure. And lord knows nothing can be built and run without a P3. Unless it's the UPExpress, which was such a money sink that even SNC loving Lavalin backed out. infernal machines fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Mar 6, 2019 |
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Mar 6, 2019 15:54
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Pinterest Mom posted:lolllll So how does Liberal policy work? Committee -> Agency -> Inquiry -> Panel -> Policy 
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Mar 6, 2019 16:31
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I don't get this whole 'saving jobs' thing. Surely, if one company goes out of business for non-commercial reasons, the volume of work in that sector will still stay roughly the same and the workers and engineers out of a job will be hired by other companies that need to grow to meet demand?
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Mar 6, 2019 16:33
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For license to break the law just get big enough that you employ thousands of people. It's very simple.
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Mar 6, 2019 16:36
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Health Services posted:I don't get this whole 'saving jobs' thing. Surely, if one company goes out of business for non-commercial reasons, the volume of work in that sector will still stay roughly the same and the workers and engineers out of a job will be hired by other companies that need to grow to meet demand? the lucrative market for building libyan torture prisons is global in scale so those valuable jobs might not come from canada
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Mar 6, 2019 16:37
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Health Services posted:I don't get this whole 'saving jobs' thing. Surely, if one company goes out of business for non-commercial reasons, the volume of work in that sector will still stay roughly the same and the workers and engineers out of a job will be hired by other companies that need to grow to meet demand? I guess, if you actually believed in the ideal market but no one is really that naive. Practically speaking there's lots of reasons why competitors, if they exist on the same scale, won't be positioned to take advantage of the new market opportunities using the existing labour pool. vyelkin posted:the lucrative market for building libyan torture prisons is global in scale so those valuable jobs might not come from canada Precisely
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Mar 6, 2019 16:37
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Health Services posted:I don't get this whole 'saving jobs' thing. Surely, if one company goes out of business for non-commercial reasons, the volume of work in that sector will still stay roughly the same and the workers and engineers out of a job will be hired by other companies that need to grow to meet demand? When an industry is somewhat anchored to a location, this usually holds true but engineering isn't really anchored. You can have the plans for your prison/reactor/bridge/rail line drawn in Germany even if the thing will be built in Libya/China/Quebec/Ontario. On the flip side, a pool of available engineer could push another firm to open an office there but there is no way it would recoup all the jobs.
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Mar 6, 2019 16:54
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ocrumsprug posted:He said “populated” parts of BC. Another reminder that anything east of Spuzzum is beyond Hope.
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Mar 6, 2019 16:59
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Risky Bisquick posted:So how does Liberal policy work? Committee -> Agency -> Inquiry -> Panel -> Policy Well look, it's simple, they've received an interim report ahead of receiving an actual report, and in the meantime, they'll think about the recommendations. There's a budget coming up in two weeks, so they'll announce something like 5-10 million to set up the agency at that time. Then, a few months later, they'll receive the final report, in something like May/June. And in July or August they get to announce that it'll be part of their electoral platform. So, combined with the announcement of the commission/report in the first place, they get to milk five announcements out of nothing.
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Mar 6, 2019 17:00
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TWSS posted:I think that standing up for SNC-L and bribery will be a boon to the libs in Quebec. Bribery of public officials is a distinct part of their society. No, the grits dropping the ball and totally failing to protect SNC Lavallin will lose them the Quebec vote, just line buying the pipeline will lose them BC votes and failing to build it will reaffirm the prairies decision never to vote for a Trudeau. It's easy to get elected on promises of weed and proportional reform, it's harder to actually follow thorough.
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Mar 6, 2019 17:06
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Risky Bisquick posted:So how does Liberal policy work? Committee -> Agency -> Inquiry -> Panel -> Policy Yes, just replace your arrows with "scandal" which is the only thing that moves the process along.
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Mar 6, 2019 18:01
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Following through in your electoral promises is actually extremely easy when you have a large majority government
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Mar 6, 2019 18:03
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Hexigrammus posted:Another reminder that anything east of Spuzzum is beyond Hope. Hahaha, yesss Fraser Canyon geography jokes
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Mar 6, 2019 18:11
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A Typical Goon posted:Following through in your electoral promises is actually extremely easy when you have a large majority government Look at this guy thinking that handily winning an election after explicitly campaigning on the idea that you will do a specific thing is enough of a mandate to do that thing
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Mar 6, 2019 18:12
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A Typical Goon posted:Following through in your electoral promises is actually extremely easy when you have a large majority government Yah but what if you only said those to get elected and cannot fathom having to do anything that might upset the status quo
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A Typical Goon posted:Following through in your electoral promises is actually extremely easy when you have a large majority government Following through with electoral promises with a large majority government is extremely easy, unless you're the Liberal Party of Canada.
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