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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The speculation is that this was also part of the point. That Deng could prove the army was trash and needed reforms. Yeah, it was also to domestically weaken the PLA generals politically so it's easier to transfer resources from the military to economic buildup
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I never said poo poo about human wave tactics. Why are words being put into my mouth? China did well in Korea as a result of surprisingly effective infiltration tactics that were honed during the Civil War and WW2. They also had surprise on their side.
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Mantis42 posted:I never said poo poo about human wave tactics. Why are words being put into my mouth? China did well in Korea as a result of surprisingly effective infiltration tactics that were honed during the Civil War and WW2. They also had surprise on their side. I'm just posting not accusing you of anything
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Mantis42 posted:I never said poo poo about human wave tactics. Why are words being put into my mouth? yeah I'm right there w/ you, my dude e: just posting?? never!!!! more like unjust posting!!!!
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Mar 12, 2019 20:23
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Its really funny bc a lot of Millenium Dawn shenanigans involving civilian ships and stuff is exactly what China is doing. Imagine some Chinese fisherman from guangdong being responsible for killing a us carrier group lol hell yeah
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Me, a very smart military procurement official: Obviously we need to install go-go-gadget legs on the bottom of every fighter jet in service for instantaneous takeoff. This retrofit will cost 345934509 trillion dollars and will add 23409823409809234 quadrillion dollars to existing fighter development programs. Any expense is acceptable for the safety of are country *loads numerous money sacks labeled "NOT KICKBACKS" into the back of my personal armored truck*
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Mar 12, 2019 20:25
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Why hasn't anyone come up with a stealth missile or a missile with EWAR capability
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Phi230 posted:Why hasn't anyone come up with a stealth missile or a missile with EWAR capability Apparently it's easier to just make them go Mach 5.
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Mantis42 posted:I never said poo poo about human wave tactics. Why are words being put into my mouth? China did well in Korea as a result of surprisingly effective infiltration tactics that were honed during the Civil War and WW2. They also had surprise on their side. Theres also the fact the U.S army had essentially refused to upgrade since WWII. The Brass at the time thought that the same old stuff that worked in WWII would remain effective instead of upgrading like the Soviets were doing. You have infantry grunts firing now too small bullets being supported by Armored Battalions still driving around in Shermans. It was one of the things that really got the MIC rolling since they could point to Korea and say "Give us money to avoid this."
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Mar 12, 2019 20:42
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the US military sucks but everyone else on earth is literally worse aside from probably some tiny countries like iceland but thats because their entire military consists of a single platoon of delta force types in case of terrorism
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The best way to win a conventional war is to make fewer mistakes than your enemy
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galagazombie posted:Theres also the fact the U.S army had essentially refused to upgrade since WWII. The Brass at the time thought that the same old stuff that worked in WWII would remain effective instead of upgrading like the Soviets were doing. You have infantry grunts firing now too small bullets being supported by Armored Battalions still driving around in Shermans. It was one of the things that really got the MIC rolling since they could point to Korea and say "Give us money to avoid this." It's not that we wanted to not modernize, no one had the political power to find the money to do so. We had the bomb and the dominant navy no one at the time was expecting to stick our dick in asia for the next three decades
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The US Army was also led by total incompetents in Korea who basically Casey-at-bat'd all the way up to the Yalu, making no effort to do so in any strategic manner, just marauding like barbarians out of pure arrogance, and then were completely blindsided and obliterated when it turned out that all evidence that the Chinese were not loving around was proof that, in fact, the Chinese were not loving around
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MacArthur is a lovely general but who was really, really good at PR so everybody thought he was good when he sucked he's basically the guy at your workplace who hosed up but kept the bosses happy so he got promoted
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i don't see america going to war with russia and/or china based on the simple fact that there's absolutely nothing to gain from doing so and everything to lose. at the same time, we've still got a lot of imperial hubris in certain corners of government and business, so who knows
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posting some relevant old war nerd articles
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Apparently it's easier to just make them go Mach 5. I remember there was a test of some scramjet missile a few years ago that got up to mach 10 or mach 20 or something crazy like that (the ones launched via ICBM should be able to reach mach 20) and the US was like "the test was successful in that it flew really loving fast but we don't know where it went, maybe it landed somewhere in the Pacific but who knows" Scramjets are one of the bad ideas that inevitably arises from using an ICBM for conventional warheads, because there's no way to determine what warhead is loaded in the missile, only that the missile has been fueled or launched. Launch a bunker-buster with an ICBM and it looks just like a loving MIRV as far as a missile defense operator is concerned. In the case of a scramjet, they fly in the upper atmosphere instead of space because they need oxygen and it is impossible to determine their target until a few seconds before impact. You could send one of those out to target Pyongyang and 30 seconds before impact no one knows if it's headed to PRK, ROK, Japan, eastern China, Indonesia, etc. and they can't know what the payload is either.
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shoot a laser through the earth at your target, duh
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Look - Japan beat China and the US beat Japan so you see?
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Moridin920 posted:Look - and Vietnam beat the US, therefore
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45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:the US military sucks but everyone else on earth is literally worse aside from probably some tiny countries like iceland but thats because their entire military consists of a single platoon of delta force types in case of terrorism What would be the point? They're already treated as a natural aircraft carrier by america
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obviously in the future we will settle our differences with video games so ww3 will be decided with a match of dota 2 or some poo poo
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Filthy Hans posted:I remember there was a test of some scramjet missile a few years ago that got up to mach 10 or mach 20 or something crazy like that (the ones launched via ICBM should be able to reach mach 20) and the US was like "the test was successful in that it flew really loving fast but we don't know where it went, maybe it landed somewhere in the Pacific but who knows" Is there something preventing scramjets from being used in a ballistic missile instead of something massive like an ICBM? The only reason anybody thinks tomahawks aren't nuclear armed is because we insist all the nuclear tomahawks are retired.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Is there something preventing scramjets from being used in a ballistic missile instead of something massive like an ICBM? The only reason anybody thinks tomahawks aren't nuclear armed is because we insist all the nuclear tomahawks are retired. they're heavy and they have to be lifted up to 10s of km at a speed of mach 4 before their own engines can take over, ICBMs are powerful enough to do that. The scramjet is basically a ballistic missile in and of itself, just one that needs a massive booster. It couldn't take off on its own because the engine wont work at all until it's screaming fast already. also everything I know about this is from an article I read whilst making GBS threads and typing up the op so take it with a grain of salt Filthy Hans has issued a correction as of 03:34 on Mar 13, 2019 |
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Filthy Hans posted:they're heavy and they have to be lifted up to 10s of km at a speed of mach 4 before their own engines can take over, ICBMs are powerful enough to do that. The scramjet is basically a ballistic missile in and of itself, just one that needs a massive booster No I get it. I looked up enough about scramjets to know they can't work without air moving through their intake at supersonic speeds to begin with, so you'd need a platform to get them up to that point to start with. The X-43 is the fastest hypersonic craft ever recorded, and it had to be deployed at altitude from a B-52. Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 03:39 on Mar 13, 2019 |
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Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god
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Phi230 posted:American education is horrible, it is known Today in class I had an entire classroom tell me they did not know who Napoleon was.
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jesus christ the zipper on my pants broke and my weiner was just flopping around luckily everyone was at lunch
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the way things are going I’m it sure there’s gonna be a US around to lose ww3
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didn't read the thread, but: inshallah
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Torpor posted:the way things are going I’m it sure there’s gonna be a US around to lose ww3 I mean like, c'mon dude, you are already failing so hard at handling shipping containers at mere 4% volume of one of your boogeyman's ports and you want to fight them at their doorstep?
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Crazy to think this thread has only become more relevant in the two years since I posted it.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Crazy to think this thread has only become more relevant in the two years since I posted it. you could post that in every c-spam thread climate, doomsday economics, succ, my censored pitbull hate thread, all of them
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I do not know which weapons WW4 will be fought with, but WW3 was fought with chen weihua
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Crazy to think this thread has only become more relevant in the two years since I posted it. gas
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lifetime bitch alert
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the winners of WW3 will be whatever parts of Africa and South America haven't been nuked into the stone age by America and Russia
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the last six months have shown that if the united states had to fight ww3 they would surrender as soon as hostilities interrupted the flow of cheap chinese imports
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phenomenal military power, itty bitty leadership brains
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