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The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

Has Yang done anything specifically racist, like those news letters that Ron Paul totally didn’t write pre 2008?

Cuz if not, support for him looks to me like the reason Musk fans love Elon so much; they’ll grab onto anyone who seems like a business genius cuz if turns out that all the billionaires are just parasites, they might have to rethink their worship of capitalism.

That UBI is a socialist idea doesn’t seem to register with them.

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BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

The Atomic Man-Boy posted:

Has Yang done anything specifically racist, like those news letters that Ron Paul totally didn’t write pre 2008?

Cuz if not, support for him looks to me like the reason Musk fans love Elon so much; they’ll grab onto anyone who seems like a business genius cuz if turns out that all the billionaires are just parasites, they might have to rethink their worship of capitalism.
right. they're opportunists.

Farm Frenzy
Jan 3, 2007

is yang just the first not-socialist to talk extensively about a ubi

Dmitri-9
Nov 30, 2004

There's something really sexy about Scrooge McDuck. I love Uncle Scrooge.
UBI still has two major problems: it still runs into the iron law of wages and UBI recipients without jobs cannot get concessions from the ruling class by organizing as workers.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Farm Frenzy posted:

is yang just the first not-socialist to talk extensively about a ubi

Zuck has if that counts

Reclines Obesily
Jul 24, 2000



Hey Moona!
Slippery Tilde
i believe last century economists talked about a negative income tax and i know some tech millionaires/billionares support UBI, self preservation reasons i assume.

yangs version has a big problem most UBI plans don’t, he’s funding it through sales tax instead of taxing the rich.

i do wonder if he’ll make the general idea of UBI more popular tho

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"

Farm Frenzy posted:

is yang just the first not-socialist to talk extensively about a ubi

libertarians have been talking about it for a while but it's always been to them a way to get rid of everything else

Farm Frenzy
Jan 3, 2007

Jose posted:

Zuck has if that counts

Panzeh posted:

libertarians have been talking about it for a while but it's always been to them a way to get rid of everything else

as a candidate, i mean. it makes sense that hes getting a big boost for just phrasing everything in a vaguely lib way

Reclines Obesily
Jul 24, 2000



Hey Moona!
Slippery Tilde

Slugnoid posted:

australia got through the GFC unscathed because kevin rudd gave each and every australian a cheque in the mail for $900.00

oh man i forgot about this, i remember that money it owned.

yanggang2020

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Farm Frenzy posted:

as a candidate, i mean. it makes sense that hes getting a big boost for just phrasing everything in a vaguely lib way

Yeah I thought that's what you meant it's why I included the if it counts

Reclines Obesily
Jul 24, 2000



Hey Moona!
Slippery Tilde


funny seeing the usual alt right meme aesthetics transfer over to yang

wojack
hats
vehicles
80s

Kit Walker
Jul 10, 2010
"The Man Who Cannot Deadlift"

Reclines Obesily posted:



funny seeing the usual alt right meme aesthetics transfer over to yang

wojack
hats
vehicles
80s

And as usual, they’re aesthetics they’ve stolen from elsewhere, don’t understand why they’re effective, and use them in a poor, ugly way

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004


Doing the same thing for Bernie would be an effective way to sabotage his campaign.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

the silver shirts in the U.S. looked like this:



L

Reclines Obesily
Jul 24, 2000



Hey Moona!
Slippery Tilde
watched a few of his videos, i can see why people like him. good speaker, doesnt sound like he has dementia like trump and is a tech bro that doesnt talk like zuck and elon

here he is talking about men and in particular ones that spend all day playing video games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tuJ0phjFys&t=1479s

Tokamak posted:

Doing the same thing for Bernie would be an effective way to sabotage his campaign.

wouldn’t work, commie aesthetic too strong

cool dance moves
Aug 27, 2018


BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

i think a lot of the fascist support for yang is like a spitting image of that nihilist meme from a few years ago:



see:

https://twitter.com/CptBlackPill/status/1102979179207888902
i don't know what to add about nihilism but maybe this:

in summary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_29yvYpf4w

I've been reading two books that got me thinking about this. The first one is The Good Soldier Švejk by Jaroslav Hašek, and the second is Journey to the End of the Night by Céline.

The two books are pretty similar in that they both satirize their respective societies during World War I--Hašek is mocking Austria-Hungary, Céline is looking at France. Both authors served in that war too, and were politically active; Hašek was an anarchist, Céline ended up a Nazi collaborator.

What strikes me is how different the two books are tonally. Journey to the End of the Night is all nihilistic humor, while Good Soldier Švejk is about reducing those in power to absurd stereotypes while the protagonist dances circles around them. So the impression I get is Céline is crying and yelling "I'm not crying!! I'm actually laughing!! This is all funny to me!! I don't care!! I don't!!" While Hašek actually doesn't care and is gonna make this character stick his finger in cat poo poo because it's funny and silly. So Céline is railing against a world that hurt him and insisting that no, hes fine; Hašek can see how bullshit the world actually is and laughs at it without feeling the need to soothe his feelings with nihilism. Which of course fed into their political views too.

Furthermore, could you supersize those French fries please?

Reclines Obesily
Jul 24, 2000



Hey Moona!
Slippery Tilde
man this poo poo is great to read tho, if nothing else the rise of yang in their communities is causing splits

https://twitter.com/LearbuchDaniel/status/1103874935863169031
https://twitter.com/borzoopovic/status/1104622711626780672
https://twitter.com/borzoopovic/status/1104620617259773955

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Just chiming in to say that the Nazis falling over themselves to embrace socialism if it helps their twitch careers is hilarious

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 23 days!)

I wonder why the guy who has never worked a day in his life values ideals over money. :thunk:

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

Tokamak posted:

Doing the same thing for Bernie would be an effective way to sabotage his campaign.

I’d be happy to see the alt-right sink the Silicon Valley VC guy.

I’d hate too see centrist democrats attach themselves to him if Kamala flounders early and Biden gets #MeToo’d out of existence.

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

These shirts are incredibly fitting for fascists and should make a comeback

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost
Not getting the wall really broke some brains over in Trumpland.

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


gonna lol hard when the alt right irony poison themselves into voting for a democrat

01011001
Dec 26, 2012

Agean90 posted:

gonna lol hard when the alt right irony poison themselves into voting for a democrat

he’s gonna get his rear end kicked in the primary and tbey’ll sidle back to the only game in town

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 23 days!)

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
so if im understanding it properly this yang thing is about the nazi neets wanting a raise in their allowance????

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

If you live in a basement and never go out, you can survive on $1k a month in certain places.

Bushiz
Sep 21, 2004

The #1 Threat to Ba Sing Se

Grimey Drawer
Yang makes perfect sense for anyone who wasn't in it exclusively to trigger the libs. Like obviously the trump presidency has been a failure to uplift the white race or whatever, so we can't do that anymore (they'll get swept back in to exclusively grievance politics later). These people are ideologically incapable of recognizing capitalism as the problem, so they can't go left. But Yang offers a bunch of solutions to no-brainer fringe problems and injustices without ever critiquing the core of capitalism, like paying NCAA athletes and mall revitalization, that it could trick you into thinking he might actually have a structural solution.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 23 days!)

lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjFyGVc8E3U

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


FOR MONTHS YOU HAVE BEEN ASKING, WHO IS ANDREW YANG?

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

I haven't been on SA for years but the person who gave me my previous av as a joke felt guilty for doing so and decided to get me a non-shitty av
https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/1104755066555244544

Just shameful

SpaceGoku
Jul 19, 2011

finally, we've figured out what the "M" in M Theory actually stands for

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010


A good comic.

e: Oh it's an edit.

3D Megadoodoo has issued a correction as of 17:56 on Mar 10, 2019

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

SpaceGoku posted:

finally, we've figured out what the "M" in M Theory actually stands for

The theoretical foundation of the immortal science.

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

Bushiz posted:

Yang makes perfect sense for anyone who wasn't in it exclusively to trigger the libs. Like obviously the trump presidency has been a failure to uplift the white race or whatever, so we can't do that anymore (they'll get swept back in to exclusively grievance politics later). These people are ideologically incapable of recognizing capitalism as the problem, so they can't go left. But Yang offers a bunch of solutions to no-brainer fringe problems and injustices without ever critiquing the core of capitalism, like paying NCAA athletes and mall revitalization, that it could trick you into thinking he might actually have a structural solution.

Yang’s platform is also a grab bag of different policies so that there’s crossover appeal. The racists aren’t paying attention to him supporting HCBUs, pathway to citizenship, getting rid of private prisons, or pardoning all non-violent drug offenders. The libertarians aren’t seeing his Medicare for All plank or that his UBI scheme is supposed to coexist with existing social programs.

Sax Solo
Feb 18, 2011



Dmitri-9 posted:

UBI still has two major problems: it still runs into the iron law of wages and UBI recipients without jobs cannot get concessions from the ruling class by organizing as workers.

I don't see how it doesn't end up in landlords' pockets? If I was a landlord and a $1k/mo UBI passed, I'd raise my rents $1000. You afforded it before, you can afford it now.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

I wonder why the guy who has never worked a day in his life values ideals over money. :thunk:

and supposedly is in Nederlands?

univbee
Jun 3, 2004




Sax Solo posted:

I don't see how it doesn't end up in landlords' pockets? If I was a landlord and a $1k/mo UBI passed, I'd raise my rents $1000. You afforded it before, you can afford it now.

You need to live somewhere where there are legal limits on how much your rent can be raised (here, if you stay put in the same place, legally rent can only be raised 5% a year max).

a.lo
Sep 12, 2009

https://twitter.com/LibertyHangout/status/1104200707517890560

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Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008


*sitting proudly in front of my gender studies science fair project, it's just a big sign that says "women am i right fellas"*

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