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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Oh shi Yeah this seems likely the case, especially if they're gonna keep the name "Lord of the Rings". Having Sauron be the center of the plot that everything kind of revolves around makes sense. Although I think you can make an entire first season that ENDS with the forging of the rings. I'd say they're probably planning for more like 5-7 seasons, but having the last alliance be the ultimate climax of the series makes sense.
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Mahoning posted:Yeah this seems likely the case, especially if they're gonna keep the name "Lord of the Rings". Having Sauron be the center of the plot that everything kind of revolves around makes sense. Although I think you can make an entire first season that ENDS with the forging of the rings. I'd say they're probably planning for more like 5-7 seasons, but having the last alliance be the ultimate climax of the series makes sense. Yeah, you'd want to plan for five seasons. Or ten half-seasons the way everything has "mid season finales" and poo poo now. But I think those will be the three main arcs -- forging of the rings ending in Sauron's defeat and capture by Numenor as the first arc, 2nd arc the fall of numenor, 3rd arc the war of the last alliance. There's a lot of potential but a LOT of potential to fuuuuuck iiiittt uuuuuppp
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Well it’s rumored to be the most expensive television show ever made. So I imagine that means the acting and production values will be good. So the only question then is the writing. But the raw material is there for some amazing poo poo, it just depends on how they use it.
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Oh this is loving awesome and SO MUCH better than Young Aragorn crap.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Oh this is loving awesome and SO MUCH better than Young Aragorn crap. I agree, this is the one area of the legendarium that is so vague that you can do just about whatever you want with it. Within reason obviously. What I'm saying is DO NOT GIVE SAURON AND GALADRIEL A SEX SCENE.
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There's potential here to make Game of Thrones look like tiddlywinks if they do it right.sweet geek swag posted:
Gonna be a shitload of Sauron Dong I am really, really interested to see who they cast. They're gonna need someone who can do "charming evil" really, really, really well. I wonder if they'll bring in Hugo Weaving. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Mar 7, 2019 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:There's potential here to make Game of Thrones look like tiddlywinks if they do it right. Fingers crossed for Galadriel pegging Sauron.
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Sarern posted:Fingers crossed for Galadriel pegging Sauron. Look, let's not narrow our scope here. Sauron + Celebrimbor Ring on Ring Action
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I guess the different maps they released must represent different planned seasons then? Since you can't have Numenor and Annuminas at the same time. I also predict a Sauron - Ar Pharazon sex scene of some kind. Shibawanko fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Mar 7, 2019 |
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Mar 7, 2019 17:37
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Shibawanko posted:I guess the different maps they released must represent different planned seasons then? Since you can't have Numenor and Annuminas at the same time. You could, depending on how closely you hew to the very bare bones timeline of the LOTR's appendixes and the Akallabeth.
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so i missed this yesterday https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ1vn85iQRE this actually looks good, and the subtle Fingolfin vs Morgoth reference looks dope.
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Shibawanko posted:I guess the different maps they released must represent different planned seasons then? Since you can't have Numenor and Annuminas at the same time. I mean, going from their "Welcome to the Second Age" comment, it sounds like they might be covering all of (or most of) the Second Age, and all of the maps basically represent Middle Earth in the Second Age at one point or another. And actually, thinking back. There's really only two maps. The one that was slowly revealed culminating in yesterday's map, and the map they revealed today which is markedly different and pre-Akallabeth.
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Mahoning posted:I mean, going from their "Welcome to the Second Age" comment, it sounds like they might be covering all of (or most of) the Second Age, and all of the maps basically represent Middle Earth in the Second Age at one point or another. There is no way they pass up the chance to film an island being drowned by an act of god. We will see the akallabeth and then the forming of the kindoms in exile WoodrowSkillson fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Mar 7, 2019 |
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Mahoning posted:Well it’s rumored to be the most expensive television show ever made. So I imagine that means the acting and production values will be good. So the only question then is the writing. The rights weren't cheap and given inflation and how costs are generally rising in TV production that's not saying anything remarkable, especially if they've guaranteed a certain run of episodes (which they have to with the upfront expense setting things up). You'd be surprised how expensive some seriously cheap and tacky-looking shows are these days.
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Shibawanko posted:I guess the different maps they released must represent different planned seasons then? Since you can't have Numenor and Annuminas at the same time. Oh, we know what kind. Ar-Pharazon the Golden
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WoodrowSkillson posted:so i missed this yesterday It looks like it'll fit perfectly in the post-brexit world war 1/2 obsession and like they'll present the war as a straight up allegory...
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Oh, we know what kind. Ar-Pharazon the Golden the piss scroll is real Shibawanko posted:It looks like it'll fit perfectly in the post-brexit world war 1/2 obsession and like they'll present the war as a straight up allegory... ah yes, Britain has only been obsessed with WW1/2 after Brexit.
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Mar 7, 2019 18:09
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Pham Nuwen posted:the piss scroll is real Sure but my impression is that it definitely got worse after, with movies like Dunkirk and Darkest Hour and so on, which this movie seems to resemble somewhat. Looking at the map some more: the smudgy area south of Mirkwood now looks to me like it might be the Entwives' gardens, since they were supposed to be in the brown lands. It also seems like the white mountains in Gondor have a different shape on the western side. Eregion is present, Mordor is unnamed. It also kind of feels like Numenor is in a weird location and smaller than it should be. I'd like to see a higher resolution version of it.
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Shibawanko posted:Sure but my impression is that it definitely got worse after, with movies like Dunkirk and Darkest Hour and so on, which this movie seems to resemble somewhat. This is VERY high-res: https://www.amazon.com/adlp/lotronprime?fbclid=IwAR0aNU6xey0wYM2bzLBFEVaWF3Qn0rU7kO453OJtFEcMjtENVkBMsi78Vyc
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Do we know if the Tolkien Estate has buy in on this? Will they be allowed to use Aldarion and Erendis or will it be appendices only
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cheetah7071 posted:Do we know if the Tolkien Estate has buy in on this? Will they be allowed to use Aldarion and Erendis or will it be appendices only The Akallabeth is Silmarillion, and the map they are using for Numenor is from the Lost Tales. my understanding is Christopher has ceded his position as guardian of the estate, or at least as whatever gatekeeper position controls the movie/tv rights, and the rest of the family has been all about getting that royalty cash, as is their right.
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cheetah7071 posted:Do we know if the Tolkien Estate has buy in on this? Will they be allowed to use Aldarion and Erendis or will it be appendices only They paid the Tolkien Estate $250 million for the rights.
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I hope they don't finally kill off the entwives on screen.
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Mahoning posted:Well it’s rumored to be the most expensive television show ever made. So I imagine that means the acting and production values will be good. So the only question then is the writing. If Game of Thrones is anything to judge by, the writing will largely be poo poo. Actually Got did have some good unique dialogue early in the shows existence but it got hackier and hackier the longer the show went to the point that you could tell when it wasn't dialogue written by GRMM because it sucked. You can kinda tell that in the Lotr movies too. Someone will say something that sounds unusually eloquent and then you'll remember that's because it's a line that is almost word for word from the actual books  .
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What I'm more excited about is the legion of nerds who get mad when they don't use an all white cast as though skin color loving matters in Middle Earth. There is gonna be a black elf played by like zazie beetz and the nerds will rage.
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The relentless categorization of everyone into endless subdivisions of race (with all the good ones being white) was actually very important to the writing of middle earth There aren't black elves but there should have been, is what I'm saying, and a TV show seems like a reasonable place to do it
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cheetah7071 posted:The relentless categorization of everyone into endless subdivisions of race (with all the good ones being white) was actually very important to the writing of middle earth There is literally no reason there can't be. Tolkien did not entirely get that modeling his fantasy world really accurately to the real world would play out as it did. People from all over the world were in Beleriand when it sank, and there is like a handful of elves who actually had their skin colors described, so even within his arbitrary assignments of color you can make it work, and tbh it should just be ignored wholesale. I'm down for black Tar-Ministir asian Cirdan.
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10 Ways Black Cirdan Is More Important Than Ever In Trump's America Edit: I don't give a single solitary gently caress what color elves are, I would just love it if they didn't give EVERYONE some form of English accent. I actually really liked how the 1977 Hobbit gave the Elf-king some weird Nordic accent. Pham Nuwen fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Mar 7, 2019 |
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Shibawanko posted:It also kind of feels like Numenor is in a weird location and smaller than it should be. Indeed, it is too far south (should be around the latitude of the bay of Belfalas) and too small (it’s about 750 miles across, so should be about twice the length of the distance from Bree to Rivendell — on the map they’re about the same).
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cheetah7071 posted:The relentless categorization of everyone into endless subdivisions of race (with all the good ones being white) was actually very important to the writing of middle earth Look, it says right on the label, "Moriquendi," Dark Elves Pham Nuwen posted:
They'll hire a bunch of actors from all over the globe then make them all speak in New Zealand accents. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Mar 7, 2019 |
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Mar 7, 2019 19:59
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Black Celeborn. Mixed-race Arwen. The Nerd rage would be fantastic.
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skasion posted:Indeed, it is too far south (should be around the latitude of the bay of Belfalas) and too small (it’s about 750 miles across, so should be about twice the length of the distance from Bree to Rivendell — on the map they’re about the same). 
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skasion posted:Indeed, it is too far south (should be around the latitude of the bay of Belfalas) and too small (it’s about 750 miles across, so should be about twice the length of the distance from Bree to Rivendell — on the map they’re about the same). my atlas of middle earth book shows it at pretty much exactly that location. 
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WoodrowSkillson posted:so i missed this yesterday I thought Derek Jacobi was dead but I'm glad I'm wrong, who is he supposed to be ehhhh
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euphronius posted:Honestly feeling lukewarm about this. oh it's going to be so much worse than we can imagine Worst thing about it: when the films came out I could at least take refuge in the silmarillion This poo poo comes out there's no corner left for nerdery to escape to
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Race/racism is very important in Tolkien's writing, and how we react and respond to race/racism is very important in modern society. Colour-blind casting would be a massive waste in an adaptation to a visual medium. "Tokenism" or what have you would effectively whitewash the more uncomfortable aspects of the stories. Sam should be black or Indian, and Frodo and the other posh hobbits white, for example. Lampshade this poo poo so people more-easily understand the class issues at hand.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:oh it's going to be so much worse than we can imagine Don't worry book readers always get to lord it over show/movie watchers no matter the work
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