Grappling: Grab their foot in a threatening manner, it doesn't cost you anything

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starkebn: May 18, 2004; "Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Like, I think this is the point that is getting missed. I am not asking how to lose weight, that is not my problem. I am asking about getting into competition shape which involves cutting calories but also making sure you get enough energy that you can still train.

Like, I know how to diet to lose weight. I am talking about diet for competition shape.

My bad, I guess I jumped the gun and conflated your question with the people who were talking about being seriously overweight. Made an rear end of myself because I wouldn't know the first the thing about cutting for competing sorry

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# ? May 17, 2024 21:18

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

starkebn posted:

My bad, I guess I jumped the gun and conflated your question with the people who were talking about being seriously overweight. Made an rear end of myself because I wouldn't know the first the thing about cutting for competing sorry

It's cool

# ? Mar 6, 2019 16:04

spacetoaster: Feb 10, 2014

I'm a proponent of just counting calories.

# ? Mar 6, 2019 16:26

Pron on VHS: Nov 14, 2005; Blood Clots
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What do you guys think of this closed guard break and pass into half guard?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BuoHxxslScA/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1o7tilacuahaj

# ? Mar 6, 2019 18:38

Yuns: Aug 19, 2000; There is an idea of a Yuns, some kind of abstraction, but there is no real me, only an entity, something illusory, and though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable: I simply am not there.

SHOAH NUFF posted:

What do you guys think of this closed guard break and pass into half guard?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BuoHxxslScA/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1o7tilacuahaj

Uh, don't take this the wrong way, but you've literally never seen a Sao Paulo pass before? This is a Sao Paulo pass which also has many variations such as the Chimpass. It's a well known and well regarded pressure pass.

# ? Mar 6, 2019 18:49

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I haven�t seen it before. The idea of flipping your hips to pass guard is new to me, I have mostly been learning basic fundamental guard passing and that move hasn�t been covered.

# ? Mar 6, 2019 18:52

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

SHOAH NUFF posted:

I haven�t seen it before. The idea of flipping your hips to pass guard is new to me, I have mostly been learning basic fundamental guard passing and that move hasn�t been covered.

Rotating hips is one of the best ways to break guard for my whitebelt rear end.

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HamsterPolice: Apr 17, 2016

A lot of diets work. I would avoid any liquid that has calories and have a cheat day a week where you can eat whatever you want to help make staying on the diet easier.

# ? Mar 7, 2019 00:25

Mekchu: Apr 10, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Quintet announced an all female tournament for Fight Night 3 in (iirc) April.

10th Planet, Deep/RIZIN, Miyuu Yamamoto, & Rikako Yuasa are the teams.

Mekchu fucked around with this message at 02:43 on Mar 7, 2019

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flashman: Dec 16, 2003

Yuns posted:

Uh, don't take this the wrong way, but you've literally never seen a Sao Paulo pass before? This is a Sao Paulo pass which also has many variations such as the Chimpass. It's a well known and well regarded pressure pass.

We did a variation of this at a Jake Mackenzie seminar where you hook the bottom guys leg with yours to clear half guard nice to learn the name.

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Tezcatlipoca: Sep 18, 2009

Didn't GSP use the Sao Paulo all the time? I'm pretty sure Khabib does it a lot too.

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Jack B Nimble: Dec 25, 2007; Soiled Meat

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Any tips/strats?

I'm a bit late but the YLLS Diet and Exercise megathread is a fantastic resource filled with friendly and knowledgeable people. Read the OP, read the last couple pages, and ask any question you have regarding the OP, they'll be happy to help

Jack B Nimble fucked around with this message at 13:35 on Mar 7, 2019

# ? Mar 7, 2019 03:32

HamsterPolice: Apr 17, 2016

Tezcatlipoca posted:

Didn't GSP use the Sao Paulo all the time? I'm pretty sure Khabib does it a lot too.

Sao Paulo definitely works.

# ? Mar 7, 2019 03:40

Mekchu: Apr 10, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

I never knew it named as "Sao Paulo" but yeah its a pretty common move. My wrestling coach just called it a hip switch.

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FreakyMetalKid: Nov 23, 2003

When Mike Fowler came to our gym for a seminar he said that his top game is basically jumping into his opponent's closed guard to avoid open guards and then working that pass. I also never knew that as the "Sao Paulo."

# ? Mar 7, 2019 07:00

Yuns: Aug 19, 2000; There is an idea of a Yuns, some kind of abstraction, but there is no real me, only an entity, something illusory, and though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable: I simply am not there.

You can also call it the Tozi pass.

# ? Mar 7, 2019 07:20

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Had one of those extreme white belt moments where you do something so dumb its an immediately learning experience.

I've been experimenting with trying to get double underhooks on the legs when in someone's open guard. I was rolling, and realized I had one arm I could get an underhook on but the other one was caught. I was like "Well, i will get this one and then try for the other"

As soon as I did it I realized I just put myself in a triangle

# ? Mar 7, 2019 15:29

Grace Baiting: Jul 20, 2012; Audi famam illius;
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flashman posted:

We did a variation of this at a Jake Mackenzie seminar where you hook the bottom guys leg with yours to clear half guard nice to learn the name.

I too had never learned the name S�o Paulo or Tozi pass (in my notes from years ago I learned it without a name and just called it "underhook pass"), so it's good to know what it's actually named! Was Mackenzie's leg hooking variation like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLYOZYeY9IM
I originally learned this pass to include stapling their calf to the ground with your shin, then windshield-wipering your other foot over to complete the pass, but I like the looks of that ankle hook drag.

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Had one of those extreme white belt moments where you do something so dumb its an immediately learning experience.

I've been experimenting with trying to get double underhooks on the legs when in someone's open guard. I was rolling, and realized I had one arm I could get an underhook on but the other one was caught. I was like "Well, i will get this one and then try for the other"

As soon as I did it I realized I just put myself in a triangle

You almost discovered the over-under pass though!

# ? Mar 7, 2019 16:31

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Grace Baiting posted:

You almost discovered the over-under pass though!

Just looked up a video and it looks like a butterfly pass

Which owns, because I needed a few more of those

# ? Mar 7, 2019 16:35

Pron on VHS: Nov 14, 2005; Blood Clots
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I learned a cool submission from bottom side control last night where you grab the back of their collar with your far side hand and extend it all the way, pushing them off you, then you scissor your legs around their head and pull on their collar. so one of your thighs and their collar are doing the choking. It seems cool but you need them to have their far side arm posted next to your near side hip to prevent shrimping otherwise the choke won�t work, I think

# ? Mar 7, 2019 17:01

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

SHOAH NUFF posted:

I learned a cool submission from bottom side control last night where you grab the back of their collar with your far side hand and extend it all the way, pushing them off you, then you scissor your legs around their head and pull on their collar. so one of your thighs and their collar are doing the choking. It seems cool but you need them to have their far side arm posted next to your near side hip to prevent shrimping otherwise the choke won�t work, I think

so like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LADu3ZSiLo

# ? Mar 7, 2019 17:05

Yuns: Aug 19, 2000; There is an idea of a Yuns, some kind of abstraction, but there is no real me, only an entity, something illusory, and though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable: I simply am not there.

I usually don't use much strength but decided to go full power (but not full speed) today because I kept getting elbowed in the face accidentally by my partner. Felt good man. I Karelin style suplexed a guy out of turtle and also picked someone off the ground using a one handed kimura grip and sat them back down to take their back. I think some of these guys don't realize when I'm being a nice guy so it's nice to remind them that I can be an absolute savage too.

Yuns fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Mar 7, 2019

# ? Mar 7, 2019 17:14

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

is a suplex from turtle considered a slam?

Because if not goddamn I know something to try next time. Time to put my deadlifts to work.

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flashman: Dec 16, 2003

Grace Baiting posted:

I too had never learned the name São Paulo or Tozi pass (in my notes from years ago I learned it without a name and just called it "underhook pass"), so it's good to know what it's actually named! Was Mackenzie's leg hooking variation like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLYOZYeY9IM
I originally learned this pass to include stapling their calf to the ground with your shin, then windshield-wipering your other foot over to complete the pass, but I like the looks of that ankle hook drag.

You almost discovered the over-under pass though!

That's the one we did. From the bottom position he did alot of Frank Mir arm lock stuff when the top dude is digging for that underhook so it's created alot of interesting battles between the guys who attended.

# ? Mar 7, 2019 17:17

Pron on VHS: Nov 14, 2005; Blood Clots
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Yah like that Mel, but your far side arm isn�t framing against their neck, but instead it is grabbing the back of the collar from the inside and then extending and locking the arm out (imagine the long arm pass rushing technique edge rushers use), and you bring both of your legs up to scissor around their head

# ? Mar 7, 2019 17:19

Odddzy: Oct 10, 2007; Once shot a man in Reno.

Yuns posted:

I usually don't use much strength but decided to go full power (but not full speed) today because I kept getting elbowed in the face accidentally by my partner. Felt good man. I Karelin style suplexed a guy out of turtle and also picked someone off the ground using a one handed kimura grip and sat them back down to take their back. I think some of these guys don't realize when I'm being a nice guy so it's nice to remind them that I can be an absolute savage too.

that would've been fun to watch.

# ? Mar 7, 2019 17:20

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

SHOAH NUFF posted:

Yah like that Mel, but your far side arm isn�t framing against their neck, but instead it is grabbing the back of the collar from the inside and then extending and locking the arm out (imagine the long arm pass rushing technique edge rushers use), and you bring both of your legs up to scissor around their head

Ah ok.

I have crazy flexible legs so I tend to use escapes and reversals that use leg scissors and framing from bottom side control a lot.

# ? Mar 7, 2019 17:23

CommonShore: Jun 6, 2014; A true renaissance man

I visited a partner gym yesterday and got some rolls in with different folks and it went quite well. It was a good confidence booster, which I needed.

Yuns posted:

I usually don't use much strength but decided to go full power (but not full speed) today because I kept getting elbowed in the face accidentally by my partner. Felt good man. I Karelin style suplexed a guy out of turtle and also picked someone off the ground using a one handed kimura grip and sat them back down to take their back. I think some of these guys don't realize when I'm being a nice guy so it's nice to remind them that I can be an absolute savage too.

How is a Karelin suplex different from a regular suplex

# ? Mar 7, 2019 17:24

Odddzy: Oct 10, 2007; Once shot a man in Reno.

CommonShore posted:

How is a Karelin suplex different from a regular suplex

I think it's when you look like this :

# ? Mar 7, 2019 17:30

Mr. Nice!: Oct 13, 2005; c-spam cannot afford

CommonShore posted:

I visited a partner gym yesterday and got some rolls in with different folks and it went quite well. It was a good confidence booster, which I needed.

How is a Karelin suplex different from a regular suplex

From what I've seen, it's the guy getting thrown is inverted. It's got a different name than a suplex. It's basically picking them up and throwing them into a powerbomb of sorts. Watch any number of Karelin highlights to see him hit this same throw over and over.

Mr. Nice! fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Mar 7, 2019

# ? Mar 7, 2019 17:31

Yuns: Aug 19, 2000; There is an idea of a Yuns, some kind of abstraction, but there is no real me, only an entity, something illusory, and though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable: I simply am not there.

CommonShore posted:

How is a Karelin suplex different from a regular suplex

I referenced karelin because it was on a turtled opponent from a n/s type position not a standing one from the back.

https://youtu.be/6g21jEuHZvs

Yuns fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Mar 7, 2019

# ? Mar 7, 2019 17:34

CommonShore: Jun 6, 2014; A true renaissance man

I like all three answers.

# ? Mar 7, 2019 17:37

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Yuns posted:

I referenced karelin because it was on a turtled opponent from a n/s type position not a standing one from the back.

https://youtu.be/6g21jEuHZvs

Mr. Nice! posted:

From what I've seen, it's the guy getting thrown is inverted. It's got a different name than a suplex. It's basically picking them up and throwing them into a powerbomb of sorts. Watch any number of Karelin highlights to see him hit this same throw over and over.

Gutwrench Suplex :eng101:

# ? Mar 7, 2019 18:02

CommonShore: Jun 6, 2014; A true renaissance man

Fucccck greco is so weird. When I see highlights it's always dudes getting loving mauled, but whenever I watch it live it's like a game of pattycake that ends 0-0 on some kind of tiebreaker.

# ? Mar 7, 2019 18:17

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

CommonShore posted:

Fucccck greco is so weird. When I see highlights it's always dudes getting loving mauled, but whenever I watch it live it's like a game of pattycake that ends 0-0 on some kind of tiebreaker.

Wrestling is the baseball of sports, condensed neat 60 secs of highlights in six hours of nothing happening.

# ? Mar 7, 2019 18:18

CommonShore: Jun 6, 2014; A true renaissance man

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Wrestling is the baseball of sports, condensed neat 60 secs of highlights in six hours of nothing happening.

Freestyle is fun to watch

# ? Mar 7, 2019 18:22

heeebrew: Sep 6, 2007; Weed smokin', joint tokin', fake Jew of the Weed thread

Every time I feel like I'm making a lot of improvement or progress I get tapped by a white belt.

# ? Mar 7, 2019 19:20

Xguard86: Nov 22, 2004; "You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Wrestling is the baseball of sports, condensed neat 60 secs of highlights in six hours of nothing happening.

I don't think I've become a good wrestler but I've improved and now I feel like 90% of my standup time is looking for angles and entries, and then like 10 seconds of action. Then if it repeats I get too gassed and pull guard.

# ? Mar 7, 2019 19:40

L0cke17: Nov 29, 2013

I think my blue belt is defective. It didn't make me any better by wearing it.

On the other hand though I went back and forth pretty evenly with a white belt who outweighs me by a solid 75 pounds and has been training almost a 9 months so I've at least learned something.

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heeebrew posted:

Every time I feel like I'm making a lot of improvement or progress I get tapped by a white belt.

As an 'White belt' with 10 years experience, belts don't mean poo poo.

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