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Lead out in cuffs
Sep 18, 2012

"That's right. We've evolved."

"I can see that. Cool mutations."





Kind of burying the lede there, but yep.

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i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

nigerian facebook is just a giant clickbait article

Zombiepop
Mar 30, 2010

i say swears online posted:

nigerian facebook is just a giant clickbait article

+ drug market

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttgP_WJ3zqI

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

i say swears online posted:

nigerian facebook is just a giant clickbait article

I had to unfollow dozens of Nigerian Twitter people like two weeks ago and am now blissfully removed from the election

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Darth Walrus posted:

Sorry, this one's more on the horrifying end of the scale. Remember the African AIDS pandemic of the Eighties and Nineties? Seems like it might have been given a little helping hand by a pro-apartheid South African mercenary group under the guise of medical research.

Lead out in cuffs
Sep 18, 2012

"That's right. We've evolved."

"I can see that. Cool mutations."





:shepface:

Sounds entirely plausible.

That said, Afrikaner militias did not exactly have a great reputation for military competence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Bophuthatswana_crisis#AWB_involvement

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD
Jul 7, 2012

am I mixing up SA with rhodesia or was there one group that was obsessed with the idea of fighting like tribal warriors and would run around with guns completely naked

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:

am I mixing up SA with rhodesia or was there one group that was obsessed with the idea of fighting like tribal warriors and would run around with guns completely naked
Actually Liberia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRuSS0iiFyo

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD
Jul 7, 2012

I meant white people

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD
Jul 7, 2012

Today in "giant loving massacres getting reported pretty much nowhere":

AP posted:

More than 1,200 killed in Mali last year, says report

BAMAKO, Mali (AP) — A political party in Mali that monitors security says more than 1,200 people died in violence last year.

Tiebile Drame, head of the Parena party, released the 2018 figures Thursday adding that among the dead were 697 civilians, 85 Malian soldiers and four soldiers from international forces.

The spokesman for Mali’s Minister of Internal Security, Amadou Sangho, disputed the figures, saying they were exaggerated although many had died.

Mali’s extremist violence started in the north and since 2015 has spread to central Mali, a hotbed of tension where Mali’s army is facing attacks by jihadist groups linked to al-Qaida. Insecurity since 2017 has also grown to include intercommunal conflict. Ethnic groups including the Fulani are accused of supporting extremists, while others are believed to be loyal to Mali’s army.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

the nigerian elections were supposed to start right about this hour but they've been delayed a week. things are getting a little chaotic

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Hypothetically, if Nigerians were to suffer a migration crisis, where would most of them go?

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

Grouchio posted:

Hypothetically, if Nigerians were to suffer a migration crisis, where would most of them go?
Benin's, Niger's and Cameroon's English speaking regions (yeah, i doubt it would be good in Cameroon).
VVV Yeah Canada and England for the international destinations. Maybe Ghana for those who can sail away but want to stay in Africa.

Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 08:58 on Feb 17, 2019

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Grouchio posted:

Hypothetically, if Nigerians were to suffer a migration crisis, where would most of them go?

funny you should ask! after #election, #canada was the number 2 twitter hashtag from posts in nigeria

if buhari is re-elected, especially under dubious circumstances, you will see increased migration from the former biafra areas

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD
Jul 7, 2012

nothing says nigerian-us solidarity like threatening to move to canada after your preferred candidate loses a presidential election lol

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD
Jul 7, 2012

Wait, holy gently caress

AFP posted:

Nigerians who were surprised when the country's presidential election was postponed on Saturday might suffer a second shock when they learn the cost, some economists and business leaders say.

"The cost to the economy of the postponement of the election is horrendous," said Muda Yusuf, general director of the Lagos Chamber of Commerce and Industry who advanced an estimate of $1.5 billion.

"The economy was on partial shutdown the day before, and total shut down on Saturday for the elections" that did not take place, he explained.

The streets of Lagos were still empty early Sunday as the sprawling economic capital of 20 million people recovered from the disappointment and anger provoked by a last minute, one-week delay blamed on logistical issues.

The Independent Electoral Commission announced the delay just hours before polls to elect the head of Africa's most populous nation and members of parliament were to open.

The INEC cited problems in the distribution of ballot papers and results sheets, as well as sabotage, after three fires at its offices in two weeks.

The leading candidates, incumbent President Muhammadu Buhari and challenger Abubakar Atiku, both called for calm, but a population of 190 million people facing unemployment and extreme poverty took a real financial hit from the decision.

For many, the cost of leaving cities where they work to go home and vote in their native regions is substantial.

Social media was used meanwhile to organise collections for street vendors who had bought perishable items to sell to voters that often wait in long lines.

The amount ultimately raised was unlikely to make much difference to tens of millions of people who live on less than $1.9 a day, but it did highlight solidarity not always widespread in the country.

Many businesses, including the critical port of Lagos, had shut down Friday so staff could leave cities before an election-related curfew took effect on Saturday from 8:00 am to 6:00 pm.

Airports and border crossing points had stopped operating as well.

For economist Bismark Rewane however, "the most important cost ... is the reputational cost.

"Investors' confidence will be eroded" and in the long term, when indirect costs were taken into account, the delay might cost the equivalent of two percentage points of national output, he said.

In currency terms, Rewane estimated the possible cost at "nine to 10 billion dollars."

:psyduck: There's no way that's accurate right?

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:

Wait, holy gently caress


:psyduck: There's no way that's accurate right?
It probably is. Any foreign investor with a lot of money is probably afraid to inject money into a potentially unstable country of 180+ million people. It must have an impact.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

yeah they don't mean the cost of ballot printing, they mean the lost economic activity. election day is a day when everything shuts down, and like the article said, people need to travel. that's expensive for someone making $300/month

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

https://www.foxnews.com/world/in-nigeria-vote-armed-vigilantes-work-to-keep-the-peace

:thunk:

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

it's a shitshow! buhari crushed it, PDP turnout way down. nobody in the south-south believes the result. things could get bad

Lead out in cuffs
Sep 18, 2012

"That's right. We've evolved."

"I can see that. Cool mutations."




KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:

Wait, holy gently caress


:psyduck: There's no way that's accurate right?

I mean, apart from the "investor confidence" angle, if 100 million or so people suddenly stop being economically productive for two days, that's gonna also have a pretty big impact.

Back of the envelope, Nigeria's GDP is about $380bil, so two days of the country shutting down could easily rack up a billion or two in lost economic activity.

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:

Wait, holy gently caress


:psyduck: There's no way that's accurate right?

It's accounting for the lost economic productivity from people having two days off. It probably overestimates the damage to Nigerians' economic well-being because it doesn't factor in the benefit people get from having a day off, which would partially counteract the loss of productivity. Time spent not working still has quantifiable economic value since workers can (to some extent) 'spend' on leisure time by taking time off.

Flayer
Sep 13, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
Buglord
Losing 2 days work won't completely blank those 2 days either - some things may tick over and still return partial benefit even without a worker there for a short period of time. A farmer not tending his crops for a day may not result in losing a proportionate amount of his harvest or technical support worker in a call center not being able to offer support to users may not invalidate the companies products etc etc

Still very bad obviously.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
This is bad and seems like it has the potential to get much worse.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/..._&sf209183444=1

quote:

More than 900 people have been sickened by the Ebola virus since it began spreading in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) in early August. The outbreak, now the second-largest ever recorded, shows no sign of slowing—fuelled, aid workers and government officials say, by a toxic cocktail of violence and mistrust.

Conflict in the northeastern DRC, the centre of the Ebola outbreak, has surged in recent months. Political protesters robbed and burned an Ebola-treatment facility in Beni in late December, after the DRC government blocked more than one million people in areas stricken by Ebola from voting in the country’s presidential election. And last month, armed assailants torched treatment centres in Butembo and Katwa. Front-line Ebola responders in those cities—who disseminate health messages, track down potential cases and bury the dead—face threats and assaults nearly every day.


The constant violence has hampered efforts to contain the virus. “There’s so many armed groups in this place that you don’t know where the next problem will happen,” says one front-line responder, who asked for anonymity because he is not authorized to speak to the press. “We are thrown into the fire.”

Just as worrisome, epidemiologists say, are recent data from the World Health Organization (WHO) that suggest the virus is spreading undetected. During the last three weeks of February, 43% of the people who died from Ebola in Katwa and Butembo were found dead in their communities—not isolated in hospitals in the late stages of the illness, when the disease is most infectious. And three-quarters of those diagnosed with Ebola had not previously been identified as contacts of people who had contracted the virus.

Taken together, the statistics suggest that the virus is spreading outside known chains of transmission, making it harder to contain and driving up the mortality rate compared to previous outbreaks.
The current death rate of about 60% is higher than it was during the much larger 2014–16 Ebola crisis in West Africa, despite improvements since then in how people with Ebola are cared for, including the introduction of several experimental drugs.

“We can have the best treatments in the world, but it won’t decrease mortality if patients don’t come in or come in too late,” says Chiara Montaldo, medical coordinator for aid group Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF, also known as Doctors Without Borders) in the DRC’s North Kivu province.

UNCHARTED TERRITORY
This Ebola outbreak is the tenth in the DRC since the virus was discovered there in 1976. It is by far the largest and longest ever to strike the country, with an estimated 907 cases and 569 deaths, as of 5 March (see 'Advancing outbreak'). Unlike earlier epidemics, this one began in war-torn northeastern DRC, where waves of conflict have killed up to six million people since 1997.

The region is home to dozens of armed groups, and is also a stronghold for opponents of the DRC’s ruling political party. Many residents are suspicious of the effort to stamp out the Ebola outbreak, because they see it as intertwined with the government’s treatment of its political foes. The decision last year by former president Joseph Kabila to block people in the cities of Beni, Butembo and Yumbi from voting—to prevent Ebola's spread—exacerbated those suspicions.

A sustained response from the DRC Ministry of Health, the WHO and MSF, among other groups, has curtailed the outbreak in the communities where the virus first emerged, such as Mabalako, Komanda and Beni. But as people move, so does Ebola. The virus has spread into new areas, including Butembo and Katwa.

Credit: Nature, March 8 2019; Source: World Health Organization
Ongoing violence prompted MSF to suspend its activities in the two cities on 28 February. Leading public-health agencies outside the DRC, such as the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, have deemed North Kivu province—where Butembo and Katwa are located—too risky to enter. Instead, epidemiologists from the United States and other Western countries are monitoring the situation from afar.

The WHO has kept its staff in place, but is considering whether to use United Nations peacekeeping troops to help secure the clinics and compounds where its employees work. “We are worried for our people,” says Ibrahima Socé-Fall, the WHO’s assistant director-general for emergency response, who is based in Brazzaville in the Republic of the Congo, just across a river from the DRC. In the meantime, the WHO has stepped up discussions with community leaders and is preparing residents to help carry out the Ebola response. “We want to reduce the dependency on international partners,” Socé-Fall says.

To help halt Ebola’s spread, some health-policy analysts want the WHO to designate the DRC outbreak a public-health emergency of international concern. That could increase international cooperation and mobilize aid, as it did when the WHO declared a public emergency seven months into the West African Ebola epidemic of 2014-16.

The WHO estimates the cost of stamping out the current Ebola outbreak in the DRC at US$148 million. As of 26 February, WHO member countries had committed less than $10 million, according to the agency’s director-general, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus.

“If this isn’t a global health emergency, what is?” says Lawrence Gostin, a health-law and policy specialist at Georgetown University in Washington DC. The ongoing conflict in the northeastern DRC makes the outbreak extraordinary, he says, and the thousands of people regularly passing from the northeastern DRC into South Sudan, Uganda and Rwanda increases the risk that the virus will spread.

Proponents of an emergency declaration say that it would enable the WHO to denounce government actions that could harm the Ebola response, such as the DRC’s voting restrictions last year or the United States' decision to stay out of the outbreak zone. A declaration could also put pressure on the DRC to improve health services and security in communities traumatized by Ebola and violence, says Oyewale Tomori, an independent virologist in Ibadan, Nigeria.

Since October, the WHO has repeatedly decided against declaring a public-health emergency, saying that Ebola is unlikely to spread globally and that aid groups are providing sufficient help to limit the outbreak. Some specialists in global health speculate that the WHO’s reluctance to declare an emergency is influenced by geopolitical issues, too. Declaring an emergency might trigger countries around the DRC to block border checkpoints, for example, which could depress the region’s economy and make it harder to know when people with Ebola enter other countries.

And David Heymann, an epidemiologist at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, says that leaders of armed groups in the region might use an emergency declaration as leverage to negotiate for territory, resources or power, in exchange for allowing Ebola responders to do their jobs. “Infectious agents can be held hostage,” he says.

Then there’s the issue of whether an emergency declaration does anything at all. Adia Benton, an anthropologist at Northwestern University in Evanston, Illinois, says that the turning point in the West Africa epidemic may not have been the decision to declare an emergency, but the news of a handful of cases of Ebola in the United States. Whether or not the WHO sounds the alarm in the current outbreak, she fears that it will continue to fester—just as the world has largely ignored arson, starvation and violence in the DRC for a quarter-century.

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

This is horribly bad because the DRC is literally one of few places in the world where leaders would let the disease spread to get ride of political opponents, region by region. And there are a few regions nearby where the same cynical strategy would happen too. Say what you want about Western Africa, central africa dictators always manage to be worse and Ebola in their area is going to be a nightmare.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

how many 'dictators' are left in west africa anyway?

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Another Ebola treatment center attacked

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/10/health/ebola-drc-congo-who-death/index.html

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

i say swears online posted:

how many 'dictators' are left in west africa anyway?
Faure "the typical fail son" Gnassingbé in Togo is probably the last one remaining in West Africa since the Gambia went better and Jammeh was exiled.
Most of west africa is considered "partly free" those days, freer than north africa (with the exception of Tunisia) at least and certainly better than central africa.

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD
Jul 7, 2012

So Tshisekedi is refusing to seat the newly elected FCC senators. Maybe he is actually going to try and prevent Kabila from continuing to control the country? Maybe?

Loving Africa Chaps
Dec 3, 2007


We had not left it yet, but when I would wake in the night, I would lie, listening, homesick for it already.

https://twitter.com/ikushkush/status/1115353785642172418

Huge crowds on the streets of Kartoum

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD
Jul 7, 2012

Man I hope they keep this up after what happened in Algeria, although no illusions that Bashir will give up as easily.

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD
Jul 7, 2012

Well that post aged poorly.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

This loving month man. :toot:

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Despite the outbreak worsening, it has not been declared an international health crisis.

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/04/12/health/ebola-public-health-emergency-congo-africa-bn-intl/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

The dead count is getting around 800 but "everything is fine!". :smithicide:
For reference the West African outbreak killed around 1200+ people in Guinea alone and around 4000+ people total if you add Liberia. Someone must be really (over)confident in its ability to prevent the spread of the disease.

Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 07:09 on Apr 15, 2019

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD
Jul 7, 2012

Super informative article about the Sudan situation by Alex de Waal: https://africanarguments.org/2019/04/12/cruel-april-sudan-spring/

e: Also here are some profiles of the Sudanese military captains from Reuters.

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Apr 16, 2019

Lead out in cuffs
Sep 18, 2012

"That's right. We've evolved."

"I can see that. Cool mutations."




So South Africa has a general election coming up, and I'll actually be back in the country visiting, so I can vote this time!


In related news, the Canadian Housing Bubble thread just posted this list of the world's most expensive housing markets, and Cape Town was on that list:


https://www.cbreresidential.com/uk/sites/uk-residential/files/property-info/FINAL%20REPORT.pdf

Quoting what I posted there:

Lead out in cuffs posted:

Those Cape Town numbers are utterly bonkers. The salaries there are about a third or less what they are in Vancouver. The average (not median) household income was about CAD$16K/year in 2011, and I doubt it's much higher now. One fifth of the city's population are still living in literal tin shacks. That the median property price is 2/3 that of Vancouver's is mind-boggling.

https://www.payscale.com/research/ZA/Location=Cape-Town/Salary
http://www.statssa.gov.za/census/census_2011/census_products/WC_Municipal_Report.pdf

Friends have been saying the same thing -- prices of food and luxury goods are approaching those in North America and Europe, but the salaries aren't increasing. I don't even know how people on the low end of the income scale are affording to buy staple foods.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

Fallen Rib
This thread seems pretty dead but I thought I would let everyone know that South Africa is currently having an election right now and at the moment it looks like the ANC is going to get less than 60% of the votes which is kind of unheard of. EFF is underperforming/performing just right depending who you ask, and the DA is currently coming in second place and have got a lock on the Cape.

https://www.africanews.com/2019/05/09/live-south-africa-may-8-general-elections-web-coverage//

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punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.

Madkal posted:

This thread seems pretty dead

I was going to post more but people got annoyed by me.

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