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the_enduser: May 1, 2006; They say the user lives outside the net.

Lmao that is so much cringe. Frank should have adopted :psyduck:

# ? Mar 11, 2019 08:20

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# ? May 29, 2024 20:28

Defiance Industries: Jul 22, 2010; A five-star manufacturer

Tertius Oculum posted:

Frank's wife should have aborted

Better

# ? Mar 11, 2019 09:33

Tarantula: Nov 4, 2009; No go ahead stand in the fire, the healer will love the shit out of you.

How and where did Frank fail with Brian good lord. By the by I know Brians contributions are...divisive to be kind, are they actually that bad? I hate not finishing a series, so is it his prose that's bad, his characters etc?

# ? Mar 11, 2019 12:23

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Good writing skill is just something that usually isn't passed down. Terry Pratchett's daughter is aware of that for the most part iirc.

# ? Mar 11, 2019 12:26

Milkfred E. Moore: Aug 27, 2006; 'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

Tarantula posted:

How and where did Frank fail with Brian good lord. By the by I know Brians contributions are...divisive to be kind, are they actually that bad? I hate not finishing a series, so is it his prose that's bad, his characters etc?

All of it. He's teamed up with Kevin J Anderson who, at least in Star Wars fandom, was infamously bad there, too.

Brian gets very basic aspects of the setting wrong. For example, the Butlerian Jihad, where the alternative explanations are like...

A. Brian is accurate and Frank's notes truly do contain something that looks like it would contradict Dune's fictional history and themes. This is probably the worst timeline.
B. Brian is lying about the supposed notes to try and explain away his bad but well-meaning additions to the series.
C. Brian is actively trying to compromise his father's legacy due to their history. The book Paul of Dune which states that the novel Dune is not how things actually happened seems to lean in this direction.

The irony, of course, is that Brian is a shockingly bad writer (someone post his original novel) and doesn't understand Dune. It makes that tweet of his really funny.

# ? Mar 11, 2019 12:37

MikeJF: Dec 20, 2003

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Good writing skill is just something that usually isn't passed down. Terry Pratchett's daughter is aware of that for the most part iirc.

How much of it is Brian and how much of it is KJA?

Milkfred E. Moore posted:

A. Brian is accurate and Frank's notes truly do contain something that looks like it would contradict Dune's fictional history and themes. This is probably the worst timeline.
B. Brian is lying about the supposed notes to try and explain away his bad but well-meaning additions to the series.
C. Brian is actively trying to compromise his father's legacy due to their history. The book Paul of Dune which states that the novel Dune is not how things actually happened seems to lean in this direction.

D. There actually isn't really as much in the way of notes as people think and most of it is incoherent and impossible to understand scrawlings written over with sweaty musings on the way Duncan Idaho's enormous cock would drive all the women in the story into submission.

MikeJF fucked around with this message at 12:41 on Mar 11, 2019

# ? Mar 11, 2019 12:37

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

MikeJF posted:

D. There actually isn't really as much in the way of notes as people think and most of it is incoherent and impossible to understand scrawlings written over with sweaty musings on the way Duncan Idaho's enormous cock would drive all the women in the story into submission.

It's probably best to assume this with all writers.

# ? Mar 11, 2019 12:47

Tarantula: Nov 4, 2009; No go ahead stand in the fire, the healer will love the shit out of you.

Milkfred E. Moore posted:

All of it. He's teamed up with Kevin J Anderson who, at least in Star Wars fandom, was infamously bad there, too.

Brian gets very basic aspects of the setting wrong. For example, the Butlerian Jihad, where the alternative explanations are like...

A. Brian is accurate and Frank's notes truly do contain something that looks like it would contradict Dune's fictional history and themes. This is probably the worst timeline.
B. Brian is lying about the supposed notes to try and explain away his bad but well-meaning additions to the series.
C. Brian is actively trying to compromise his father's legacy due to their history. The book Paul of Dune which states that the novel Dune is not how things actually happened seems to lean in this direction.

The irony, of course, is that Brian is a shockingly bad writer (someone post his original novel) and doesn't understand Dune. It makes that tweet of his really funny.

So basically he is a fan fiction author that thinks he understands the source material better than it's creator, gotcha. Still, I hate not finishing a series so I'll sadly still bite that dang bullet.

# ? Mar 11, 2019 13:04

andrew smash: Jun 26, 2006; smooth soul

Tarantula posted:

So basically he is a fan fiction author that thinks he understands the source material better than it's creator, gotcha. Still, I hate not finishing a series so I'll sadly still bite that dang bullet.

Just finish the 6 novels by Frank then, the later books aren't meaningfully part of the same series. Also there are a shitton of them.

# ? Mar 11, 2019 13:48

Ornamented Death: Jan 25, 2006; Pew pew!

Tarantula posted:

So basically he is a fan fiction author that thinks he understands the source material better than it's creator, gotcha. Still, I hate not finishing a series so I'll sadly still bite that dang bullet.

Just read the wiki summaries you weirdo.

# ? Mar 11, 2019 13:58

Riot Bimbo: Dec 28, 2006

I'm on my phone but someone post that ultraspice video so he can get a taste of what they're signing up for

# ? Mar 11, 2019 16:35

Anne Frank Funk: Nov 4, 2008

No spoilers!

lol, not gonna search for the video but, completionist dude, here's the precipitous slope you're in for if you decide to read sonfiction.

From musings on politics and humanity, some action adventure and decidedly weird turn into old man fetishes in books 1-6 you will be pushed straight into an unimaginable dumpster fire of basically this

but worse.

* Brian "Brain donor" Herbert decides to bring all the dead characters to life as clones and play with them in his little dollhouse.
* there is a duel between the aforementioned clones of the main man Paul "Paolo" Muad Dib, dragon ball z style
* there are multiple deus ex machina endings one after another in a single book

# ? Mar 11, 2019 16:50

muscles like this!: Jan 17, 2005

Milkfred E. Moore posted:

Brian gets very basic aspects of the setting wrong. For example, the Butlerian Jihad, where the alternative explanations are like...

My go to thing is how in the first prequel book he wrote for some reason he had the thing that killed the Old Duke (Paul's grandfather) be a weird alien instead of what was clearly just a regular rear end bull from the first novel.

Like Dune never explicitly says that it was a bull but it is pretty clear in context that it wasn't some bug.

# ? Mar 11, 2019 21:28

andrew smash: Jun 26, 2006; smooth soul

Doesn't it? drat I never noticed that. It's obviously a bull.

# ? Mar 11, 2019 21:34

muscles like this!: Jan 17, 2005

They talk about it having horns and that the Old Duke died in the bullfighting ring so yeah, he probably didn't think he needed to say that it was a bull.

# ? Mar 11, 2019 21:36

andrew smash: Jun 26, 2006; smooth soul

Too bad Frank's prescience was blind to the stupidity of his son

# ? Mar 11, 2019 21:49

The Bloop: Jul 5, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

he's no-son of mine

# ? Mar 11, 2019 21:54

kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

Father the author has awakened

# ? Mar 11, 2019 21:58

muscles like this!: Jan 17, 2005

You would think that outside of the sandworms there are no "alien" creatures in the book would tell Brian something but nope.

# ? Mar 11, 2019 21:59

Doc Hawkins: Jun 15, 2010; Dashing? But I'm not even moving!

There are a lot of weird plants though. Inkvine, shigawire, sappho fruit...

# ? Mar 11, 2019 22:01

andrew smash: Jun 26, 2006; smooth soul

Is inkvine actually a plant? I only remember it as the description of Gurney's scar

# ? Mar 11, 2019 22:08

Defiance Industries: Jul 22, 2010; A five-star manufacturer

muscles like this! posted:

You would think that outside of the sandworms there are no "alien" creatures in the book would tell Brian something but nope.

I figured that when Paul talks about the fish on Caladan, they might be totally different than the fish I know of, but to Paul they're normal, and they're an aquatic animal foodsource, so they're just "fish."

# ? Mar 11, 2019 22:10

Pham Nuwen: Oct 30, 2010

Doc Hawkins posted:

There are a lot of weird plants though. Inkvine, shigawire, sappho fruit...

Do any of Frank Herbert's books (or the Dune Encyclopedia, I guess) go into the prevalence of terraforming vs. existing ecosystems in the Dune universe? I could imagine all three of those examples having been genetically engineered; I think you could apply that logic to almost everything in the books except the sandworm/trout/plankton

# ? Mar 11, 2019 22:11

kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

I think alien flora and fauna exist but the important thing here is that Frank didn't spend a bunch of time on them perhaps because your book sounds pretty hokey if you do.

# ? Mar 11, 2019 22:13

muscles like this!: Jan 17, 2005

Children of Dune talks about some tigers that had been brought over to Selusa Secundus and how they are slightly different from old Earth tigers.

# ? Mar 11, 2019 22:13

SpaceGoatFarts: Jan 5, 2010; sic transit gloria mundi; Nap Ghost

muscles like this! posted:

Like Dune never explicitly says that it was a bull but it is pretty clear in context that it wasn't some bug.

It explicitly says it was a bull. Many times

quote:

Against a carton to her right stood the painting of the Duke's father.
Wrapping twine hung from it like a frayed decoration. A piece of the twine was
still clutched in Jessica's left hand. Beside the painting lay a black bull's
head mounted on a polished board. The head was a dark island in a sea of wadded
paper. Its plaque lay flat on the floor, and the bull's shiny muzzle pointed at
the ceiling as though the beast were ready to bellow a challenge into this
echoing room.
Jessica wondered what compulsion had brought her to uncover those two things
first -- the head and the painting. She knew there was something symbolic in the
action. Not since the day when the Duke's buyers had taken her from the school
had she felt this frightened and unsure of herself.
The head and the picture.

quote:

Instinct warned Jessica to match that casual tone. She said: "The painting
of the Old Duke over there, it must be hung on one side of the dining hall. The
bull's head must go on the wall opposite the painting."
Mapes crossed to the bull's head. "What a great beast it must have been to
carry such a head," she said. She stooped. "I'll have to be cleaning this first,
won't I, my Lady?"
"No."
"But there's dirt caked on its horns."
"That's not dirt, Mapes. That's the blood of our Duke's father. Those horns
were sprayed with a transparent fixative within hours after this beast killed
the Old Duke."

quote:

Behind her, Mapes paused in clearing the wrappings from the bull's head,
looked at the retreating back. "She's the One all right," she muttered. "Poor
thing."

quote:

In the dining hall of the Arrakeen great house, suspensor lamps had been
lighted against the early dark. They cast their yellow glows upward onto the
black bull's head with its bloody horns, and onto the darkly glistening oil
painting of the Old Duke.

quote:

The old Mentat arose, hesitated, hand creeping toward the deadly weapon
beneath his tunic. He was reminded of the bull ring and of the Duke's father
(who'd been brave, no matter what his other failings) and one day of the corrida
long ago: The fierce black beast had stood there, head bowed, immobilized and
confused. The Old Duke had turned his back on the horns, cape thrown
flamboyantly over one arm, while cheers rained down from the stands.
I am the bull and she the matador, Hawat thought.

quote:

He looked up at the new talismans flanking the exit to his hall--the mounted
bull's head and the oil painting of the Old Duke Atreides, the late Duke Leto's
father.

# ? Mar 11, 2019 22:22

sebmojo: Oct 23, 2010; Legit Cyberpunk

Milkfred E. Moore posted:

All of it. He's teamed up with Kevin J Anderson who, at least in Star Wars fandom, was infamously bad there, too.

Brian gets very basic aspects of the setting wrong. For example, the Butlerian Jihad, where the alternative explanations are like...

A. Brian is accurate and Frank's notes truly do contain something that looks like it would contradict Dune's fictional history and themes. This is probably the worst timeline.
B. Brian is lying about the supposed notes to try and explain away his bad but well-meaning additions to the series.
C. Brian is actively trying to compromise his father's legacy due to their history. The book Paul of Dune which states that the novel Dune is not how things actually happened seems to lean in this direction.

The irony, of course, is that Brian is a shockingly bad writer (someone post his original novel) and doesn't understand Dune. It makes that tweet of his really funny.

The Garbage Chronicles are actually quite funny, though extremely bad, they have a kind of endearing YOLO energy to them.

quote:

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Scrawled note found on Uncle Rosy�s bedstand after his death

On the afternoon before the birth of the new magical comet, Tom Javik was escorted down a brightly painted sixth-floor corridor in Building B of the Bu-Tech Space Center. All the latest promotional colors were represented here in bright geometric shapes on the walls, ceilings, doors, and floor. The corridor was awhir with moto-shoes, as silver-uniformed government workers bustled to and fro.

�This has been redecorated since I was here last year,� Javik said, smelling fresh paint. He glanced down at the oriental man rolling at his side. The small man wore silver-colored nylon pants and a matching top, with canary yellow stripes down his sleeves and legs. An octagonal blue lapel tag indicated rank: �G.W. 1000.� This meant he held one one-thousandth of a job. He rustled as he moved.

�Haven�t you heard?� the G.W. said, not looking at Javik. �Bu-Free came in this week and redid the whole wing.�

�Bu-Free? What the hell are Freeness people doing in Bu-Tech? Are they setting up a giveaway?�

�Who knows? Here�s your briefing room.� He stopped at a purple and gold door and mentoed it, sending a thought command from his brain-implanted transmitter to a receiving unit in the door. The door slid open without having been touched.

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Javik was certain it was the same briefing room he had been in the year before. But it had been painted more brightly, with colorful geometric shapes like those in the corridor. And the galactic model was gone, having been replaced by a floor-to-ceiling CRT screen. The screen was dark, save for the words �Faith, Consumption, Freeness,� in white letters at the center.

Wonder what they�ve got in mind for me this time? Javik thought, noticing a G.W. standing by the wall to his left.

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# ? Mar 11, 2019 22:24

Pham Nuwen: Oct 30, 2010

SpaceGoatFarts posted:

It explicitly says it was a bull. Many times

It was an ultrabull.

# ? Mar 11, 2019 22:28

Liquid Dinosaur: Dec 16, 2011; by Smythe

I mean what do you mean by �alien?� Like, something people note is strange and of xenobiological origin? or some kind of space bull that�s the product of millennia of breeding and divergence, like D-Wolves or Laza Tigers? That last one seems unnecessary, but not completely awful by itself. Was it some kind of Kill-bull bred to be the most aggressive and cape-hating bovine possible?

Edit: I was underground in a train when I typed that and it seems everyone summed up the issue before I posted it.

# ? Mar 11, 2019 22:30

A_Bug_That_Thinks: Mar 16, 2011; ASK ME ABOUT HOW MUCH I LOVE BIG SAGGY POKEMON TITS

They don't even have helicopters, they have ornithopters

I think a bull is a bull

# ? Mar 11, 2019 22:39

kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

I feel like the more weird animals based on human animals you have the closer you get to the Star Wars EU trope of taking a normal name and spelling it weird to make it more fantastical.

Lookin at you, Jacen Solo

# ? Mar 11, 2019 22:43

Tree Bucket: Apr 1, 2016; R.I.P.idura leucophrys

The image of a duke slain in a bullfight is extraordinarily rich in cultural and literary allusions, evoking savagery, heroism, tradition and danger but lets mske it a cool robo bull from planet hedsmasha 13 !! !

# ? Mar 11, 2019 22:49

Pham Nuwen: Oct 30, 2010

Lord CYBERTORO 9000

# ? Mar 11, 2019 23:02

Schadenboner: Aug 15, 2011; by Shine

I don�t understand what these other books people are talking about.

And, given that Frank Herbert died of pancreatic cancer in 1986 his son (Brian) killed himself shortly thereafter, I find the whole thing in p.questionable taste?

# ? Mar 11, 2019 23:21

Vincent Van Goatse: Nov 8, 2006; Enjoy every sandwich.; Smellrose

muscles like this! posted:

You would think that outside of the sandworms there are no "alien" creatures in the book would tell Brian something but nope.

There's also whatever the hell animal "whale fur" comes from.

# ? Mar 11, 2019 23:31

A_Bug_That_Thinks: Mar 16, 2011; ASK ME ABOUT HOW MUCH I LOVE BIG SAGGY POKEMON TITS

Whales

# ? Mar 12, 2019 00:03

kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

https://www.whalefacts.org/do-whales-have-hair/

# ? Mar 12, 2019 00:10

andrew smash: Jun 26, 2006; smooth soul

Schadenboner posted:

I don�t understand what these other books people are talking about.

And, given that Frank Herbert died of pancreatic cancer in 1986 his son (Brian) killed himself shortly thereafter, I find the whole thing in p.questionable taste?

This is dumb

# ? Mar 12, 2019 00:16

Vincent Van Goatse: Nov 8, 2006; Enjoy every sandwich.; Smellrose

kiimo posted:

https://www.whalefacts.org/do-whales-have-hair/

Can't make clothes out of that poo poo though, so they're not ordinary whales.

# ? Mar 12, 2019 00:18

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# ? May 29, 2024 20:28

kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

WHALES

IN

SPACE

# ? Mar 12, 2019 00:24

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