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Roth
Jul 9, 2016

I think what I'm enjoying the most about Jason Aaron's Avengers is that each issue feels really meaty. Like, I don't feel like I'm wasting money on single issues for once because it feels like a lot happens in each issue.

Well, that, and this vampire war arc is pretty sick.

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Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



It's good, but not "Dracula shooting vampires from the moon" good, as far as Marvel vampire stories go.

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
Hey MoS, i saw your name in the credits while i was reading some ultimate comics last night and i was curious as to whether, as a professional letterer, you have any preference towards the all uppercase of comics at large or the upper-lower case used by the ultimate line (like, if one looks better to your eye or something)

site fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Mar 11, 2019

Minister of Sound
Jan 1, 2007

Damn, I wish I was your lett'rer!

site posted:

Hey MoS, i saw your name in the credits while i was reading some ultimate comics last night and i was curious as to whether, as a professional letterer, you have any preference towards the all uppercase of comics at large or the upper-lower case used by the ultimate line

Mixed-case books are a lot harder. There are more case-based typos to look out for (a lot of writers don't know how casing works, go figure), and if they write out their bold/italicized text in all-caps in the script, it's a lot more work for us to reformat. Additionally, the text has to be sized bigger, both for legibility's sake, and to keep ascenders and descenders from touching.

But I heard recently that mixed-case lettering is much easier on readers with dyslexia, so I'm more open to biting that particular bullet now. I guess I like both, for different reasons.

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
:discourse: thanks for the response, I hadn't even considered the technical side. Doh!

Vulpes Vulpes
Apr 28, 2013

"...for you, it is all over...!"
Similarly, as a prolific letterer, are there things that writers do that make your job more difficult or certain tics that you wish they would avoid? I've been gradually getting my head around what to do and not do, but it would be interesting to hear it from your perspective.

^burtle
Jul 17, 2001

God of Boomin'



Minister of Sound posted:

Mixed-case books are a lot harder. There are more case-based typos to look out for (a lot of writers don't know how casing works, go figure), and if they write out their bold/italicized text in all-caps in the script, it's a lot more work for us to reformat. Additionally, the text has to be sized bigger, both for legibility's sake, and to keep ascenders and descenders from touching.

But I heard recently that mixed-case lettering is much easier on readers with dyslexia, so I'm more open to biting that particular bullet now. I guess I like both, for different reasons.

As a librarian working in a field where comics are making a difference in helping literacy, you're a fuckin hero.

Admiralty Flag
Jun 7, 2007

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2022

Synthbuttrange posted:

Immortal Hulk is also the scene of Tony's worst crime yet.


I thought Starkscream was, "Jarvis, I'm home, where's my loving [dinner/booze and call girls]*??!!!"

(*Depends based on era.)



Minister of Sound posted:

Mixed-case books are a lot harder. There are more case-based typos to look out for (a lot of writers don't know how casing works, go figure), and if they write out their bold/italicized text in all-caps in the script, it's a lot more work for us to reformat. Additionally, the text has to be sized bigger, both for legibility's sake, and to keep ascenders and descenders from touching.

But I heard recently that mixed-case lettering is much easier on readers with dyslexia, so I'm more open to biting that particular bullet now. I guess I like both, for different reasons.
On a side note, in the late Eighties I noticed a trend by (IIRC) Workman and especially Costanza -- and here the main example that jumps to mind are the Alan Davis Detective Comics -- to write "filler" words, like "ahem" or an understated "oops", in all lower case letters. Something about this really added to the style and look of the speech and made it lookk more natural. I'm not saying it never appeared in comics before, but it seemed to have gained its momentum here.

Didn't mean to comment on your specific exercise of the craft, just a memory that came to mind.

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
Okay so as I was reading some books last night one thing that I found myself thinking about was this

Minister of Sound posted:

if they write out their bold/italicized text in all-caps in the script, it's a lot more work for us to reformat.

I guess I had just assumed that letterers would just read from the script page but manually add everything so I'm curious as to what the actual process is, do you in actuality normally just c/p from the script onto the page and you reformat from there or what do you mean?

IUG
Jul 14, 2007


Admiralty Flag posted:

I thought Starkscream was, "Jarvis, I'm home, where's my loving [dinner/booze and call girls]*??!!!"

(*Depends based on era.)

On a side note, in the late Eighties I noticed a trend by (IIRC) Workman and especially Costanza -- and here the main example that jumps to mind are the Alan Davis Detective Comics -- to write "filler" words, like "ahem" or an understated "oops", in all lower case letters. Something about this really added to the style and look of the speech and made it lookk more natural. I'm not saying it never appeared in comics before, but it seemed to have gained its momentum here.

Didn't mean to comment on your specific exercise of the craft, just a memory that came to mind.

Simon Spurrier has done something similar in his last three books (Spire, Godshaper, Coda), where if a character whispers or talks under their breath. The font size will shrink down, or the color of the font will go grey. It can be a little distracting at first, IMO.

Inkspot
Dec 3, 2013

I believe I have
an appointment.
Mr. Goongala?
Just gonna leave this here...

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch

IUG posted:

Simon Spurrier has done something similar in his last three books (Spire, Godshaper, Coda), where if a character whispers or talks under their breath. The font size will shrink down, or the color of the font will go grey. It can be a little distracting at first, IMO.


it would probably be much harder to implement in western comics due the generally more detailed art and color, but i've kinda taken to the manga style of having, i dunno what you'd call it, softer dialogue maybe, just in the panel without being inside narration boxes or word balloons

site fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Mar 12, 2019

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



Inkspot posted:

Just gonna leave this here...



I swear Grant Morrison emphasis is never on the word I expect and it really bothers me.

Inkspot
Dec 3, 2013

I believe I have
an appointment.
Mr. Goongala?
A mistake I see in a lot of indie books (and have definitely been guilty of myself) is trying to emphasize "important" words to allow for... I dunno... speed reading?

Minister of Sound
Jan 1, 2007

Damn, I wish I was your lett'rer!

Vulpes Vulpes posted:

Similarly, as a prolific letterer, are there things that writers do that make your job more difficult or certain tics that you wish they would avoid? I've been gradually getting my head around what to do and not do, but it would be interesting to hear it from your perspective.

Aside from rewriting half their scripts after we've already lettered them (most writers don't do this), it's just nitpicky grammatical stuff, most of which is just part of the job to me. But I remember you being really easy to work with, and I can't come up with anything I'd recommend to you specifically. Could we continue this chat via email or DMs?

And should the lettering talk be moved to a different thread? I'm happy to chat about things, but don't want to derail the Marvel thread too much.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

Inkspot posted:

Just gonna leave this here...



You could do the same thing in prose with italicization, though?

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Wanderer posted:

You could do the same thing in prose with italicization, though?

Font gimmicks in prose wear thin pretty quickly.

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

What are you talking about? Reading an entire book like this wouldn't get tiring --or even annoying for that matter-- at all!

FoneBone
Oct 24, 2004
stupid, stupid rat creatures
apparently this teaser is running in every Marvel book this week

https://twitter.com/OliverSava/status/1105835447731843072

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

Creepy little garbage eaters

Miyazawa is such a good fit for Spider-Gwen. I'm really enjoying this current arc.

Open Marriage Night
Sep 18, 2009

"Do you want to talk to a spider, Peter?"


FoneBone posted:

apparently this teaser is running in every Marvel book this week

https://twitter.com/OliverSava/status/1105835447731843072

Finally getting those Eternals rolling

ElNarez
Nov 4, 2009

FoneBone posted:

apparently this teaser is running in every Marvel book this week

https://twitter.com/OliverSava/status/1105835447731843072

and Donny Cates has been talking about doing a comic book event, and the teaser kinda sounds like it's about symbiotes

it's a Venom event

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


I’m glad we’re getting another Dr. Doom event.

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


ElNarez posted:

and Donny Cates has been talking about doing a comic book event, and the teaser kinda sounds like it's about symbiotes

it's a Venom event
Yeah, isn't there a Venom-based story coming in this year's Free Comic Book Day book?


In other Spider-related news: I'm liking Hunted so far. It was a bold move of Spencer to ask people to read Kraven's Last Hunt first (then again, comparions were going to be made regardless), but still, Hunted is a pretty drat good story.

I'm worried about what happened/will hapen to Mary Jane, though. :ohdear:

Teenage Fansub
Jan 28, 2006

They already released this, so I dunno why they're pretending it's a mystery in that ad.

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


Teenage Fansub posted:

They already released this, so I dunno why they're pretending it's a mystery in that ad.


Land was a...poor choice for the art on this, I think.

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
Which porno is caps face from

FoneBone posted:

apparently this teaser is running in every Marvel book this week

https://twitter.com/OliverSava/status/1105835447731843072

Please Hickman, come back to me

Cartridgeblowers
Jan 3, 2006

Super Mario Bros 3

I don't think that ad is for the Venom thing.

Hickman on X-Men please~~~

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
looking forward to seeing this imprinted on someones face in a future issue

FoneBone
Oct 24, 2004
stupid, stupid rat creatures

Little Mac posted:

I don't think that ad is for the Venom thing.


yeah, no idea if that's actually teasing a Hickman project, but the tones of those teasers seem so far apart that i can't imagine they'd be teasing the same book

Open Marriage Night
Sep 18, 2009

"Do you want to talk to a spider, Peter?"


If they’re already doing ads for the Venom thing, there’s no point in being cryptic in another ad.

There’s no way it’s not for the Eternals. The stars are aligning for that franchise to come back in a big way.

X-O
Apr 28, 2002

Long Live The King!

I don't know if it's Hickman, but either way he's playing the game and has mentioned wanting to write The Eternals when left after Secret Wars.

https://twitter.com/JHickman/status/1105883705296515078

Dreqqus
Feb 21, 2013

BAMF!
Can't wait for all the claims Marvel is trying to replace the X-men again...

David D. Davidson
Nov 17, 2012

Orca lady?
I think you're safe from that. They got the movie rights back.

Gaunab
Feb 13, 2012
LUFTHANSA YOU FUCKING DICKWEASEL
Why is Marvel so obsessed with Venom lately?

Blockhouse
Sep 7, 2014

You Win!

Gaunab posted:

Why is Marvel so obsessed with Venom lately?

that movie did really, really well

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

venom got over, baby

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
nancy and doreen are gay

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer

site posted:

nancy and doreen are gay

Haven't gotten the chance to read yet, are you shipping or did North finally pull the trigger and make it explicitly stated?

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site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
it's not explicit explicit but this is the second or third time theyve held hands walking into the future together lately and shown that they're living together well into old age so like it's pretty queer coded

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