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gently caress, I forgot to put Batista/Triple H and Shane/Miz on there. (both singles matches, the latter of which may end up as the worst match ever on a WM card)
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Either AJ and Orton get put into the world title match or they get a random one on one match at Mania
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KungFu Grip posted:Either AJ and Orton get put into the world title match or they get a random one on one match at Mania Company has too many guys/gals and too many belts.
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KungFu Grip posted:Either AJ and Orton get put into the world title match or they get a random one on one match at Mania Meltzer said/speculated AJ vs Orton and Samoa vs Cena at Wrestlemania.
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Assuming all main roster titles get defended that's 10 matches right there. Then they have the two battle royals, AJ vs Orton, Miz vs Shane, and Batista vs HHH.
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fatherofmustard posted:Assuming all main roster titles get defended that's 10 matches right there. Then they have the two battle royals, AJ vs Orton, Miz vs Shane, and Batista vs HHH. Probably want a Reigns match too.
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Doesn't Angle need a retirement match? I thought I read that he was in bad shape and wanted to do one. Cena/Angle would be a cool storybook retirement match.
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Mar 7, 2019 03:43
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Gaz-L posted:the latter of which may end up as the worst match ever on a WM card) uh why? the miz is well respected everywhere and shane is the best wrestler in the world but seriously why, they consistently put out better work than half the people on any card they're on and you're implying they're going to be worse than about a thousand genuinely awful WM matches over the years
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Mar 7, 2019 15:32
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3 fatal 4-way tag matches sounds like hell.
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brian posted:uh why? People still believe Dave and Bryan's dogshit that Miz is a bad wrestler even though he's one of the top talents in the world.
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Mar 7, 2019 16:04
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Your Parents posted:People still believe Dave and Bryan's dogshit that Miz is a bad wrestler even though he's one of the top talents in the world. Aaaahahahaha. Okay.
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Mar 7, 2019 16:07
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I mean he's definitely up there? There aren't many people with a better level of consistency over the last few years, obviously he's very safe and so on but he's miles ahead of a huge amount of people on promo and in-ring character work and doing matches built around those things.
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Mar 7, 2019 16:17
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The Miz made people care about Damien Sandow and Alex Riley (and Daniel Bryan  )He also had a feud with Dolph Ziggler that people were invested in!
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Mar 7, 2019 16:24
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The Miz is a really good wrestler who gets people invested in the most random of poo poo, however he "wrestles like a coward" &cetera meaning that he can't get full marks for being a top talent.
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Mar 7, 2019 16:32
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Miz has really good character work but isn't exactly a flashy wrestler. He does great as a heel/patsy because of that, but his fiery face stuff suffers for it. Dude elevates better wrestlers but I don't think he's the reason why people get excited about a match. That's still a pretty drat good wrestler tho. Shane is just a couple of stupid spots wrapped in nostalgia with a big suspension of disbelief bow.
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Mar 7, 2019 17:14
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Dave and Bryans problem with Miz seem to be they feel he lacks any crispness or impact in his moves. Basically that his stuff doesn't look like it hurts and that's a deal breaker for them. I understand what they mean as he doesn't move or strike with fluidity and power, but I also think that's being numb from watching tons of their preferred style of wrestling. They also think he lacks credibility in the ring, which seems a more valid complaint. They are also immune to his virtues as a performer as Dave has an aversion to comedic wrestling.
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Just don't ask Miz to catch anyone and he's perfectly fine.
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Kenny omega gets 6*s and he’s a comedy wrestler so I think this is just Dave’s wwe bias again
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brian posted:uh why? The only things Shane can do are bad strikes and jumping off high things, and the only things Miz can do are bad strikes and failing to catch people.
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Mar 7, 2019 18:12
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wrestling doesn't have to be about wrestling though, especially for a match with a comedy storyline in the middle of a big card all shane has to do is bad strikes and jump off things and get carried by Miz's character and psychology work in what will probably be a very tightly planned match it's probably going to be the match that is considerably better than that one you were expecting to be great but they ruined because they made them do 3 5 minute headlock sequences and ended with a run in double low blow by the returning J&J security brian fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Mar 7, 2019 |
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Mar 7, 2019 19:20
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The best part of Shane matches are when he does really sloppy strikes and chain wrestling and wrestlers look baffled at about how good and fast he is. Then he jumps off something and injures himself immediately.
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Mar 7, 2019 19:29
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I think Miz sucks but he works really hard and I can appreciate that. Thanks Miz for your hard work
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Mar 7, 2019 19:36
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Miz feels like he's a great worker but not a great wrestler. Like, his character work is great and he can raise himself to the level of talent that he is working with but he's safe and boring on his own. Everything he does looks obviously worked. He can elevate a match and makes people look good but he's not a name that makes me want to watch a match.
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Mar 7, 2019 19:36
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IcePhoenix posted:He also had a feud with Dolph Ziggler that people were invested in! That was only because people hoped Dolph was actually leaving.
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Mar 7, 2019 19:46
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yea ok posted:I think Miz sucks but he works really hard and I can appreciate that. Thanks Miz for your hard work This. Miz is not good, but he tries. Except on catching dives. But Shane is loving terrible, and gases after a light jog. Miz is not AJ Styles, he can't bump around like a pinball and do a bunch of highspots to drag a 3 star match out of Vince's baby boy.
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Mar 7, 2019 21:47
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Gaz-L posted:This. i think miz can do all that he just doesnt
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Gumball Gumption posted:Miz feels like he's a great worker but not a great wrestler. Like, his character work is great and he can raise himself to the level of talent that he is working with but he's safe and boring on his own. Everything he does looks obviously worked. He can elevate a match and makes people look good but he's not a name that makes me want to watch a match. Miz is what you'd call a "wrestler's wrestler".
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Mar 7, 2019 22:04
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I'm maybe being silly when I call him one of the top talents in the world but maybe not, now that I'm thinking more deeply about it. Dave and Bryan both steadfastly insist the opposite and say "oh he's a great talker but a bad promo" but no one gets me to believe an angle more or hope the heel gets their comeuppance more than miz. I always want to see his matches because he sells the hell out of them and does a lot of good heel things. I think there's a disparity in how people see what makes someone a good worker, where it is still about doing cool moves more than anything else for a lot of people. it's a different appeal, I guess, from people who have great facial expressions, body movement, character work, that sort of thing. It's all "wrestling" but there's a heavy focus on the choreography of the performance moreso than the character stuff. I don't think it makes Miz an overall bad wrestler because he's 80/20 in one direction and every other great wrestler is 80/20 in the other direction
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Mar 7, 2019 22:13
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Miz would have a great match against Tomohiro Ishii and every single one of you knows this b/c Miz rules at selling + being a conniving dickhead and Ishii rules at being a loving monster + selling shock imo anyway Miz was legit good in the Ziggler feud and the only reason he isn’t still the best is because he has lovely chemistry with a lot of his singles opponents these days e: also WWE booking sucks lmao
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It's also why someone like matt riddle as an example is so electrifying as a performer because he's like 100 on both sides and his character is naturally inseparable from his ring work
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Venomous posted:Miz would have a great match against Tomohiro Ishii and every single one of you knows this b/c Miz rules at selling + being a conniving dickhead and Ishii rules at being a loving monster + selling shock imo Miz vs Ishii might be my favorite dream match that will never happen. Holy poo poo.
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Mar 7, 2019 22:15
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Ishii is great because one time I was drunk and couldn't remember "Stone Pitbull" and kept thinking his nickname was Rock Lobster.
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Your Parents posted:I'm maybe being silly when I call him one of the top talents in the world but maybe not, now that I'm thinking more deeply about it. Dave's favourite wrestlers are guys like Flair, Rock, Bret and Tanahashi. Guys who are absolutely about storytelling and expression and selling. It's not making GBS threads on Michael Mizanin to say he's great at everything BUT the wrestling part of wrestling. And he's definitely gotten better over the years, I'm not kidding when I say he tries, he's clearly passionate but it's very, very rare that I think "I can't wait to see that Miz match" and a lot of his better matches are multi-person affairs where he's honestly not really doing much to make the match better or worse beyond being another body to do spots with between restholds. That one Ziggler match to blow off their feud was great, but it feels like lightning in a bottle. If other people genuinely love Miz matches, then that's great and I hope Miz/Shane lives up to your expectations. I always like it when things are good instead of bad, but past experience has taught me to have low hopes for this.
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Venomous posted:Miz would have a great match against Tomohiro Ishii and every single one of you knows this b/c Miz rules at selling + being a conniving dickhead and Ishii rules at being a loving monster + selling shock imo I would enjoy seeing Big Tom murdering the Miz, yes, but I would like to see him murder many other people more. No-one's arguing that Miz can't be carried (although some people seem to be arguing that he carries better workers somehow which...  ), just that Miz is not a great worker, and isn't going to be able to make a truly terrible one like Shane McMahon look good.
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Gaz-L posted:Dave's favourite wrestlers are guys like Flair, Rock, Bret and Tanahashi. Guys who are absolutely about storytelling and expression and selling. It's not making GBS threads on Michael Mizanin to say he's great at everything BUT the wrestling part of wrestling. And he's definitely gotten better over the years, I'm not kidding when I say he tries, he's clearly passionate but it's very, very rare that I think "I can't wait to see that Miz match" and a lot of his better matches are multi-person affairs where he's honestly not really doing much to make the match better or worse beyond being another body to do spots with between restholds. That one Ziggler match to blow off their feud was great, but it feels like lightning in a bottle. Yeah Dave's favorite wrestlers are the once in a lifetime talents of a generation and his friend the rock
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Big Huski Boi posted:Ishii is great because one time I was drunk and couldn't remember "Stone Pitbull" and kept thinking his nickname was Rock Lobster. Ishii coming out to the B-52s would probably kill a lot of his badassery. Then again, if he were to ever wrestle for DDT...
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Like let's be honest here. The Rock is exactly as talented as the Miz he's just physically larger and more attractive. Miz may be the better in ring.
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Your Parents posted:People still believe Dave and Bryan's dogshit that Miz is a bad wrestler even though he's one of the top talents in the world. 
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Gumball Gumption posted:Miz feels like he's a great worker but not a great wrestler. Like, his character work is great and he can raise himself to the level of talent that he is working with but he's safe and boring on his own. Everything he does looks obviously worked. He can elevate a match and makes people look good but he's not a name that makes me want to watch a match. The thing is, that being a basic-rear end WWE-style wrestler can get you to really good matches, but Miz still doesn't do that. The most athletic move Becky Lynch does is a dropkick from the top rope and she has some good-rear end matches. No matter how good Miz is on the mic, nothing he really says makes me want to see a match with him in it. He is entertaining on his own, but I don't know that the "promotion" part of his promos works simply because he has a very long history of matches nobody cares about and which weren't particularly memorable.
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It's hard to get invested in Miz's mic work, because your reward for being invested is watching Miz wrestle.
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