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Elendil was canonically an inch shy of eight feet tall. I hope they take this into account during casting.
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Mar 12, 2019 19:36
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What's funny is they actually only need to cast some short people to be normal humans and that will get across how tall the elves and numenoreans are real easily
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Mar 12, 2019 19:43
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Akallabeth is one of those berenstein bears things where I always thought it was Akabelleth. What language is Akallabeth anyway? Numenorean?
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Mar 12, 2019 20:05
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Was anybody in Numenor even normal height?
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Mar 12, 2019 20:07
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SHISHKABOB posted:Akallabeth is one of those berenstein bears things where I always thought it was Akabelleth. Yes, Adunaic for “the Downfallen” — as a translation joke, it matches up to the preexisting Quenya stem talát to translate into elvish as “Atalantë”. Mahoning posted:Was anybody in Numenor even normal height? Probably not, or one would assume they would name the 7’11” guy something a bit less understated than “the Tall”
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Mar 12, 2019 20:26
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Elendil and his Bronn-esque bodyguard who's only 7'1" and is called "Tiny"
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Mar 13, 2019 05:06
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skasion posted:Probably not, or one would assume they would name the 7’11” guy something a bit less understated than “the Tall” Maybe they were kidding, or trying to make him feel better. "Never mind Elendil! You're only 74, maybe you'll grow a bit more! Put some fertiliser in your boots!"
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Mar 13, 2019 08:07
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So I picked up re-reading LOTR again the other day after stalling out at Christmastime around Emyn Muil and the Dead Marshes. The writing is SO GOOD after Frodo, Sam, and Gollum leave Faramir and are marching to the crossroads and towards Cirith Ungol. You really get this feeling of impending doom with the way Tolkien describes how there are no birds or beasts or really any sounds, the days are nearly indistinguishable from nights, the thunder/earthquakes rumbling.
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Mar 13, 2019 18:54
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One of many things that Tolkien is so good at, but that gets lost in the noise from all the genre knockoffs, is building that sense of utter failure just before the final victory. Mordor is utterly desolate, Frodo is absolutely spiritually and physically broken, he and Sam technically fail at their quest, the armies of Men are throwing themselves away for no hope after they're shown Frodo's gear. So many other fantasy or adventure works have a similar phase in their storytelling, but it's rarely ever as convincing or effective. Presumably being part of the generation to live in despair in the trenches in his youth had something to do with his ability to create this effect in his writing.
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Mar 13, 2019 20:33
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Anyone interested in Tolkien’s writing of The Hobbit and The Lord of The Rings, and who plans to be in NYC before May 12, 2019, should spend an hour or so visiting the Morgan Library for its exhibit of Tolkien’s original art and drafts. I found it worth the $22 admission. https://www.themorgan.org/exhibitions/tolkien
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Mar 14, 2019 01:36
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Red Cat posted:Anyone interested in Tolkien’s writing of The Hobbit and The Lord of The Rings, and who plans to be in NYC before May 12, 2019, should spend an hour or so visiting the Morgan Library for its exhibit of Tolkien’s original art and drafts. I found it worth the $22 admission. Did they let you take photos? I was really hoping someone would go and take a shitload of photos. edit: drat no photos, dammit
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Mar 14, 2019 01:45
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Did they let you take photos? Yeah, no photos :-( The book has photos of most of the exhibit items. https://www.amazon.com/Tolkien-Maker-Middle-earth-Catherine-McIlwaine/dp/1851244859
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Mar 14, 2019 02:49
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Totally not gonna miss that.
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Mar 14, 2019 03:39
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Mahoning posted:So I picked up re-reading LOTR again the other day after stalling out at Christmastime around Emyn Muil and the Dead Marshes. The writing is SO GOOD after Frodo, Sam, and Gollum leave Faramir and are marching to the crossroads and towards Cirith Ungol. You really get this feeling of impending doom with the way Tolkien describes how there are no birds or beasts or really any sounds, the days are nearly indistinguishable from nights, the thunder/earthquakes rumbling. I like how Tolkien pays attention to the fact that his characters need water to live, unlike 99.9999999% of boring stupid fantasy writers.
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Mar 14, 2019 08:15
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skasion posted:Yes, Adunaic for “the Downfallen” — as a translation joke, it matches up to the preexisting Quenya stem talát to translate into elvish as “Atalantë”. Oh my god that old punster.
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Mar 14, 2019 08:36
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tired: making a pun wired: making a pun that works across several languages inspired: inventing your own set of several languages complete with vocabulary, linguistic history and complex grammar and then basing a hugely influential lifetime‘s worth of stories on that in order to make a pun
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Mar 14, 2019 10:06
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:I like how Tolkien pays attention to the fact that his characters need water to live, unlike 99.9999999% of boring stupid fantasy writers. Yeah but none of his characters have to piss or poo poo which just ruins my immersion.
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Mar 14, 2019 10:28
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Octy posted:Yeah but none of his characters have to piss or poo poo which just ruins my immersion.
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Mar 14, 2019 11:06
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Sam does imagine that Orcs have been taking massive dumps in Shelob’s tunnel for centuries, based on the smell.
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Mar 14, 2019 12:09
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Bongo Bill posted:Elendil was canonically an inch shy of eight feet tall. I hope they take this into account during casting. and I think Thingol was the tallest guy ever in middle earth, just how goddamn big was he?
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Mar 14, 2019 12:33
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Círdan is of the same generation as Elwe and isn’t huge so I don’t know.
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Mar 14, 2019 12:45
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Elu gets “tallest of all the children of Ilúvatar” as an epithet in the QS. Cirdan was just an elflet Actually LOTR says Cirdan was “very tall” and the hobbits have been swanning around with Aragorn who is comfortably basketball height all book at that point
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Mar 14, 2019 12:47
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Well there you go. Círdan is also just crazy old. Is the the oldest named elf in middle earth in LOTR?
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Mar 14, 2019 12:55
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euphronius posted:Well there you go. Yeah gotta be. He’s the only elf we see who has exited the prime stage and entered the beard-having stage, although that isn’t strictly about literal age. Galadriel and Elrond are definitely younger. I guess Glorf could be around the same age but I don’t think there’s anything to suggest it.
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Mar 14, 2019 13:11
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IIrc (can't remember where I saw it tho) Cirdan might well be a first generation elf, and if he's not then like second or third at the very least. The Elves awoke in the Year of the Trees 1050. One YoT was equal to 9.52 solar years, so if we calculate (1500 [when Melkor destroyed the trees] - 1050] * 9.52 and then add the years of the First Age (590), the Second Age (3441) and the Third Age (3021) we arrive at 11,336 years, give or take a few centuries seeing as he might have been born a bit after the Awakening and left Middle-Earth at an unknown point in time during the Fourth Age
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Mar 14, 2019 13:27
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I was reading Shelob's Lair last night and busted out laughing when I got to this passage (if you've been reading this thread in recent months, you'll know why):Frodo posted:'Come! Let us see what Sting can do. It is an elven-blade. There were webs of horror in the dark ravines of Beleriand where it was forged.'
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Mar 14, 2019 13:48
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Mahoning posted:I was reading Shelob's Lair last night and busted out laughing when I got to this passage (if you've been reading this thread in recent months, you'll know why): Excuse you, it could have been forged in some other town called Beleriand
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Mar 14, 2019 13:56
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Please don’t trigger me. I’m a mess over here.
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Mar 14, 2019 14:05
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The movies are better than the books
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Mar 14, 2019 14:09
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Mahoning posted:Sam does imagine that Orcs have been taking massive dumps in Shelob’s tunnel for centuries, based on the smell. He should know too, they stumbled on an orc latrine earlier in Ithilien
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Mar 14, 2019 16:31
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:edit: drat no photos, dammit I like the "No masks, wizard staffs, scepters, axes, bow and arrows, or swords are permitted" rule. I wonder how sick the guards get of nerds smiling smugly and saying "would you part an old man from his walking stick?"
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Mar 14, 2019 20:41
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Runcible Cat posted:I like the "No masks, wizard staffs, scepters, axes, bow and arrows, or swords are permitted" rule. Háma Wasn't Wrong
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Mar 14, 2019 20:45
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Hama in the books wasnt just a dumbass who doesnt realize the staff is a weapon, he actively decides to let Gandalf in because he has a hunch that it's for the best
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Mar 14, 2019 21:52
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I saved the kingdom of Rohan and all I got was this lovely gravemound
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Mar 14, 2019 21:58
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I don't know, getting hewed at the gates is a pretty badass way to go.
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Mar 14, 2019 22:14
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sweet geek swag posted:I don't know, getting hewed at the gates is a pretty badass way to go. It's actually really unpleasant.
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Mar 15, 2019 00:49
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skasion posted:I saved the kingdom of Rohan and all I got was this lovely gravemound As good at guarding the gate in death as in life. Actually, probably better, he presents a mild tripping hazard now.
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Mar 15, 2019 02:04
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Shibawanko posted:Hama in the books wasnt just a dumbass who doesnt realize the staff is a weapon, he actively decides to let Gandalf in because he has a hunch that it's for the best The look on his face in the movie gives me a subtle hint of the same thing, although that could just be carried over from the book for me.
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Mar 15, 2019 02:40
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:The look on his face in the movie gives me a subtle hint of the same thing, although that could just be carried over from the book for me. As someone who watched the movies first, I got the same impression. He definitely gives a look that says "we both know you're a fuckin wizard and that's your staff, but whatever, I trust you."
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sassassin posted:It's actually really unpleasant. I never said it was pleasant, I said it was badass.
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