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this place isn't very echo chamber-y, there's a pretty healthy mix of opinions
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josh04 posted:Come now. He lost because he ran out of time. Boo. Booooooooooooooooooooooo
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Detective No. 27 posted:Wasn't the arc reactor from the first movie meant to do that? Nothing in these movies matters. Maybe? I'm just saying Stark and Pym are holding humanity back with their hubris. BrianWilly posted:Don't take this the wrong way, but: maybe take a break from the internet, or at least this forum. "Echo chamber" is the absolute nicest way to describe it. 
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Brother Entropy posted:this place isn't very echo chamber-y, there's a pretty healthy mix of opinions I agree. Wait, poo poo.
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Mar 14, 2019 20:08
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Basebf555 posted:Only thing I never understood about Hans plan is their exit strategy, I mean I get that they were gonna blow the roof as like a big distraction but then what? I'm sure there's a quick line or something that explains it but I don't remember. Hans Gruber: When they touch down, we'll blow the roof, they'll spend a month sifting through rubble, and by the time they figure out what went wrong, we'll be sitting on a beach, earning twenty percent.
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Mar 14, 2019 20:36
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BrianWilly posted:Don't take this the wrong way, but: maybe take a break from the internet, or at least this forum. "Echo chamber" is the absolute nicest way to describe it. You frequently post in BSS, which is every bit as much an echo chamber as CineD. Glass houses and all that Or maybe you mean this forum in general, which isn't really true either, as there's a range of differing opinions across the various subforums McCloud fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Mar 14, 2019 |
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Mar 14, 2019 20:43
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Basebf555 posted:Only thing I never understood about Hans plan is their exit strategy, I mean I get that they were gonna blow the roof as like a big distraction but then what? I'm sure there's a quick line or something that explains it but I don't remember. They had an ambulance stashed in their truck, and were going to escape in it. McCloud posted:You frequently post in BSS, which is every bit as much an echo chamber as CineD. Glass houses and all that Yeah, but BSS is much more in line with the movie buying public. Patrick Spens fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Mar 14, 2019 |
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I said come in! posted:I'm surprised at how many people are excited for End Game all of a sudden. The overwhelming opinion of Infinity War was that it had an incoherent storyline due to Thano's motivations not making any sense. As much as this forum shits on Marvel movies/the popular zeitgeist I also find it to be pretty optimistic about upcoming stuff, in general. The idea that you should wait to judge a movie until you've seen it seems pretty well ingrained here, aside from occasionally talking about a trailer looking boring or complaints about military advertising or whatever, everyone seems to save their real critiques for when the actual movie is released.
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Mar 14, 2019 20:53
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I don’t think anybody in CineD wants marvel to fail, they just want them to take better advantage of the unique power that they wield. The biggest criticism here against the MCU in general is that they don’t try hard enough and settle for mediocrity a lot of the time.
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If you really believe that the general public's main takeaway from Infinity War was that "it had an incoherent storyline due to Thano's motivations not making any sense" then yes, unfortunately you have indeed received an objectively skewed impression of how the film was received by anyone who doesn't post in dead gay forums, and yes specifically in this dead gay forum where that specific argument gained traction since there were few other overt flaws for the usual suspects to bandwagon over. Like are we actually gonna still play about this? Seriously, though? We're really gonna sit here and keep on pretending CD in particular doesn't have a clear bias against Marvel films that doesn't actually reflect how those films are received by the mainstream? That is just about the least contentious thing I could have possibly posted. Rage against the machine however you like, but I beg you to at least have some degree of self-awareness about it.
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Mar 14, 2019 21:14
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BrianWilly posted:If you really believe that the general public's main takeaway from Infinity War was that "it had an incoherent storyline due to Thano's motivations not making any sense" then yes, unfortunately you have indeed received an objectively skewed impression of how the film was received by anyone who doesn't post in dead gay forums, and yes specifically in this dead gay forum where that specific argument gained traction since there were few other overt flaws for the usual suspects to bandwagon over. Was I said come in! even talking about "the general public"?? The last few people have been explicitly talking about the posters ITT who we assumed they were referring to It really really seems like you are trying to start a fight with this and your previous post calling this an "echo chamber" so maybe you're the one who needs to log off for awhile
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having an opinion outside of the mainstream is not a 'clear bias' or evidence of being an echo chamber
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Fart City posted:I don’t think anybody in CineD wants marvel to fail, they just want them to take better advantage of the unique power that they wield. The biggest criticism here against the MCU in general is that they don’t try hard enough and settle for mediocrity a lot of the time. As such a big company, it's not hard to believe they want to play it safe 90% of the time. They have thrown the keys to multi-million dollar properties at relatively obscure or risky unknowns in the filmmaking community though so I would give them props for that.
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BrianWilly posted:since there were few other overt flaws for the usual suspects to bandwagon over. Haha if you say so
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Patrick Spens posted:They had an ambulance stashed in their truck, and were going to escape in it. Fuuuuuck, I knew I was forgetting something. Nice.
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I'd definitely agree that CineD has more posters that are willing to criticize or outright dislike marvel movies than most parts of the internet. However, it wasnt just cined calling infinity war bloated, sloppy, lacking in imagination, lacking stakes, mediocre, etc.
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I want Disney to fail but that's because I loving hate Disney and what they do and how they are So you know
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Burkion posted:I want Disney to fail but that's because I loving hate Disney and what they do and how they are 
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Mar 14, 2019 21:44
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Burkion posted:I want Disney to fail but that's because I loving hate Disney and what they do and how they are “Hey, didn’t Burkion used to be in this photo? Now there’s just an empty space between the people there. Weird.”
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Mar 14, 2019 21:54
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Fart City posted:“Hey, didn’t Burkion used to be in this photo? Now there’s just an empty space between the people there. Weird.” Ever read 3 Fingers by Gene Wolfe?
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RatHat posted:Endgame could be Thanos farting into the camera for 2 hours and people would still go see it. This but unironically
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_of-aUEy5c
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Anyone else think Hawkeye might be a Skrull? It occurred to me that he doesn't really have much of a backstory or anything. To anyone wondering, my question isn't a spoiler of anything.
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Patrick Spens posted:Yeah, but BSS is much more in line with the movie buying public. The people of BSS buy comics, which makes them very atypical indeed.
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BrianWilly posted:If you really believe that the general public's main takeaway from Infinity War was that "it had an incoherent storyline due to Thano's motivations not making any sense" then yes, unfortunately you have indeed received an objectively skewed impression of how the film was received by anyone who doesn't post in dead gay forums, and yes specifically in this dead gay forum where that specific argument gained traction since there were few other overt flaws for the usual suspects to bandwagon over. I mean is the goal here for you to demand sworn testimony from peoples' IRL friends and family about their Infinity War opinions or something? I'm the only SA poster in my social circle and the after-movie conversation at the bar was basically, "uh...what...the gently caress?"
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BrianWilly posted:I beg you to at least have some degree of self-awareness about it.  Maybe folks here don't like MCU movies because they generally aren't that good? You have this bizarre idea that they're disliked just because they got the Marvel logo on them, instead of it being because they follow a (successful) template that's kinda boring
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Guy A. Person posted:Was I said come in! even talking about "the general public"?? They just called it "the overwhelming opinion", which could mean the opinion in this thread, the forums, the continental united states, or the known universe, so it bears clarification.
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Bedshaped posted:As such a big company, it's not hard to believe they want to play it safe 90% of the time. My problem is that I don't actually believe these "risky" filmmakers are actually being allowed to make the film their way and are having shackles put on them. See: Lucrecia Martel who was offered Black Widow but turned it down because they told her "Don't worry about the action scenes, we'll take care of it!", because she wanted to direct the action scenes, because otherwise why make an action movie? Also Edgar Wright walking from Ant-Man and there is no way I believe that Ryan Coogler was the person responsible for Black Panther's climax, I don't care that he was the director. Watch the one-take fight scene in Creed and compare it to anything in BP and there's no way that's the same creative vision, I refuse to believe it.
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I Before E posted:They just called it "the overwhelming opinion", which could mean the opinion in this thread, the forums, the continental united states, or the known universe, so it bears clarification. Yea for sure it does, but I think that clarification should come before the sweeping declaration of bias in CD.
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Bedshaped posted:They have thrown the keys to multi-million dollar properties at relatively obscure or risky unknowns in the filmmaking community though so I would give them props for that. They do this because they don't want auteur filmmakers. MCU films are made by committee and through corporate vision.
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Fart City posted:I don’t think anybody in CineD wants marvel to fail, they just want them to take better advantage of the unique power that they wield. The biggest criticism here against the MCU in general is that they don’t try hard enough and settle for mediocrity a lot of the time. I do want them to fail, I want all Disney movies to make no money tbh.
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LesterGroans posted:I'd like to see him do something that takes off. Spartacus had all the hallmarks of a success other than, you know, normal people giving a poo poo. *runs breathlessly into thread* We talkin' about Spartacus? Spartacus is fuckin' dope. Bedshaped posted:As such a big company, it's not hard to believe they want to play it safe 90% of the time. And then removed all the risks from the process by not letting them do anything risky. They play it safe 100% of the time.
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Directing a marvel movie sounds like a really easy gig, you have the script basically written for you, you direct like one third of the movie, and you probably get paid a lot of money. The hard part of course is doing all the press and pretending you're invested in the movie you barely had a hand in.
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In any case, the reaction to basic criticism isn’t “I made sense of it”, or even “these other people made sense of it (and here is their work)”. It’s “other people who aren’t me, in the abstract, probably didn’t notice that Iron Man 17 didn’t make sense.”
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Detective No. 27 posted:Wasn't the arc reactor from the first movie meant to do that? Nothing in these movies matters. I think when Tony returns to America in IM1 there is a scene where some Stark Inc. scientists are trying to shrink their giant prototype reactor down to the size of the one Tony has and one of the scientists just asks Tony for the secrets of how he did it. Tony gives him a response that is basically “you have to figure it out for yourself. It’s about the journey, not the destination” or some nonsense. In IM2 when Tony has to make an arc reactor that isn’t going to give him cancer he realizes that making the drat things is actually, in fact, really difficult. Then he makes a brand new element in his garage and the arc reactor stuff is never brought up again. I don’t think Tony does a single heroic thing in any movie. He could solve the world’s energy problems but chooses not to ( or the end of capitalism is literally unthinkable for him and the idea of clean limitless energy for all is a thought that cannot occur for him). Also Pym is a huge rear end in a top hat and is entirely responsible for Yellow Jacket because he violated OSHA and never provided PPE for Cross and failed to warn him that unprotected exposure to Pym particles rots your brain and turns you evil. Some hero...
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To be fair Hank Pym didn’t know about the dangerous side effects until he was no longer in a position to actually do anything about it. Tony at least provides free clean energy to New York with a reactor from memory.
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I Before E posted:Directing a marvel movie sounds like a really easy gig, you have the script basically written for you, you direct like one third of the movie, and you probably get paid a lot of money. This would explain why so many of the MCU directors and actors end up saying stupid poo poo in public.
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Lord_Magmar posted:To be fair Hank Pym didn’t know about the dangerous side effects until he was no longer in a position to actually do anything about it. Tony at least provides free clean energy to New York with a reactor from memory. He does, and it's repeatedly mentioned that Stark Industries has been using arc technology to become the world's leading energy production company. That's how they've been staying a megacorp after ditching the weapons industry.
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