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:o Hamill as Vecna would be outstanding. Hamill playing a bit part on Critical Role tho...
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What's interesting to me is reading that Travis and Sam both went out to a bunch of pitch meetings, and that Titmouse had been trying to do a D&D cartoon for ages. Although one imagines a lot of what they heard was 'we have something like it already in development, which was most likely not true.
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thespaceinvader posted::o I imagine Vecna would be similar to Fire Lord in Last Airbender (also voiced by Hamill)? Kind of a bit part, but always in the background, plotting, scheming, etc. e: yeah according to IMDB he was only in 11 episodes of Avatar.
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Mar 5, 2019 16:48
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I wonder how much people watching the cartoon might think it's a ripoff of Adventure Time.
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Dawgstar posted:What's interesting to me is reading that Travis and Sam both went out to a bunch of pitch meetings, and that Titmouse had been trying to do a D&D cartoon for ages. Although one imagines a lot of what they heard was 'we have something like it already in development, which was most likely not true. I got the impression there was interest, but the investors wanted more control than the crew was willing to give. They don't outright say so, but it's sorta implied. The cast wants the show to be R rated, which is probably a hard sell. Especially given how awful the movies were.
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Mar 5, 2019 17:24
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It has to be TV-MA... I don't want them to have to cut Scanlan's Scrying Poo scenes, those are really important to his character development, and also poop.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I wonder how much people watching the cartoon might think it's a ripoff of Adventure Time. I'd be shocked if it even remotely resembles Adventure Time. Finster Dexter posted:It has to be TV-MA... I don't want them to have to cut Scanlan's Scrying Poo scenes, those are really important to his character development, and also poop. If it actualyl comes out on TV, sure, but I'm assuming it'll be a web series of some sort. But yeah, it needs to have a hard R. They swear a lot, gently caress a lot, and chop things into mincemeat a lot.
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Mar 5, 2019 19:23
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In their Q&A they specified that it was going to be oriented "for adults", though they didn't specifically say R rating. But Matt stressed it was going to be a "do your homework before letting your kids watch" sort of deal.
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Desiden posted:In their Q&A they specified that it was going to be oriented "for adults", though they didn't specifically say R rating. But Matt stressed it was going to be a "do your homework before letting your kids watch" sort of deal. I'd think it's on the level of Disenchantment at least.
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Grog rips a creatures head in half in the little teaser intro they did. It's not super graphic, but it's definitely noticable.
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Mar 5, 2019 22:18
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There's a decent amount of blood too, but it's purple so it's presumably accounted to be less graphic or whatever. Thinking about it, I wonder why Vecna would even be in it, he's not reevealed to be the ultimate villain til at least halfway through the youtube campaign, and this is before that. Looking at the title crawl cinematic, I'd be surprised if this isn't the period of the show leading up to the first character death of Pike, killed by the Glabrezu at the end. And it's interesting that they seem to have quietly but completely written out Tiberius.
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thespaceinvader posted:There's a decent amount of blood too, but it's purple so it's presumably accounted to be less graphic or whatever. The “Hamill for Vecna” thing got tossed out by chat in a Q&A stream when they were talking about dream VOs to get into the project. I’d be kind of surprised if Vecna was in it at all—they’ve confirmed the animated show(s) will be an entirely new adventure, set after they killed the Glabrezu and saved the Tal’dorei family. Basically it’s a new adventure set during a downtime gap they had after that, and just before they started streaming the first campaign. Besides, it’s clear that Hamill should voice Trinket, the bear.
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thespaceinvader posted:And it's interesting that they seem to have quietly but completely written out Tiberius. So he's no longer part of the show and the parting was not exactly amicable as a result. Complicating ever referencing/using the character again is that his player, Orion Acaba, has admitted to domestic violence and been accused of sexual assault. By my friend's metric, because CR and Mercer were responsible for Acaba leaving because he was a problem, they don't want to include any hint of him to begin with because they already don't like addressing the whole thing and are trying to keep the severance polite.
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thespaceinvader posted:And it's interesting that they seem to have quietly but completely written out Tiberius. To be fair its dnd tradition to quietly pretend abusers were never there.
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Hostile V posted:According to a friend who's way more in the know, Tiberius' player was a rules-lawyering dick who kept trying to put real-world physics in the game and do the typical "shotgun wizard ruins everything" maneuever as a sorcerer. At one point he tried to build a death ray out of mirrors and light sources. He left the party and the show when his metagaming set up a device where an old woman was killed in public on the street as a result. Clashing with the tone of the show and with the party resulted in him leaving and more or less trying to insist things that happened off-screen were canon, namely sex with a NPC. Mercer's response was more or less "none of this is canon, go away". Also the player tried to start his own series with Tiberius as the focus called Draconian Knights and had art commissioned of things he insisted were canon, namely sex with aforementioned NPC. Yikes, never knew the abuse part. Always thought it was because he was a drug addict and huge rear end in a top hat (and also he would fudge his rolls constantly which I realize is not nearly as sinister as the rest but y'know).
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He was/is apparently really erratic, and at one point went on a big rant accusing the CR team of kicking him due to anti-semitism and bias against his HIV positive status. He's also periodically posted big apologies and blamed his behavior on substance abuse problems and medical issues (he also had cancer at one point). I know there's been other stuff, his whole Tiberius fanfic radio drama thing got kickstartered and then petered out, and there was some weird poo poo about running a charity stream for someone without asking her permission and then maybe not giving her the money? Its all weird and convoluted and scummy, so I can understand why they don't want him involved in any fashion.
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Looks like there was some valid discontent on twitter about the success of the Critical Role kickstarter feeding back into what's already the most successful and pervasive tabletop RPG, so the writer for the campaign setting, James Haeck, started a twitter thread and promoted a hashtag for people to support diverse/indie games: https://twitter.com/jamesjhaeck/status/1102946733074472960 Matt Mercer retweeted it for promotion and stuff, too.
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Nuns with Guns posted:Looks like there was some valid discontent on twitter about the success of the Critical Role kickstarter feeding back into what's already the most successful and pervasive tabletop RPG, so the writer for the campaign setting, James Haeck, started a twitter thread and promoted a hashtag for people to support diverse/indie games: "link in comments" is a terrible way to promote things.
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slap me and kiss me posted:"link in comments" is a terrible way to promote things. It is, yeah, especially for a group that's been seriously lagging when responding to requests for more diversity in their AP group and whom they support. He does link a few minority creators in subsequent tweets on the thread at least some of whom were openly talking about what bothered them about the success of the kickstarter the past few days.
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Yeah, in the last couple of episodes with Acaba you can see how sick of him the other players are. There's the whole thing where he tried to solve the game problem by writing his father and asking for an army (and Matt as his dad wrote back 'you're a kid and don't know what you're doing') and then taking for ages on a shopping trip that was just focused on himself. At one point Laura-not-quite-as-Vex starts snarking on him and Travis just looks like he's grinding his teeth. Also Acaba kept 'conveniently' forgetting how his magic items worked in his favor. He's every bad player I've ever known, sometimes two at once.
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The thing about the Critical Role Kickstarter doing so well is that most of the discourse isn't even about CR. It's about the fact that they got overfunded to such a degree right after a bunch of lesser known creators were being put under a microscope over proposing minimum standards for pricing and compensation. If the tabletop community hadn't just gotten done talking about how expecting money for your work is unrealistic a bunch of nerds putting $100+ into Critical Role wouldn't have even been a thing imo.
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Nuns with Guns posted:Looks like there was some valid discontent on twitter about the success of the Critical Role kickstarter feeding back into what's already the most successful and pervasive tabletop RPG, so the writer for the campaign setting, James Haeck, started a twitter thread and promoted a hashtag for people to support diverse/indie games: I like how he didn't even try to exclude D&D content.
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King of Solomon posted:I like how he didn't even try to exclude D&D content.
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Elephant Parade posted:I mean, indie D&D modules are a thing. I'm not sure why he'd want to exclude them. Nuns with Guns posted:discontent on twitter about the success of the Critical Role kickstarter feeding back into what's already the most successful and pervasive tabletop RPG This is why.
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King of Solomon posted:This is why.
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If you’re on twitter, check out #FundDiverseGames, it’s a real hashtag and I think a legitimately important one for the industry. There’s a lot of underrepresented and marginalized designers on there and they’re making good stuff that is worth checking out.
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Elephant Parade posted:Fair enough, I guess, but I'd rather not exclude indie creators just because they've chosen the largest possible marketplace to sell their wares in Nine times out of ten, I'm with you all the way. I just think that, given the context of the backlash specifically relating to the fact that it's D&D, maybe they should be trying to draw attention to games and modules that have nothing to do with D&D?
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Mr. Humalong posted:Yikes, never knew the abuse part. Always thought it was because he was a drug addict and huge rear end in a top hat (and also he would fudge his rolls constantly which I realize is not nearly as sinister as the rest but y'know). Yeah, I never knew that bit either. It's a shame, because I think Tibs was a fun (and at times highly entertaining) character, it's just a shame he was played by a jerk.
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Razorwired posted:The thing about the Critical Role Kickstarter doing so well is that most of the discourse isn't even about CR. It's about the fact that they got overfunded to such a degree right after a bunch of lesser known creators were being put under a microscope over proposing minimum standards for pricing and compensation. Well, I would think part of it is they have provided hundreds of hours of free high quality entertainment and some people will back this for that reason alone, as a way to give something back.
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thespaceinvader posted:Yeah, I never knew that bit either. Somebody put it best in the Actual Play thread that Orion was the table's Cat Piss Man and they eventually got smart and booted him.
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I think the folks who are salty about the success of the kickstarter need to keep in mind that probably a majority of the fanbase doesn’t play RPGs. Undoubtedly tons of people have tried D&D because of it, but the show has a much broader fanbase than just RPG geeks. I know in my own experience, even as someone who plays and loves D&D, I wouldn’t have checked it out if I didn’t already love Laura Bailey, Matt Mercer, Liam O’Brien, Sam Riegel, Travis Willingham, and Ashley Johnson as voice actors (Taliesin Jaffe and Marisha Rey are amazing and wonderful, but I didn’t know their work prior to CR). There’s a huge market, especially of anime and video game fans, who have no relation to typical RPG consumers, that CR is drawing on here.
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It's probably better to compare it to the success of other nerd-adjacent TV and movie kickstarter projects, like Bring Back MST3K and the Veronica Mars movie, which pulled similar numbers, though admittedly not as fast.
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I mean, I don't really see CR's success and small tabletop producers struggling to pay a good wage as particularly cognitively dissonant. CR's gotten 36,000+ people to buy into their product. Monte Cook has a devoted following and has demonstrated that following is not as sensitive to price point as the market as a whole. They're well known and established products. Many other RPGs are...not. Which sucks for the creators of those RPGs, but isn't particularly different from a new fiction writer or comic book artist struggling to develop a following. Capitalism sucks in general, but its not unusually worse in this instance than in other forms of entertainment.
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Desiden posted:I mean, I don't really see CR's success and small tabletop producers struggling to pay a good wage as particularly cognitively dissonant. CR's gotten 36,000+ people to buy into their product. Monte Cook has a devoted following and has demonstrated that following is not as sensitive to price point as the market as a whole. They're well known and established products. Many other RPGs are...not. Which sucks for the creators of those RPGs, but isn't particularly different from a new fiction writer or comic book artist struggling to develop a following. Capitalism sucks in general, but its not unusually worse in this instance than in other forms of entertainment. I mean, the issue isn't one of struggle to get a following, it's an issue of struggling to get people to not blanch at paying a fair wage for work. The crux of the issue doesn't seem to be "Critical Role is more popular than I am and that's unfair," it's that CR made four million+ dollars in a day like a week after a bunch of folks were being lectured by nerds as to why asking for the princely sum of ten cents a word was too demanding. It shows that actually the money to pay people reasonable amounts of money for their work in the tabletop and tabletop-adjacent spheres exists after all, which suggests that the people hemming and hawing at writers and designers being paid more than a few cents a word are actually just cheapskates instead of savvy economists.
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Kai Tave posted:I mean, the issue isn't one of struggle to get a following, it's an issue of struggling to get people to not blanch at paying a fair wage for work. The crux of the issue doesn't seem to be "Critical Role is more popular than I am and that's unfair," it's that CR made four million+ dollars in a day like a week after a bunch of folks were being lectured by nerds as to why asking for the princely sum of ten cents a word was too demanding. It shows that actually the money to pay people reasonable amounts of money for their work in the tabletop and tabletop-adjacent spheres exists after all, which suggests that the people hemming and hawing at writers and designers being paid more than a few cents a word are actually just cheapskates instead of savvy economists. A good take
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Customers pay for value, not labour, and the value of a passive piece of entertainment is much more strongly guaranteed than that of a social one.
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hyphz posted:Customers pay for value, not labour, and the value of a passive piece of entertainment is much more strongly guaranteed than that of a social one. it's almost like there's a concept in economics describing how the price of a good should be set as a function of the labour that went into it???
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hyphz posted:Customers pay for value, not labour, and the value of a passive piece of entertainment is much more strongly guaranteed than that of a social one. Hey look and now it's happening like clockwork all over again, who could have guessed.
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