UKMT March 2019 - we live in a hell world of piss and shit.

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OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

TheRat posted:

Progress

E: JVL are "the wrong kind of jews"

I thought LFI were the progress wing?

# ? Mar 6, 2019 13:32

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# ? Jun 11, 2024 12:14

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

JLM is Jewish Labour Movement, which is open to anyone. They're more centrist and less Jewish* than JVL, the Corbyn supporting one.

*by percentage of membership

^^ LFI are the explicitly pro-Israel as in the actions of the Israeli government one, they're the 'terrifying Blairite bloodlust' wing.

# ? Mar 6, 2019 13:32

TheRat: Aug 30, 2006

OwlFancier posted:

I thought LFI were the progress wing?

They're not literally Progress, they're just the same politically.

# ? Mar 6, 2019 13:32

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

After complaints that the US ambassador wasn't challenged on his stats yesterday the BBC tweeted this. The article in the link was posted yesterday :ughh:

https://twitter.com/BBCRealityCheck/status/1103258274248445953

# ? Mar 6, 2019 13:35

bump_fn: Apr 12, 2004; _{two of them}

jewish lives matter

# ? Mar 6, 2019 13:37

Still B.A.E: Mar 24, 2012

coffeetable posted:

Where are you getting these from?

# ? Mar 6, 2019 13:37

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

TheRat posted:

They're not literally Progress, they're just the same politically.

I know I mean I thought that was LFI's schtick?

Guavanaut posted:

^^ LFI are the explicitly pro-Israel as in the actions of the Israeli government one, they're the 'terrifying Blairite bloodlust' wing.

Are JLM not pro israel then?

# ? Mar 6, 2019 13:38

TheRat: Aug 30, 2006

OwlFancier posted:

I know I mean I thought that was LFI's schtick?

LFI is a lot more rightwing than Progress imo

# ? Mar 6, 2019 13:39

TheRat: Aug 30, 2006

Like, I doubt you'd get insanity like this from JLM

# ? Mar 6, 2019 13:41

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

TheRat posted:

LFI is a lot more rightwing than Progress imo

My understanding was the LFI was the single issue pro israel lot, but JLM were the general lovely labour right lot.

But as the lovely labour right are, as far as I'm aware, invariably pro israel/interventionism, and vice versa, it's a bit of a weird overlap?

# ? Mar 6, 2019 13:42

ThomasPaine: Feb 4, 2009; We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Jose posted:

After complaints that the US ambassador wasn't challenged on his stats yesterday the BBC tweeted this. The article in the link was posted yesterday

https://twitter.com/BBCRealityCheck/status/1103258274248445953

Those ~realitycheck~ articles always piss me off even when they're pretty innocuous and I can't quite articulate why.

# ? Mar 6, 2019 13:43

TheRat: Aug 30, 2006

OwlFancier posted:

My understanding was the LFI was the single issue pro israel lot, but JLM were the general lovely labour right lot.

But as the lovely labour right are, as far as I'm aware, invariably pro israel, and vice versa, it's a bit of a weird overlap?

I'd say JLM are "right wing but fairly sensible" while LFI are "complete loving nutters"

# ? Mar 6, 2019 13:43

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

OwlFancier posted:

Are JLM not pro israel then?

JLM: Israel has the right to exist.
LFI: Israel has the right to murder children flying terror kites.
_{JVL: Jewish people have the right to a place in the Labour movement.}

# ? Mar 6, 2019 13:47

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Guavanaut posted:

JLM: Israel has the right to exist.
LFI: Israel has the right to murder children flying terror kites.

I guess I have trouble seeing daylight between those two given that the latter results from the former, other than willingless to say the quiet part loud.

# ? Mar 6, 2019 13:48

Communist Thoughts: Jan 7, 2008; Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!

Are LFI the chaps getting bucks from the Israeli gov?

# ? Mar 6, 2019 13:49

TheRat: Aug 30, 2006

Hentai Jihadist posted:

Are LFI the chaps getting bucks from the Israeli gov?

Yes, through Joan Ryan

# ? Mar 6, 2019 13:51

Midnight-: Aug 22, 2007; Pain or damage don't end the world, or despair, or fuckin' beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man - and give some back.

I live in a small and quiet town that's pretty much full of commuters. There's a population of 12,000 or so, and apparently 5000 houses/flats.

The current local authority plan is to build a further 2000 houses here....without any extra infrastructure. There's already mass traffic jams on both side of town in rush hour. The demand for school places is crazy, same goes with GPs and dentists.

Apparently there's going to be a vote on whether to approve this plan. I don't want to get all nimby, I know we need houses built, but this seems mental to me. How can you increase the population of a town by nearly 50% and not allocate extra for building infrastructure to handle it?

# ? Mar 6, 2019 13:51

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

OwlFancier posted:

I guess I have trouble seeing daylight between those two given that the latter results from the former, other than willingless to say the quiet part loud.

I guess one's a position rooted in the idea that nation-states are a thing that exist, and that while nation-states exist, and while several of them have tried to do the whole 'killing Jews' thing, it's not unreasonable for some Jews to have a nation-state, but it's also possible to criticize that nation-state for their atrocities, whereas the other is rooted in 'criticizing atrocities is antisemitic'.

# ? Mar 6, 2019 13:53

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Midnight- posted:

I live in a small and quiet town that's pretty much full of commuters. There's a population of 12,000 or so, and apparently 5000 houses/flats.

The current local authority plan is to build a further 2000 houses here....without any extra infrastructure. There's already mass traffic jams on both side of town in rush hour. The demand for school places is crazy, same goes with GPs and dentists.

Apparently there's going to be a vote on whether to approve this plan. I don't want to get all nimby, I know we need houses built, but this seems mental to me. How can you increase the population of a town by nearly 50% and not allocate extra for building infrastructure to handle it?

Guavanaut posted:

I guess one's a position rooted in the idea that nation-states are a thing that exist, and that while nation-states exist, and while several of them have tried to do the whole 'killing Jews' thing, it's not unreasonable for Jews to have a nation-state, but it's also possible to criticize that nation-state for their atrocities, whereas the other is rooted in 'criticizing atrocities is antisemitic'.

Yeah but like, we live in a world where nation states of all stripes do a shitload of atrocities and Israel is trying real hard to top the charts in open atrocity doing.

So being pro nation states and explicitly pro a real visibly lovely one doesn't really make a lot of sense in the real world we actually live in rather than the one with the perfectly spherical nation states floating in a vacuum. And I don't trust politicians to be actually interested in weird philosophical poo poo rather than to use it as an excuse for their real world lovely ideas.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 13:57 on Mar 6, 2019

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jabby: Oct 27, 2010

ThomasPaine posted:

Those ~realitycheck~ articles always piss me off even when they're pretty innocuous and I can't quite articulate why.

Probably because they started off as very simple 'is this fact correct' articles, but then morphed into opinion pieces complete with political bias under the heading of 'FACT-CHECK'.

# ? Mar 6, 2019 13:55

kecske: Feb 28, 2011; it's round, like always

Midnight- posted:

How can you increase the population of a town by nearly 50% and not allocate extra for building infrastructure to handle it?

Down where my parents live a huge development went up a year or so ago with no consideration given to developing local infrastructure. They even built on a floodplain lol.

houses are still a commodity so they'll get built regardless if the developer knows that demand exists, while roads and poo poo are the council's responsibility and they've got less than zero money to build anything with.

e:although roads won't matter once the sea level rises enough and we can commute via gondola.

kecske fucked around with this message at 14:01 on Mar 6, 2019

# ? Mar 6, 2019 13:57

cakesmith handyman: Jul 22, 2007; Pip-Pip old chap! Last one in is a rotten egg what what.

Midnight- posted:

How can you increase the population of a town by nearly 50% and not allocate extra for building infrastructure to handle it?

Don't live there and get paid off by the developer?

Seriously though vote against it, try and drum up local interest and have everyone vote against it.

# ? Mar 6, 2019 13:58

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

Coohoolin posted:

Haha when even Kezia is dunking on you...

https://twitter.com/paulhutcheon/status/1103246222062743552?s=19

epic, just epic

now brexit will be stopped

# ? Mar 6, 2019 14:01

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Midnight- posted:

I live in a small and quiet town that's pretty much full of commuters. There's a population of 12,000 or so, and apparently 5000 houses/flats.

The current local authority plan is to build a further 2000 houses here....without any extra infrastructure. There's already mass traffic jams on both side of town in rush hour. The demand for school places is crazy, same goes with GPs and dentists.

Apparently there's going to be a vote on whether to approve this plan. I don't want to get all nimby, I know we need houses built, but this seems mental to me. How can you increase the population of a town by nearly 50% and not allocate extra for building infrastructure to handle it?

When they built the two new estates on the back of my village they did all the traffic analysis outside of rush hour and all the flooding analysis outside of the wet season to avoid building extra infrastructure :toot:

Fortunately the 'Save Our Village' crew that weren't awful NIMBYs got through to the parish council and they managed to force the concession of a new traffic roundabout.

Cheap fuckers wouldn't even pay for flowers on it until it was pointed out that their showhomes were surrounded with flowers.

Still no additional flood protection though :toot:

-but-water-slowly-rising-in-background

jabby posted:

Probably because they started off as very simple 'is this fact correct' articles, but then morphed into opinion pieces complete with political bias under the heading of 'FACT-CHECK'.

That and the view from nowhere is bollocks.

# ? Mar 6, 2019 14:07

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

PMQs said Corbyn eked out a weak win by focusing on knife crime but by blaming government policy and not Theresa May's policy he missed hitting her properly

fuckin state of this

# ? Mar 6, 2019 14:08

goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

Midnight- posted:

I live in a small and quiet town that's pretty much full of commuters. There's a population of 12,000 or so, and apparently 5000 houses/flats.

The current local authority plan is to build a further 2000 houses here....without any extra infrastructure. There's already mass traffic jams on both side of town in rush hour. The demand for school places is crazy, same goes with GPs and dentists.

Apparently there's going to be a vote on whether to approve this plan. I don't want to get all nimby, I know we need houses built, but this seems mental to me. How can you increase the population of a town by nearly 50% and not allocate extra for building infrastructure to handle it?

Hold Tower Hamlets' beer:

Grey is current, blue is under construction, yellow is planning permission granted - if they were all occupied (lol as if) the population of the Isle of Dogs would go from 90k to 200k.

Admittedly there's a fuckton of public transport (but that's already packed out both on and off the IoD for all of rush hour) but there's still only two roads on and off - it's insanity.

# ? Mar 6, 2019 14:09

Jedit: Dec 10, 2011; Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

jabby posted:

Probably because they started off as very simple 'is this fact correct' articles, but then morphed into opinion pieces complete with political bias under the heading of 'FACT-CHECK'.

When the country is run by the Lying Party of Lying Liars and the president lies on average ten times a day, it's a bit hard not to have a bit of bias in a fact check.

# ? Mar 6, 2019 14:09

Midnight-: Aug 22, 2007; Pain or damage don't end the world, or despair, or fuckin' beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man - and give some back.

cakesmith handyman posted:

Don't live there and get paid off by the developer?

Seriously though vote against it, try and drum up local interest and have everyone vote against it.

We've just had a labour leaflet through saying vote no and explaining it all really simply, and signs/posters have popped up everywhere, so they're doing a good job. I keep my eyes open of whats going on and I only vaguely knew about it, and even then not when it was. Since the leaflet went around its kicked up a big fuss, so I imagine it will be a no.

It wouldn't even be difficult to do this properly. A ring-road/bypass around the town, joining the two main roads that run each side, would solve 75% of the traffic problems. It was identified and designed 15 years ago, and has been in a constant state of "we really intend on building this...once we finish the planned consultation/redesign/feasibility study...honest..." .

A medical centre, a new primary school. None of these things are rocket science. But there's never any money, obviously.

Apart from for developers who get loads of profit from Help 2 buy...

Socialism is great, if you're a property developer, apparently.

# ? Mar 6, 2019 14:09

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

Midnight- posted:

I live in a small and quiet town that's pretty much full of commuters. There's a population of 12,000 or so, and apparently 5000 houses/flats.

The current local authority plan is to build a further 2000 houses here....without any extra infrastructure. There's already mass traffic jams on both side of town in rush hour. The demand for school places is crazy, same goes with GPs and dentists.

Apparently there's going to be a vote on whether to approve this plan. I don't want to get all nimby, I know we need houses built, but this seems mental to me. How can you increase the population of a town by nearly 50% and not allocate extra for building infrastructure to handle it?

This is basically the norm now. In the early 90s there was some farmland south of Inverness called Milton of Leys just off the A9. Now it's a suburb of about 2,500 people. There's a Primary School now (which took them a decade after people started moving in to open) and gently caress all else. Shops, play parks, for kids, nothing. Not much of a bus service either. I used to think village I grew up in was shite and boring as a kid, but there was a basketball net, 2 football pitches, parks to play in with swings and climb frames & all that poo poo. A village shop/newsagent. There's even a wee skate park now.

And nearby there's a...it was barely a settlement. There were like 10 council houses (I think, certainly look that way) in the middle of nowhere between Inverness & Nairn called Tornagrain. Now the landlords (the Earl of Moray) have planning permission to build 5,000 homes. With the aim of a town with a population of over 10,000 in the longterm, instantly making it the 2nd or 3rd biggest settlement in the entire Highlands. Meanwhile the main road is already a traffic nightmare at anything approaching peak travel times without these extra thousands of people. And again, it's so far looking like another dystopian suburb with no loving services of its own less than several miles away. And these are all expensive properties too. Inverness doesn't have the jobs for these people, makes no loving sense. Never mind the additional stress on the health service, on schools. It makes no sense but seemingly we've given up on sensible planning that considers that maybe driving everywhere is loving bad for the planet?

# ? Mar 6, 2019 14:10

Ursine Catastrophe: Nov 9, 2009; It's a lovely morning in the void and you are a horrible lady-in-waiting.

don't ask how i know; Dinosaur Gum

ThomasPaine posted:

Those ~realitycheck~ articles always piss me off even when they're pretty innocuous and I can't quite articulate why.

https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1087890805715537920?s=21

jabby posted:

Probably because they started off as very simple 'is this fact correct' articles, but then morphed into opinion pieces complete with political bias under the heading of 'FACT-CHECK'.

but yeah this. It�s news, news has to be interesting, so it�s more newsworthy and better clickbait to yell �gotcha� at someone who�s usually on the ball than to call out the lying liars for the 50th time that week, even before the �who owns the newspaper� issues

# ? Mar 6, 2019 14:21

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

speaking of factcheckers https://twitter.com/FullFact/status/1103278633366577152

https://twitter.com/FullFact/status/1103278713247010816

nice to see someone calling out Tory bollocks for once

# ? Mar 6, 2019 14:27

kustomkarkommando: Oct 22, 2012

JLM is the official recognised and affiliated socialist society with Labour, JVL is not. It's not a surprise Labour is gonna recognise it as the Jewish organisation of the party in much the same way LGBT Labour, BAME Labour and the Irish society are all given recognition as the primary organisation within their field.

# ? Mar 6, 2019 14:27

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

https://twitter.com/GuardianHeather/status/1103283989492785156

Graun is noting that Corbyn has dropped his "freedom of movement will end" line that's previously been annoying members of our fair forum with.

# ? Mar 6, 2019 14:28

Midnight-: Aug 22, 2007; Pain or damage don't end the world, or despair, or fuckin' beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man - and give some back.

This was posted on /r/ukpolitics (yeah I know), interesitng numbers on US/UK difference to food standard.

https://www.sustainweb.org/news/feb18_US_foodpoisoning/

quote:

The US reports higher rates of illness from foodborne illness than in the UK. Annually, 14.7% (48m) of the US population suffer from an illness, versus 1.5% (1m) in the UK. This is nearly ten times the percentage of population.

The US reports higher rates of deaths from foodborne illness than in the UK. The annual death rate in the US is 3000 per annum, versus 500 in the UK. [The US population is about 5 times the size of the UK.]

The US Centre of Disease Control and Prevention reports around 380 deaths in the US each year attributed to foodborne salmonella poisoning. The most recent epidemiological lab data from Public Health England shows no deaths in England and Wales from salmonella between 2005 and 2015. Salmonella food poisoning is most commonly caused by consumption of contaminated food of animal origin, such as beef, chicken, milk, fish or eggs.

The Food Standards Agency recently updated its guidance to say that eating soft-boiled British Lion Mark eggs is now safe, thanks to a dramatic reduction in the presence of salmonella. By contrast, the US Food and Drug Administration still advises US consumers to hard boil their eggs due to salmonella fears. They report 79,000 cases of illness and 30 deaths a year from salmonella infected eggs.

Campylobacter � another food poisoning pathogen found in animal products, especially chicken � causes 1.3m illnesses every year in the US, and their frequency of outbreak is on the rise. The most recent US laboratory-confirmed infection data shows an infection rate from campylobacter of 6,289 per 100k of population. By contrast, Public Health England lab data for England and Wales from 2015 showed a campylobacter infection rate of 96.22 per 100k population. In addition, the Food Standards Agency has reported a 17% decline in laboratory reports of campylobacter in the UK in 2016, saving the economy an estimated �13m each year from reduced with NHS costs and fewer days off work.

The US reports an average 1591 cases of listeriosis a year. This compares to an average of 177 a year in England and Wales. Listeriosis is usually caught from eating food such as unpasteurised milk, soft cheeses and chilled ready to eat foods like p�t�.

# ? Mar 6, 2019 14:28

V. Illych L.: Apr 11, 2008; ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

honestly the most impressive part of brexit handling, to me, is how corbyn has managed to sketch what a labour brexit might actually look like, and presumably built a bit of goodwill in europe in the process

putting that suggestion forward as a framework for brexit /should/ help mitigate the whole 'BETRAYAL!!!!!' hysteria when they vote down may's deal

# ? Mar 6, 2019 14:33

V. Illych L.: Apr 11, 2008; ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

and by 'most impressive' i mean 'only impressive' because holy lol brexit's been poorly handled by just about everyone

# ? Mar 6, 2019 14:34

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Bolsonaro tweeted a video of some guy at a Brazil carnival sticking his finger in his arse and then getting pissed on and followed it up with this

https://twitter.com/jairbolsonaro/s...ingawful.com%2F

# ? Mar 6, 2019 14:34

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Love 21st c. politics.

# ? Mar 6, 2019 14:38

coffeetable: Feb 5, 2006; TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

YES I DO TALK TO PLANTS ACTUALLY

Midnight- posted:

I don't want to get all nimby,

you got all nimby. this is how every expansion in history has gone: you get people in first, then you start building poo poo as and when those people complain

e: where'd you live exactly?

coffeetable fucked around with this message at 14:46 on Mar 6, 2019

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coffeetable: Feb 5, 2006; TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

YES I DO TALK TO PLANTS ACTUALLY

Still B.A.E posted:

Where are you getting these from?

https://blog.openai.com/better-language-models/

# ? Mar 6, 2019 14:45

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