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Really the whole notion of "we can stop/do/change [x]" is pretty silly cos you actually can't, history is determined by systemic effects far too vast to be controlled by any individual or organization that exists. Things happen until they can't happen any more and then slightly different things happen. The difference between it being physically impossible to stop something and merely requiring a fundamental shift in the nature of society to stop something is pretty academic. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Mar 8, 2019 |
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JFairfax posted:Antarctica is a continent and as such won't melt. Nah I live in the Arctic and there's like 2m of snow outside, I spent an hour digging out the driveway yesterday. Explain that if you can, climate change affirmers. e: The Norwegian Ice Service runs a depressing twitter account that posts every day to tell you how many 10,000s of square kilometres the Arctic ice expanse is below the historical average. https://twitter.com/Istjenesten/status/1103304664697761793 But today we're actually slightly above the mean! https://twitter.com/Istjenesten/status/1104020417646342145 ee: vvv Sorry Ace, don't read this post! big scary monsters fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Mar 8, 2019 |
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Mar 8, 2019 18:51
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JFairfax posted:if the status quo is poo poo for you, why vote to continue it? Because the alternative is far worse. I don't understand why people think "different" means "better". I think my life is pretty mediocre but it could be far worse so I don't risk changing it. Then again, I am pretty aware that if everyone was like me, mankind would still be hunter-gatherers. seizure later posted:Don't suppose you've read the climate change paper that's been sending people to therapy because it says we're already too late to stop it and that societal collapse is imminent within the next decade, have you? Yup. My dad was* getting his PhD in climate change and he said it was "alarmist nonsense" and my therapist refuses to discuss it because "we don't talk about 'content'. Only your reaction to things matters here". I try to avoid any news about climate change because it puts me in a depressive spiral. * He ended up giving up on his thesis, despite having spent years of flying to climate conferences. I have no idea if he's hiding something or if he got fleeced. AceOfFlames fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Mar 8, 2019 |
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Mar 8, 2019 18:56
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JFairfax posted:Brexit: EU says Britain can leave backstop but Northern Ireland must stay I predicted that they would do this months ago, May will turn around and tell the DUP to loving lump it at the last minute. Lets see if it happens..... EU <3 NI EU </3 UK
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Mar 8, 2019 18:58
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hey does anyone have any advice on stuff to do if your job is making you miserable and have no prospects for anything better (other than drink)
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Mar 8, 2019 19:00
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:hey does anyone have any advice on stuff to do if your job is making you miserable and have no prospects for anything better (other than drink) video games
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:hey does anyone have any advice on stuff to do if your job is making you miserable and have no prospects for anything better (other than drink) My job is pretty chill but I am bored as hell and no one cares about what I do or not do. So even if your job is perfect like mine, it will not make you happy. HTH. Marxist-Jezzinist posted:I think im breaking down in slow motion because its looking like its this until I die lol 
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OwlFancier posted:video games
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I think im breaking down in slow motion because its looking like its this until I die lol
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Mar 8, 2019 19:02
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OwlFancier posted:Really the whole notion of "we can stop/do/change [x]" is pretty silly cos you actually can't, history is determined by systemic effects far too vast to be controlled by any individual or organization that exists. Things happen until they can't happen any more and then slightly different things happen. At very least they can try to ensure that when bad things (like capitalism) become impossible it's good things (like socialism) that replace them, instead of even worse things (like fascism). If they don't try, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
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Mar 8, 2019 19:04
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Guavanaut posted:tbh that's good advice for all types of relationships. Yeah, and if you only have an hour to do an entire sex ed course then it's a pretty good choice for what to focus on. That's the thing about sex ed at my school, what was there was good but there was so drat little of it.
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that is the proletarian experience unfortunately, we're all in the same boat if it's any consolation?
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OwlFancier posted:Killing yourself seems like a weird response to panic tbh. Marxist-Jezzinist posted:I think im breaking down in slow motion because its looking like its this until I die lol It's not a response to panic, it's a response to this. Marxist-Jezzinist posted:hey does anyone have any advice on stuff to do if your job is making you miserable and have no prospects for anything better (other than drink)
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Mar 8, 2019 19:07
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AceOfFlames posted:Because the alternative is far worse. I don't understand why people think "different" means "better". I think my life is pretty mediocre but it could be far worse so I don't risk changing it. yeah, your life is mediocre - you have a job, a stable situation, hell you are even getting therapy for your mental health issues. we're not talking about people like you, we're talking about people who have lot less to lose than you with your comfortably mediocre life.
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:hey does anyone have any advice on stuff to do if your job is making you miserable and have no prospects for anything better (other than drink) Study, do an Open University course or two. Goals are great, I never used to set them, but I used being out of work from my awful recruitment job to finish up my degree and now I am doing a masters course. You don't have to go that far, but studying as an adult is great, and you can actually chose to study things that might give you some new skills to enhance your job prospects.
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apologies for the whines
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Borrovan posted:This is true but extremely counrerrevolutionary. Individuals and organisations are still subsets of the broader system, and can influence the process of things becoming (or becoming seen to be) impossible. Eh, I would suggest that it's still down to dumb luck. You can't willpower your way out of capitalism, it has to produce its own demise, to find itself in a situation where it can no longer be stable, as was the case with what preceded it. Conditions change and render previous forms of social organization untenable and new ones form in response to the new conditions. If you get fascism it's because fascism is tenable (fascism is never tenable for very long) and if you keep reverting back to capitalism or finding yourself creating weird and wobbly rules and artificial conditions to sustain your alternative then that also suggests you aren't at the point where capitalism has completely hosed itself and your desired alternative is sustainable. There's lots you can do on an individual or even political level to make things better for people and perhaps push the scales a little in your preferred direction but I find it helpful for perspective to abandon the notion of personal agency or "if only everyone at once could see what I see they would immediately do a revolution and fix everything" because you don't have agency and that's never gonna happen, you live in a society that prevents that kind of coherent shared perspective and until that changes it's not gonna happen. It's not to encourage hopelessness but rather that you don't stand on the beach and scream at the tide. You accept the nature of things and while you can retain the conception of how you might prefer the world to be, it's better I think for individual health to try to strike a balance between having a sense of a better world without the inevitably disappointing need to actualize it right this minute and by your own hand. If you go around thinking "god everyone's just so STUPID they keep missing all these chances to fix things" then you don't quite get how systemic factors shape society. People can't just all together choose differently, any more than all the atoms in your body might randomly decide to vibrate upwards and let you fly. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Mar 8, 2019 |
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:apologies for the whines Nah whining is fine if it helps you feel better. I mean it when I say we're all in the same boat, it does help me a little bit to think that I'm not the only one having those problems.
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JFairfax posted:Study, do an Open University course or two. Alternatively, try and fill your non-work life with cool stuff to counterbalance. Hobbies are good. So is helping others. Have you considered agitating for class war?
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:apologies for the whines dude that's what this thread is for, you never need to apologize for that poo poo. solidarity man.
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OwlFancier posted:It's not to encourage hopelessness but rather that you don't stand on the beach and scream at the tide. You accept the nature of things and while you can retain the conception of how you might prefer the world to be, it's better I think for individual health to try to strike a balance between having a sense of a better world without the inevitably disappointing need to actualize it right this minute and by your own hand.
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Guavanaut posted:Wu wei. What's that? E: oh taoism, I know nothing about taoism.
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Both a contemplative activity in Taoism that can help you deal with the feeble strength of one and also a terrible set of political ideals that came out of an attempt to apply it to statecraft.
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OwlFancier posted:I find it helpful for perspective to abandon the notion of personal agency or "if only everyone at once could see what I see they would immediately do a revolution and fix everything" because you don't have agency and that's never gonna happen, you live in a society that prevents that kind of coherent shared perspective and until that changes it's not gonna happen. OwlFancier posted:it's better I think for individual health to try to strike a balance between having a sense of a better world without the inevitably disappointing need to actualize it right this minute and by your own hand.
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Borrovan posted:Yeah genuine lack of any prospects to make your work life better is a rare one, barring disability or caring responsibilities. It might be (totally unfairly) difficult, but not impossible. I was studying at the local college last year but my manager moved my shifts so I'm toasting sandwiches instead of getting a gcse lol I just started going to an anti-fascist boxing club, going to do more of that if I can get some shifts swapped Thanks for your understanding comrades, think I just needed to put that sense of despair for the future into words somewhere
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OwlFancier posted:E: oh taoism, I know nothing about taoism.
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I think Theresa May is attempting the political version by doing nothing and not listening to advisers, but she's missing the serene calm you're supposed to have while your state's on fire.
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:I just started going to an anti-fascist boxing club, I need more details on this. I'm imagining some hi-NRG remix of the Internationale playing in the background at all times
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happyhippy posted:I predicted that they would do this months ago, May will turn around and tell the DUP to loving lump it at the last minute. But howwwwwwww? Are they saying NI is going to have to leave the UK? Because I don't see how you otherwise avoid a weird hosed up society with two levels of citizens. The EU elite of NI and the chlorine chicken eaters of the rUK.
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https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1104085303445344260 That pardon lasted long
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Failed Imagineer posted:I need more details on this. I'm imagining some hi-NRG remix of the Internationale playing in the background at all times Its run by come local antifa people and it's mostly running around a sweaty church hall and shadowboxing while a terrifying skinhead yells encouragement The antifascist thing is it's explicitly about making everyone a more effective antifascist. Developing comradeship and stuff I guess
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1104085303445344260 well ignoring a subpoena sounds like risky move. I am surprised she stayed in the USA tbh
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:Its run by come local antifa people and it's mostly running around a sweaty church hall and shadowboxing while a terrifying skinhead yells encouragement and learning how to punch nazis effectively. i want to punch some nazis.
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If I had to suggest a value to trying I would probably emphasise the benefit of doing so on a more human level than all of society. Individuals do exist but they're limited to stuff like you, your friends, your family and that. I guess Thatcher was right in that there are indivduals and there are families but she's wrong in that this isn't what shapes the world, and there does exist a societal layer on top of that. You have a fair bit of agency with how you deal with the individuals in your life and I'd suggest that doing so in a good way can be an important element in maintaining your own mental health, but it's never gonna change the world. If it helps though, you can mean as much to someone else as someone else can mean to you, if you do the right thing. Which is a nice thought, even if not world changing.
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JFairfax posted:well ignoring a subpoena sounds like risky move. I thought she was doing okay for herself with the media circuit and such, and anyway with Putin being best friends with Trump it's not like she had many places to hide.
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:The antifascist thing is it's explicitly about making everyone a more effective antifascist. Developing comradeship and stuff I guess And presumably more effective right hooks.
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JFairfax posted:and learning how to punch nazis effectively. Seriously though. I haven't done punch sport in ages but I'm seriously considering getting back into it just in order to be not completely useless when the rioting starts.
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OwlFancier posted:And presumably more effective right hooks. And jabs
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i recommend reading the tao te ching, it's short as hell (i would guess it's under a thousand words). i always remember: do you want to own the world, to control it? i do not think it can be done. the world is a sacred vessel - it cannot be controlled. the more you grasp it, the more it slips between your fingers. i think of that a lot when i'm feeling powerless or excessively anxious.
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I don't think I'd be any good at combat sports because I find it hard to separate hitting people from wanting to murder them. Which is why I don't hit people.
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