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fist4jesus posted:Yup and then terrible real media/video episodes in 97? Oh wow, I distinctly remember the teachers bringing us all together around 97-98 just to tell us not to watch that awful new show called South Park. It was the first time most of us heard of it and, well, Barbra Streisand effect.
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ijii posted:Clark probably didn't have a person willing to take over B5 at the time that knew he was going to murder hundreds of people, including Santiago. So he probably thought the one and only guy who lead the only victory against Minbar was the best choice. Someone who he thought would butt heads against major alien influences and bow down to the human Earth Gov. Minor correction: it wasn't the Psi-Corps salute. Jack gives the same "Be seeing you" wave that Bester gives to Garibaldi at the end of Mind War, to reinforce the idea that Psi-Corps are involved in the conspiracy. That line and gesture were taken from The Prisoner, where it's the traditional farewell in the Village.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Oh wow, I distinctly remember the teachers bringing us all together around 97-98 just to tell us not to watch that awful new show called South Park. https://www.wired.com/1997/10/south-park-webcasters-told-to-stop/ Yeah it was brilliant and there was literally no other way to watch it for us foreign types...well us poors anyway.
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fist4jesus posted:https://www.wired.com/1997/10/south-park-webcasters-told-to-stop/ Oh no, it was airing on Australian TV back then on SBS. All they basically did was tell about 30-40 sweet innocent children NOT to watch this cool sounding and totally wrong show that aired at THIS time on THIS channel. 
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Oh no, it was airing on Australian TV back then on SBS. All they basically did was tell about 30-40 sweet innocent children NOT to watch this cool sounding and totally wrong show that aired at THIS time on THIS channel. Ok withdrawn. That said, no sbs and most of the time no tv where I was living at the time.
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Jedit posted:Minor correction: it wasn't the Psi-Corps salute. Jack gives the same "Be seeing you" wave that Bester gives to Garibaldi at the end of Mind War, to reinforce the idea that Psi-Corps are involved in the conspiracy. That line and gesture were taken from The Prisoner, where it's the traditional farewell in the Village. That and finding out that Bester's first name is Al are my favourite wink and nod moments from the show.
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Before I go on, am I even doing anything positive in putting spoilers on? I feel kind of silly.
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We get enough people coming to the show for the first time that I think it's the decent thing to do.
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Doctor Zero posted:It’s ironic hyperbole or something. Ty. It is kind of amazing he can do anything to do with video manipulation though.
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Mar 10, 2019 19:43
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I'm curating a goon friend through b5, we've done s1 and she loves it, what are the picks of key eps for season 2? We've seen the first episode and been a little sad about Sinclair going.
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Mar 10, 2019 19:47
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wtf, if she loves it just watch it all. Jeez.
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:wtf, if she loves it just watch it all. Jeez.  I sampled a few episodes from Season 1 but Season 2 I started and I just can't stop going through it in order. I don't think there are really episodes you'd like to miss.
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Mar 10, 2019 21:07
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Confirmed ! Season 2 is where you stop skipping episodes.
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Mar 10, 2019 21:14
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Never skip episodes. They are all good.
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Meanwhile I just got to Grey 17 is missing on my rewatch. Thankfully Neroon is part of the B plot to help me get through this. (I honestly think Late Delivery from Avalon is worse)
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sebmojo posted:I'm curating a goon friend through b5, we've done s1 and she loves it, what are the picks of key eps for season 2? We've seen the first episode and been a little sad about Sinclair going. Skipping around on S1 is acceptable. S2 onward, pretty much isn't. There's too much stuff intertwined in there.
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Doctor Zero posted:Skipping around on S1 is acceptable. S2 onward, pretty much isn't. There's too much stuff intertwined in there. hmmmm. To be clear, I've seen it all before, and i don't disagree but our time watching is limited. I will have a look at the ep list. I think we can live without Gropos though.
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sebmojo posted:hmmmm. To be clear, I've seen it all before, and i don't disagree but our time watching is limited. I will have a look at the ep list. I think we can live without Gropos though. Nope. That introduces the new defense grid and has some backstory for Franklin
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sebmojo posted:hmmmm. To be clear, I've seen it all before, and i don't disagree but our time watching is limited. I will have a look at the ep list. I think we can live without Gropos though. Hmm. Well, I've used this in the past as a reference to the bare minimum plot, (mostly for looking up in the script books) maybe this will help? https://www.geek.com/geek-cetera/babylon-5-condensed-how-to-watch-sci-fis-most-intimidating-masterpiece-1613627/
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Doctor Zero posted:Hmm. Well, I've used this in the past as a reference to the bare minimum plot, (mostly for looking up in the script books) maybe this will help? God no. Past the first season you should be watching every episode because there's always something relevant.
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yes there will be an exam at the end of season two so no speed-reading 
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Doctor Zero posted:Skipping around on S1 is acceptable. S2 onward, pretty much isn't. There's too much stuff intertwined in there. There are a few weak episodes, but never without at least one great moment that makes it worth it. Going through the episode list even ones with a weak A plot have a stellar B plot, like Knives. All Alone in the Night has the goofy "secret abduction, team up with a rival" but some absolutely crucial development for the Minbari. I'll say there many things from S1 that never come back in a meaningful way (TKO), but S2 is where literally everything starts getting linked in minor ways, like when the Exploration ship gets lost there's a breadcrumb that leads to major plot stuff. Is there a single S2 episode that doesn't foreshadow something major or relatively significant? pentyne fucked around with this message at 04:07 on Mar 11, 2019 |
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pentyne posted:There are a few weak episodes, but never without at least one great moment that makes it worth it. Going through the episode list even ones with a weak A plot have a stellar B plot, like Knives. All Alone in the Night has the goofy "secret abduction, team up with a rival" but some absolutely crucial development for the Minbari. I am just about to watch Knives and I have yet to encounter an episode that could be utterly removed without a significant loss. Soul Mates, perhaps?
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I am just about to watch Knives and I have yet to encounter an episode that could be utterly removed without a significant loss. Soul Mates, perhaps? I don't think any episode with Londo as the main character could ever be removed.
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pentyne posted:I don't think any episode with Londo as the main character could ever be removed. What do we learn about him there that's unique to that episode?
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Learn, schmearn, if you're not enjoying every second Peter Jurasik is on screen then why are you even watching the show.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I am just about to watch Knives and I have yet to encounter an episode that could be utterly removed without a significant loss. Soul Mates, perhaps? Soul Mates is comedy gold, but it also has some subtle foreshadowing in it. Londo refers to his three wives as Famine, Pestilence and Death. Who do you think is War?
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Not that anything should be skipped from Season 2 onwards, but I'm wondering what would be lost were you to skip A Distant Star or The Long Dark (or is it The Long Night?) Maybe GROPOS as well...
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Why would anyone skip around? Its not like they are making more content.
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:Relaying the latest post on the guy's Facebook group: Argh. He's thinking about this all wrong. More than likely, it was flagged because it looks like footage from a B5 episode. Some low-level person at WB glances at it, thinks it's footage from an episode of B5, and throws it on the pile labelled "monetise with ads", along with the other 20 new B5 vids that were flagged this week. What is not happening: WB intern *sees flagging report*: Ah yes, this matches with stuff in our archive. Wait... *looks more closely* WB intern: Hmm, this looks very high quality... and the description... rendered from the original source files, you say? Wow. I know exactly what that means. Screw my coffee break, I need to get the top brass to look at this. *reaches for red telephone* WB overlord *answering*: This had better be good. WB intern: Yes, hi sir. I know, you said this phone was to be used for emergencies, but this is important. WB overlord: Okay son, give it to me from the top. WB intern: Yes sir. Okay, so as everyone here in the legal department knows, the original source files for the Babylon 5 CGI were thought lost, making high definition renders impossible. WB overlord: Get to the point, son. Every single employee at WB has been briefed on the circumstances of Babylon 5's CGI. We all sat through the Lightwave 5.6 orientation classes, just in case this day ever came. In fact, my refresher is due next week, I hope you're up to date? WB intern: Of course sir, I know how important this is. WB overlord: Good work, son. Okay, go on. WB intern: Well, it looks like someone's got the source files. I've just had a video content-flagged. What do I do? WB overlord: *chuckles softly* They did it. They actually did it. WB intern: They're taking a huge risk, aren't they sir? The full force of the WB legal department could come down on them for having our copyrighted materials. They must know we've been keeping watch for these files for 20 years. WB overlord: Maybe they're testing our response. Hoping to catch a break... *pause* WB overlord: Let it through. WB intern *shocked*: Sir? WB overlord: I think it's time, don't you? Let's send a signal, but one that could be easily misinterpreted as either a conscious decision on our part, or a careless approval by someone who didn't look very closely or understand what any of this means. WB intern: Classic move, sir. Nothing could telegraph our intentions more clearly. WB overlord: Good work, today son. Maybe at last, we'll get that B5 HD remaster that the entire company has been waiting for. Dirty fucked around with this message at 11:16 on Mar 11, 2019 |
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Dirty posted:Argh. He's thinking about this all wrong. More than likely, it was content ID flagged because it looks like footage from a B5 episode. Some low-level person at WB glances at it, thinks it's footage from an episode of B5, and throws it on the pile labelled "monetise with ads", along with the other 20 new B5 vids that were flagged this week. This is so dumb (and great), it could just be true.
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That list trims out way too much. Like, it trims out Shadow Dancing and Comes the Inquisitor! There's trimming out nothing but the vital episodes, and then there's trimming to the vit
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quote:Babylon 5 is the Gravity’s Rainbow of sci-fi television: it’s really long, some of it is widely acknowledged to suck You should know just from the first line in that article that the author has no loving clue what he's talking about
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Torrannor posted:This is so dumb (and great), it could just be true. I'm willing to believe just about anything in regards to this show's behind the scenes drama, at this point.
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:That list trims out way too much. Like, it trims out Shadow Dancing and Comes the Inquisitor! There's trimming out nothing but the vital episodes, and then there's trimming to the vit It cuts out Confessions and Lamentations! It cuts out Divided Loyalties!!!! (Comes the Inquisitor is in the supplementary list, as is DL, but the episode number is typoed) It cuts out Passing Through Gethsemane, which is probably one of the best episodes that television sci fi has ever done
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Just skip straight to Sleeping in Light, the other episodes are just filler.
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Angry Salami posted:Just skip straight to Sleeping in Light, the other episodes are just filler. I really don't get it. If you people are so concerned about wasting time, don't watch it , or anything at all. Hell just read a episode guide, save even more.
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You guys are going bonkers. There’s no “you people”. Nobody is advocating skipping great episodes. I specifically said don’t skip anything after S2 begins. sbmojo asked about recommendations for “must watch” episodes. IMO that article cuts the story down to the bare minimum. I wasn’t advocating it, I’m not saying the author is on to something. I’m just pointing out that if you really have to pare the series down to the bone I’ve used that before. Sheesh
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While it's true that if you cut out parts of the story you're missing out, it's also true that if you don't watch it you miss more. So it can take a while to get someone hooked, and it may be better to run someone through a condensed version of the core story until they get hooked and have the desire to slog through the less core stuff.
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I decided to start reading the original novels based on the series, just out of curiosity as it was a part of the franchise I hadn't previously engaged with. For better or worse I started with the first one, "Voices" by John Vornholdt, and, well...huh. For the most part it feels "off" in a way that a lot of tie-in novels based on shows are when the person writing it doesn't really know a lot about the show or characters. B5 as a setting is hardly used, which is a bit odd considering this is the first book in a series based on a series set on a goddamn space station, in space. instead, the story largely concerns Talia Winters being framed as a terrorist(!) and having to go on the run from Psi-Corp on Earth, so most of the story takes place there and on Mars. We find out Talia has an Uncle on Mars called Ted who's some sort of revolutionary-dissident. The story is full of elements like this that feels thrown in but don't really connect to anything else or have a payoff. There's also a long drawn out diversion in the middle where Talia escapes captivity with this guy and hangs out at a hippy commune in the desert for a while, before both of these story points are dropped and never referred to again. I did think it was funny that Bester uses a lot of British idioms, e.g. "Not bloody likely!" as if the writer wasn't sure where he was supposed to be from and just assumed evil dude = English. There was one amazing part which made me stop reading out of sheer disbelief. It's when Talia is on a shuttle in disguise on Mars. Garibaldi is there as well looking for her and he is able to identify who she is...by checking out her rear end. Not making this up, this is the actual text from the book: quote:You pig, quit staring at her, he told himself. But the woman had almost struggled to the end of her row and was about to hit the aisle, so he thought he would hold on to catch her rear action. Garibaldi wasn't disappointed - it was the finest can he had seen in a long time. In fact, it was reminiscent. He sat up in his seat and stared at the woman's buttocks as she sauntered away from him. Then he gripped Gray's arm. Almost tempted to tweet JMS to ask if Garibaldi's rear end-recognition powers are canon.
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