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| Joe "the liberal who fights busing" Biden |
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27 | 1.40% |
| Bernie "please don't die" Sanders |
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1017 | 52.69% |
| Cory "charter schools" Booker |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Kirsten "wall street" Gillibrand |
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24 | 1.24% |
| Kamala "truancy queen" Harris |
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59 | 3.06% |
| Julian "who?" Castro |
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7 | 0.36% |
| Tulsi "gay panic" Gabbard |
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25 | 1.30% |
| Michael "crimes crimes crimes" Avenatti |
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22 | 1.14% |
| Sherrod "discount bernie" Brown |
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21 | 1.09% |
| Amy "horrible boss" Klobuchar |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Tammy "stands for america" Duckworth |
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48 | 2.49% |
| Beto "whataburger" O'Rourke |
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32 | 1.66% |
| Elizabeth "instagram beer" Warren |
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284 | 14.72% |
| Tom "impeach please" Steyer |
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4 | 0.21% |
| Michael "soda is the devil" Bloomberg |
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9 | 0.47% |
| Joseph Stalin |
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287 | 14.87% |
| Howard "coffee republican" Schultz |
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10 | 0.52% |
Jay "nobody cares about climate change  " Inslee |
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13 | 0.67% |
| Pete "gently caress the homeless" Butt Man |
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17 | 0.88% |
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theblackw0lf posted:Yes! Mayor Pete has an air of unflappability to him that I would really love to see on a debate stage. Would also love to vote for him to be president, but him as VP would also be a-okay.
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Making a strong case for HRC voters to back Beto.
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Mar 14, 2019 06:16
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Mince Pieface posted:Where the hell do you live that the suburbs are some insanely rich nazi breeding ground? Where I live the suburbs frequently have 50%+ POC and mostly working class, on the level of teachers, low-mid government positions, or research science, making 40-80k, and the 'Panera' demographic you're describing is isolated to only a few gated communities where people are making well over 300k, far over any definition of middle class My town is 46% white yet my sons elementary school is 6% white. Having a mixed community doesn't mean it's not a breading ground for white supremists.
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Mar 14, 2019 06:49
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Z. Autobahn posted:I mean, I'll say that I think Beto has more of a chance than MOST of the B-list, like Warren, Klobuchar, Booker, etc... if Biden flames out (very likely) and the public doesn't take to Harris (increasingly likely) then he's lined up reasonably for a shot at being the Centrist Alternative. But man, that's still a lot of IFs to basically stake your entire political future on. Do we have a list yet? I think Harris/ Warren are in a different league from Booker and Klobuchar Here’s mine... A list: Biden, Bernie B list: Harris, Warren C list: Gilibrand, Castro, Klobuchar, Beto, Booker D list: Pete B, Hickenlooper, Inslee F list: Delaney, Gabbard, Yang A - high name recognition, national support B - high name recognition, less national support C - mid range name recognition, regional/state support D- low name recognition, regional/state support F - Wrong party. Joke candidates BristolSOF fucked around with this message at 07:24 on Mar 14, 2019 |
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Mar 14, 2019 07:09
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DaveWoo posted:Bernie's campaign staff are the ones who keep promising that the returns will be released "soon", but yeah, just keep lashing out at anyone who dares bring up that perfectly reasonable point, I'm sure that'll work spectacularly well in winning over converts. To be fair Bernie also said "soon" when pressed on this in his CNN town hall (because of course he was). VideoGameVet posted:2020 Democratic Primary: The Yin and Yang of Basic Min Income 2020 Democratic Primary: The Biden and Yang of Basic Min Income Radish posted:I think this guy was more dangerous when he was trying to get votes from Democrats but it seems like most of his platform is that the party as a whole sucks as bad as Trump which I doubt is gonna get many idiots. All his advisors are Never-Trump Republicans. Their default setting is exactly what he's doing, and I don't see it changing. I'm almost certain he runs in 2020 regardless of the Dem nominee, he clearly has himself convinced, and of course the people he's paying to advise him will say he can win and do it without reelecting Trump because they think Dem voters hate liberals and will flock to a "centrist" that attacks them. And boy howdy attack them he does. mcmagic posted:Beto's vanity campaign is already annoying. That's Fair.
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Mar 14, 2019 09:10
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Mar 14, 2019 11:28
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theblackw0lf posted:Yes! I hope he makes it. When's the deadline?
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Mar 14, 2019 11:59
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Beto's reason for running is he wants to go on the road and have more sex with women who are not his wife
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Mar 14, 2019 12:25
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[quote="Corsair Pool Boy" post=""493349275"] All his advisors are Never-Trump Republicans. Their default setting is exactly what he's doing, and I don't see it changing. I'm almost certain he runs in 2020 regardless of the Dem nominee, he clearly has himself convinced, and of course the people he's paying to advise him will say he can win and do it without reelecting Trump because they think Dem voters hate liberals and will flock to a "centrist" that attacks them. And boy howdy attack them he does. [/quote]But surely they could have found someone witg the same politcs with a sliver of charisma and some basic competence? Shultz is a moron.
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Mar 14, 2019 12:27
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His advisors get paid the same regardless and it's not like any third party spoiler is going to actually win.
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Mar 14, 2019 12:29
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Typo posted:
I never said it was their sole base, of course they also had rural support, your frantic googling doesn't refute what I said about fascists having their middle-class base in suburban towns, actually your link supports what I said although curiously your quote didn't include those parts I wonder why quote:For many years the Nazi movement was seen as a political response of the German Mittelstand (lower middle class) of small businessmen, independent artisans, small shopkeepers and the self-employed, to the threats coming from big business and large retail stores, from the trade unions, the SPD and the KPD, and from increased government interference and taxes to pay for Weimar's burgeoning welfare state. In many respects it was such a response -- in its combination of anti-socialist and anti-big business rhetoric, and in its social support. The lower middle class of Germany's Protestant towns did constitute the hard-core of Nazi support and were over-represented in the membership of the NSDAP.
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Mar 14, 2019 12:47
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beta o'dork.
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Mar 14, 2019 12:59
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Charlz Guybon posted:But surely they could have found someone witg the same politcs with a sliver of charisma and some basic competence? Shultz is a moron. Radish posted:His advisors get paid the same regardless and it's not like any third party spoiler is going to actually win. Yeah, Schultz is a loving money mark, and what's actually going on here is just another grift.
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Mar 14, 2019 13:13
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beto sucks so loving hard. i might be madder at him than biden. you have nothing to run on dipshit go take the seat from cornyn.
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Mar 14, 2019 13:18
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Cerebral Bore posted:Yeah, Schultz is a loving money mark, and what's actually going on here is just another grift. Surely you can make the same amount of money and improve your career prospects if you serve on a campaign like John B. Anderson who got 6.6% in 1980 rather than a campaign like Jill Stein's that got 1%.
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Mar 14, 2019 14:02
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Double post. Weird
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Mar 14, 2019 14:02
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Z. Autobahn posted:Because they understand that doing so will cause genuine riots and destroy any chance anyone has of winning the general, and despite the sentiment in this thread, I don't think either side of the centrist/leftist split is dumb enough to do that. It's noticeable that all of your examples of unity are leftists putting in work to support centrists, and you didn't list a single instance of centrists putting in work to support leftists. Which, unfortunately, more or less mirrors the actual conditions during elections and on the floors of Congress.
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Mar 14, 2019 14:14
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Charlz Guybon posted:Surely you can make the same amount of money and improve your career prospects if you serve on a campaign like John B. Anderson who got 6.6% in 1980 rather than a campaign like Jill Stein's that got 1%. Didn't Jill Stein get like a million dollars from dumb liberals to recount Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania? Gotta respect the grift. I just looked up this John Anderson dude and lmao his signature 1980 campaign plank was a 50-cent gas tax and a corresponding cut on social security taxes
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Mar 14, 2019 14:17
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Charlz Guybon posted:Surely you can make the same amount of money and improve your career prospects if you serve on a campaign like John B. Anderson who got 6.6% in 1980 rather than a campaign like Jill Stein's that got 1%. Jill Stein wasn't a billionaire, though.
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Mar 14, 2019 14:19
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IDK I'm finding Beto's campaign so much more annoying than the rest of the people I think would probably be a worse president than he would...
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Mar 14, 2019 14:46
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People are probably finding Beto annoying because he's a literal empty suit who's running for no reason and on absolutely nothing.
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Mar 14, 2019 14:49
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Cerebral Bore posted:People are probably finding Beto annoying because he's a literal empty suit who's running for no reason and on absolutely nothing. This, and the fact that he was the only person with a shot at taking Cornyn's Senate seat.
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Mar 14, 2019 14:55
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Cerebral Bore posted:People are probably finding Beto annoying because he's a literal empty suit who's running for no reason and on absolutely nothing.
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Mar 14, 2019 14:59
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FlamingLiberal posted:Yes and I also find Schultz irritating for the same reason because literally no one was asking him to run Schultz is worse because he's basically threatening to help Trump get reelected to save a lower tax rate for himself. He's scum.
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Mar 14, 2019 15:01
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Schultz is fine because he will likely pick up votes from GOP types who think Trump is uncouth. Plus he is a great propaganda asset for anti-capitalism.
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Mar 14, 2019 15:04
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The Kingfish posted:Schultz is fine because he will likely pick up votes from GOP types who think Trump is uncouth. Plus he is a great propaganda asset for anti-capitalism. Disagree. The "GOP types who think Trump is uncouth" voted for Trump in 2016 and they will vote for him in 2020.
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Mar 14, 2019 15:06
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mcmagic posted:Disagree. The "GOP types who think Trump is uncouth" voted for Trump in 2016 and they will vote for him in 2020. I think he would take a similar number of GOP voters as he would Democratic voters.
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Mar 14, 2019 15:09
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good news everyone, we have yet another white male conservative democrat entering the race! https://www.desmoinesregister.com/s...owa/3155846002/
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Mar 14, 2019 15:09
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kidkissinger posted:good news everyone, we have yet another white male conservative democrat entering the race! LOL
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Mar 14, 2019 15:17
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The Kingfish posted:This, and the fact that he was the only person with a shot at taking Cornyn's Senate seat. It's so frustrating. Looking at the current state of things and thinking "Achievable historic victory in Texas giving us a shot at the Senate? Nah, I'll be Dem candidate #34567842 for President with no real path to victory." That no one in the Dem leadership could apparently convince him otherwise means he's very, very far up his own rear end.
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Mar 14, 2019 15:17
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mcmagic posted:Schultz is worse because he's basically threatening to help Trump get reelected to save a lower tax rate for himself. He's scum. Yeah at least Beto is running within the confines of our lovely system. Schultz is literally trying to hold the country ransom in order to keep a tax cuts a tiny percentage of the population benefits from. He's a monster.
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Mar 14, 2019 15:22
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Main Paineframe posted:It's noticeable that all of your examples of unity are leftists putting in work to support centrists, and you didn't list a single instance of centrists putting in work to support leftists. Which, unfortunately, more or less mirrors the actual conditions during elections and on the floors of Congress. At the moment, centrist hold much more power and seats, so the data is skewed; there aren’t many examples of a comparable role reversal. I’d point to AOC’s committee seats as one, though. VitalSigns posted:I never said it was their sole base, of course they also had rural support, your frantic googling doesn't refute what I said about fascists having their middle-class base in suburban towns, actually your link supports what I said although curiously your quote didn't include those parts I wonder why Worth noting that from a fundamentally Marxist perspective, the class described here is distinctly different from the suburban voters we’re talking about. Shopkeepers, small business owners, and artisans are, by definition, owners of labor, their own and sometimes others’. By contrast, most people in suburbs are still laborers; white collar ones, sure, and more highly paid, but still fundamentally laboring in service of, and owned by, others, typically a giant corporation. Z. Autobahn fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Mar 14, 2019 |
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Mar 14, 2019 15:27
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https://twitter.com/lyftrs/status/1106196949345202181
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Mar 14, 2019 15:33
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those ankle tanlines 
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Mar 14, 2019 15:36
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Z. Autobahn posted:At the moment, centrist hold much more power and seats, so the data is skewed; there aren’t many examples of a comparable role reversal. I’d point to AOC’s committee seats as one, though. Are we talking about the same AOC whose primary opponent tried to ratfuck gently caress her by clinging to a third-party ballot spot (over the explicit pleading of that party to withdraw so they could endorse her), and the same party leadership that pretends they can't even remember the three words "Green New Deal" in that order? Z. Autobahn posted:Worth noting that from a fundamentally Marxist perspective, the class described here is distinctly different from the suburban voters we’re talking about. Shopkeepers, small business owners, and artisans are, by definition, owners of labor, their own and sometimes others’. By contrast, most people in suburbs are still laborers; white collar ones, sure, and more highly paid, but still fundamentally laboring in service of, and owned by, others, typically a giant corporation. That's true, although the paper Typo posted does discuss the white-collar and upper-class workers who voted Nazi but were less likely to formally join the party, I didn't include it because I didn't want the quote to be too long. The one I cited discusses it as well although you need to register a jstor account to read it. quote:If there is little dispute about the politics of Germany's so-called old Mittelstand, there is rather more about the political identity of the new Mittelstand (white-collar workers). It was once thought that this group (roughly 20 per cent of the German labour force) shared the status anxieties of its older counterpart and their Nazi politics; but there is only limited evidence to support this contention and the voting behaviour of white-collar workers was tar from uniform, with civil servants more likely to register higher levels of support for Hitler than their counterparts within the private sector. There were divisions even within that sector, as sales assistants and supervisory, rather than technical staff were more likely to vote Nazi, while white-collar workers from manual backgrounds and those who lived in the working-class districts of large cities often gave their votes to the SPD. Those people weren't the core but when it came down to it they voted for the Nazis
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Mar 14, 2019 15:37
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scuz posted:those ankle tanlines Don't forget the calves.
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Mar 14, 2019 15:46
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kidkissinger posted:good news everyone, we have yet another white male conservative democrat entering the race! gently caress Seth Moulton. He's an ambitious empty suit who'll destroy anything for power.
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Mar 14, 2019 15:48
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Mar 14, 2019 15:48
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Ahahaha, Seth Moulton is actually going to go through with a Presidential run? Someone find a DSA member to primary his dumb rear end up on the North Shore.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Ahahaha, Seth Moulton is actually going to go through with a Presidential run? Someone find a DSA member to primary his dumb rear end up on the North Shore. Our local DSA doesn't seem particularly well organized unfortunately :[
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