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Shop called. That burst hose is apparently one with some pressure sensor on it, so $400 for OEM. And a lot of labor to take parts off to get access. He's gonna install the hose (once it arrives this or next week) and rerun the diagnostic. At which point there could be more gremlins. But looking at $1500 to get to that point. e: oh -- he said that the pump seemed ok from a quick test (pushing fluid to see where the leak was), but no guarantees. kimbo305 fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Jan 30, 2019 |
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kimbo305 posted:Shop called. That burst hose is apparently one with some pressure sensor on it, so $400 for OEM. I think "Just in it for the repair bills" would be an appropriate thread title at this point.
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Jan 30, 2019 22:11
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Hey but the two guys through the idle sounded fuckin' awesome.
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Jan 30, 2019 22:12
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As a fellow hydraulic suspension enthusiast, those high pressure pumps reaaaaaaally don't like being run when dry. Have you priced out replacing it now vs later?
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Jan 30, 2019 22:29
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Grakkus posted:As a fellow hydraulic suspension enthusiast, those high pressure pumps reaaaaaaally don't like being run when dry. Have you priced out replacing it now vs later? What's the failure mode? Does metal break apart? Or does it die? I asked Nick what should be getting replaced as long as everything is off, but he was noncommittal. Not sure how much needs to get buttoned back up to run the diagnostic. e: now I'm second guessing bringing some fluid, dumping it into the reservoir, and topping it off as I went. It would have been a couple gallons blowing out given how long the car was on. kimbo305 fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Jan 30, 2019 |
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Jan 30, 2019 22:46
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Before, I'd always thought of AAA as a get out of jail free card. Sure your car might be unreliable, but you can get it towed. Now it's clear that there's a lot of gray there. The AAA dispatcher said something along the lines of "there's failures where towing cannot happen without some damage to the vehicle, and AAA might not approve of those tows." I guess unless you have your own tow solution, you're always at someone else's mercy to some degree.
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Jan 30, 2019 22:53
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kimbo305 posted:Before, I'd always thought of AAA as a get out of jail free card. Sure your car might be unreliable, but you can get it towed. You can always just take a wheel off and hide it somewhere.
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Jan 31, 2019 01:47
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Wrong spot, S65 doesn稚 look like it痴 in that photo. Also confirmed all those kids are obsessed with your cars. Also confirmed idle sounds dope. Startup idle is amazing.
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kimbo305 posted:What's the failure mode? Does metal break apart? Or does it die? I asked Nick what should be getting replaced as long as everything is off, but he was noncommittal. Not sure how much needs to get buttoned back up to run the diagnostic. Blowing gallons of hydraulic fluid all over the road as you go is the approved method for driving cars with damaged hydraulic suspensions  Most of the time, the pumps will just grind to a halt, but you do hear some horror stories. Last one I heard was an internal element let go, and created a pinhole leak in the housing that sprayed aerosolized hydraulic fluid everywhere. Guy noticed something was wrong, checked it out and breathed hydraulic fluid, had to go to the hospital. Or parts grenading at 2500psi.
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Colostomy Bag posted:Tandem pump replacement is around $2K from an indy. Was this post meant for this thread? It was in the Merc thread. Parts to "while you're in there" gathered from the thread: - might as well do the front pulsation dampener as well. It isn't that expense (compared to rest of the crap) and they all fail eventually. - the dampener is basically a quick and easy one to replace. It looks like a ball, has a membrane in with one side filled with nitrogen. - main? high pressure pump I asked Nick if it was worth replacing hoses that weren't burst, and he seemed to think no
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kimbo305 posted:Was this post meant for this thread? It was in the Merc thread. Huh? Geesus there is a hydraulic pump. I gave advice. Never again.
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Colostomy Bag posted:Huh? Geesus there is a hydraulic pump. I gave advice. Never again. Just asking if you'd posted in the wrong thread, since the AAA being hesitant discussion was in here and not the other thread.
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Are the pumps rebuilt by indies just because that's cheaper, or because the pumps can't be obtained anymore?
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Seat Safety Switch posted:Are the pumps rebuilt by indies just because that's cheaper, or because the pumps can't be obtained anymore? How could parts availability be an issue with Mercedes? It's not that old of a car even.
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I致e posted this before but Mercedes will make any part you want or rebuild your whole car if you have the $. They at least used to pride themselves on nothing unobtainable
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kimbo305 posted:Just asking if you'd posted in the wrong thread, since the AAA being hesitant discussion was in here and not the other thread. Eh sorry, bad day, I apologize.
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Got a call from Nick this morning, and instead of trying to hear the news over the phone, I biked down to get it in person. As soon as he saw me, he said, "oh, glad you're here" and proceded to do the sign of the cross on me like an Orthodox priest. In addition to the burst hose, he replaced pulleys whose bearings were pretty shot (maybe from all the hydraulic fluid). After buttoning it all up, he tested the system and Grakkus posted:As a fellow hydraulic suspension enthusiast, those high pressure pumps reaaaaaaally don't like being run when dry. Have you priced out replacing it now vs later? You called it -- the pump was not functional, contrary to the e: initial 'bench test' he did. $1400 for the pump from Mercedes and 10hrs labor. The small silver lining is that Nick's shop is still charging <$100/hr -- just $88. I'm looking at $3900 for that repair and the already-done hose work, and we'll see if there's more that's needed. The rotors are extremely rusted, but Nick said to cross that bridge after the car was moving first. Ready for a dubber meetup: 
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Woof. What's the more expensive version of nickel and diming? At least after that repair you'll have a well sorted hydraulic suspension that'll last for years, I hope?
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There's obviously a financial interest in this case in keeping it stock, but i wonder how nicely that system would play with some lowrider pumps and switches. I mean, $3,900 on a hydraulic system and you can't even three wheel or hop.
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Bajaha posted:Woof. What's the more expensive version of nickel and diming? I have a (well founded, I think) fear that there's a line of things ready to blow up next at <1year intervals. It's gonna be 2 weeks for Mercedes to ship a part (Nick said maybe it's coming from Germany?) and then I assume more than a week for Nick to line up the shop schedule for 10 hrs of work, and then diagnostics. At which point there could be more issues. It's just a second car, and I don't need it for commuting, but it's obvious how this kind of downtime could turn someone off. I suppose with a dealer that charges $200/hr, you could at least get a loaner car.
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Powershift posted:There's obviously a financial interest in this case in keeping it stock, but i wonder how nicely that system would play with some lowrider pumps and switches. Walking out of a MB repair bill for 3,900 feels like you are getting off easy.
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Powershift posted:There's obviously a financial interest in this case in keeping it stock, but i wonder how nicely that system would play with some lowrider pumps and switches. I'd wager the system is physically capable of those things, if only you could program it properly 
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Yeah, if the struts can do this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o25-xGcdeHY You could probably program it to 3 wheel, though not sure how many times before something popped.
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kimbo305 posted:You called it -- the pump was not functional, contrary to the e: initial 'bench test' he did. Condolences. Bajaha posted:Woof. What's the more expensive version of nickel and diming? In my experience, the pumps are pretty bulletproof as long as you don't run them dry. As kimbo has unfortunately learned, the hoses are the primary source of issues, but are luckily relatively easy and cheap to maintain.
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Grakkus posted:the hoses are the primary source of issues, but are luckily relatively easy and cheap to maintain. I've asked Nick multiple times to replace any other hoses if he thinks it would be good prevention, but I think he's looking past that and just trying to get the car running.
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Wanted to give an no-news-is-good-news update on the 9-5. Outside of a dead battery on the day of my wedding when the car was loaded with 3-400lbs of alcohol and ready to drive to the reception venue, it's been reliable. The radio doesn't turn on for cold startups for whatever reason, but if you stop and start again, it'll kick on. The click sound for turn signals is on the same circuit, weirdly. The left rear turn signal bulb burned out. Rather, the plastic base that twists into place with the taillamp assembly was melted. This is a common failure. GM was too cheap to spec an LED for this light, but didn't anticipate an incandescent throwing off extra heat. New $25 bulb cleared that right up. The suspension is clunky as gently caress, and I assume it's not doing the alignment any favors. Between possible issues there and the AWD, the steering has a very strong self-centering tendency and overall just feels extremely understeery. The power comes on a little slow, but it's pretty good. I think it makes a nice, big, relatively quick family car. Not a true sport sedan, but looks good and has some genuine differentiation from a contemporary 5-series or E-class. The 9-5 is bigger than those but smaller than 7-series or S-class.
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kimbo305 posted:Got a call from Nick this morning, and instead of trying to hear the news over the phone, I biked down to get it in person. Hmmm, 14 hundred for the pump and $88 an hour for labor, with a German mechanic. I wonder what's going on here.
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I've been thinking about this one for a while -- even though the trunk is powered, it still has gas struts. So if the struts are shot, maybe they don't balance enough to keep the lid up? This person seems to have run into that issue: https://mbworld.org/forums/sl55-amg-sl63-amg-sl65-amg-r230/370094-replaced-trunk-struts.html Could go super cheap: https://www.ebay.com/itm/2x-Trunk-Lift-Supports-Shock-Strut-Springs-for-Mercedes-Benz-W220-S430-S500-S600-/162484456814 Or get the OEM: https://www.ebay.com/itm/For-Mercedes-W220-881-Trunk-Shock-L-R-x2-Gas-Strut-Lift-Support-Absorber/361341395324 In poking around for those, I found that the pump by the battery is for the trunk: https://www.ebay.com/itm/W220-Mercedes-s500-s430-s600-s55-hydraulic-trunk-lid-pump-strut-00-06-Tested/132892967192
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kimbo305 posted:The radio doesn't turn on for cold startups for whatever reason, but if you stop and start again, it'll kick on. The click sound for turn signals is on the same circuit, weirdly. That's because GM runs all of the turn signal sounds, chimes, bells, boops, beeps, warning sounds, etc through the stereo on your 9-5. And most of their other cars of that era (except for Saturns, oddly). So if the stereo isn't working, you don't get your sounds. (no clue why it's not working on the first try though) If you go with an aftermarket radio, you'll need a Scosche or Metra adapter to keep those sounds working. You can use the non-OnStar harness even if you have OnStar, if you don't care about OnStar functionality. Depending on the year model, it may be dead anyway - GM kept OnStar on analog cellular only for a long time, and even the later CDMA versions will be dead at the end of 2019 (thanks to VZW shutting down their 3G CDMA network). Only the LTE versions (201x and newer) will work after that point. Be glad they didn't do what they did on the earlier Cobalts - the radio did quad duty as stereo, driver info center, onstar call module, and beep/boop/ding generator. randomidiot fucked around with this message at 06:21 on Feb 20, 2019 |
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I ordered the cheapo struts. Didn't look into how to install them, so hopefully not a huge pita and make me regret it when they give up in 3 months.STR posted:That's because GM runs all of the turn signal sounds, chimes, bells, boops, beeps, warning sounds, etc through the stereo on your 9-5. And most of their other cars of that era (except for Saturns, oddly). So if the stereo isn't working, you don't get your sounds. (no clue why it's not working on the first try though)
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Normally they come from the drivers side front speaker. The navigation system may be something totally different with its own, uh, clicker, though.
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Gonna go look at a 2007 s600 on wed because of this thread.
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Preoptopus posted:Gonna go look at a 2007 s600 on wed because of this thread. So what you're saying is you're a massochist and you hate money?
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Nothing would have dissuaded these people if this thread couldn't. Shop called Fri morning saying it was done, but I didn't go pick it up because we were supposed to have back to back snows this weekend, with the bigger one overnight tonight. So I figured I would let them deal with shoveling it out instead of me. I remain extremely wary that it could be all squared away, but sitting around this weekend can see if there's any leaks. Apparently they're not gonna put the 6.0L twin turbo into S-classes anymore: https://jalopnik.com/dead-the-mercedes-benz-s65-amg-1832832184
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kimbo305 posted:Apparently they're not gonna put the 6.0L twin turbo into S-classes anymore: https://jalopnik.com/dead-the-mercedes-benz-s65-amg-1832832184
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The wording is the current 6.0 in the S-class: > brings to an end the long success story of the 6.0-litre V12 biturbo engine in the S-Class Saloon. But not clear if Mercedes means all 6.0s or just the M279. I think the interpretation that there'll be a new V12 family is probably right.
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kimbo305 posted:Nothing would have dissuaded these people if this thread couldn't.
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Preoptopus posted:Gonna go look at a 2007 s600 on wed because of this thread. Don't. Or do.
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Preoptopus posted:I live in walking distance from my work which is a shop. So i feel like im pretty prepared lol
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I said similar words when buying a beat up GM. Get AAA Plus (100 miles of towing per incident) before buying it. You'll probably need it to tow it home, and they won't do same-day-signup-tows anymore. 
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